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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    As a Horde Druid who joined Night Fae, I just don't understand what the Heart of the Forest is anymore. At this point half of my covenant's base is Night Elves.
    Holy shit. I got it. Heart of the forest. HEART. Jailer is missing a heart. It's his heart! It's his fucking heart! It's been right under our noses this entire time. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    Then you receive quests from Ysera to go to the Maw and save more Night Elf souls. So at this point there are more Night Elves in the Heart than actual Night Fae. All of these elves tell me that, even though I saved them, they still hate me and can't forgive.
    Maybe they hate you cause you are the reason that they were in Maw? Someone burned whole tree with a lot of NE...don't you remember it?
    Already they plot against us.
    Seize this moment, Varian.
    Dismantle the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by qil View Post
    Maybe they hate you cause you are the reason that they were in Maw? Someone burned whole tree with a lot of NE...don't you remember it?
    Why make me save them, then? Why can't I save some Tauren who are also trapped within the Maw are were close with nature? Why specifically save only those who died during that one particular event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    Why make me save them, then? Why can't I save some Tauren who are also trapped within the Maw are were close with nature? Why specifically save only those who died during that one particular event?
    Ask Blizzard about it As for me you should have quests with taurens and others, I should save only NE and others alliance races. Lore in this game is poor. Sylvannas, Anduin are talking about choice, meanwhile we players has 0 choice.
    Already they plot against us.
    Seize this moment, Varian.
    Dismantle the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    It wasn't said. But in the past we didn't strictly know where it was created so there was some plausible deniability. Now that we know that the Helm was made in the Shadowlands, it doesn't really make any sense to claim that it has any big connection to Azeroth. It was just there for a time.


    Well, their connection to the Shadowlands is also a retcon so I don't really know what you're getting at. They used to be "just" a demonic race that is very gifted when it comes to deception and using shadow magic (and shadow magic isn't even remotely tied to the Shadowlands anymore).
    But the rest of the fragments of the helm are still in Azeroth, so i reckon those serve as the connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    It wasn't said. But in the past we didn't strictly know where it was created so there was some plausible deniability. Now that we know that the Helm was made in the Shadowlands, it doesn't really make any sense to claim that it has any big connection to Azeroth. It was just there for a time.
    We always knew it wasn't from Azeroth. It still has a connection to it, though, since it spent nearly all of its existence there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Holy shit. I got it. Heart of the forest. HEART. Jailer is missing a heart. It's his heart! It's his fucking heart! It's been right under our noses this entire time. Wow.
    Unlikely. It's probably just a larger, more powerful version of the hearts of the groves that happens to power the Maw seal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    Why make me save them, then? Why can't I save some Tauren who are also trapped within the Maw are were close with nature? Why specifically save only those who died during that one particular event?
    Did you set Thunderbluff on fire recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    Why make me save them, then? Why can't I save some Tauren who are also trapped within the Maw are were close with nature? Why specifically save only those who died during that one particular event?
    I think I'd rather saved the trolls who slipped through Bwonsamdi's (?) fingers and went through to the Maw. I know he can't save ALL of them, so why not ask for some help?

    I see dead people.... Yes, kinda my ting, ya know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    I think I'd rather saved the trolls who slipped through Bwonsamdi's (?) fingers and went through to the Maw. I know he can't save ALL of them, so why not ask for some help?
    Because the only dead that matter are those from Teldrassil, who cares about e.g. those who died during the siege of Lordaeron.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Because the only dead that matter are those from Teldrassil, who cares about e.g. those who died during the siege of Lordaeron.
    Or, you know, because the quest is being given by Ysera, who's a friend of the Night Elves not the Trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    As a Horde Druid who joined Night Fae, I just don't understand what the Heart of the Forest is anymore. At this point half of my covenant's base is Night Elves.

    Part of the covenant campaign was working with a night elf who hates me, to find a night elf who hates me even more, which ends up with saving night elf souls (other souls don't deserve to be saved i guess?). These souls are taken to Ardenweald, without facing judgement (I'm aware the Arbiter is... not working at the moment. Shouldn't then these souls be placed in Oribos to await their judgement?).

    Then you receive quests from Ysera to go to the Maw and save more Night Elf souls. So at this point there are more Night Elves in the Heart than actual Night Fae. All of these elves tell me that, even though I saved them, they still hate me and can't forgive.

    Winter Queen doesn't even care about this it seems. Ysera seems to be deciding who deserves to be saved and is acting as the Arbiter too. So in short, I'm being told to go save these particular souls, don't care about other souls, witness Night Fae covenant becoming Night Elf covenant, all while continiously being told how terrible I am.
    This is actually hilarious. Plus there is alot of lbgtq+×12 in there to top it off, maybe Ysera is now a man with a female voice. If you are quiet.. you can hear Malfurion voice echoing there. TYRANDE...my love help.

    Thanks for the headups to avoid that place^^

    Jokes aside, this is actually quite sad if you are playing as horde there then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qil View Post
    Maybe they hate you cause you are the reason that they were in Maw? Someone burned whole tree with a lot of NE...don't you remember it?
    How is any of that the player character's fault? It was Sylvanas who did that, not the player.

    And what if you skipped that storyline entirely? Weird to blame someone for something that didn't do. But that's Blizzard's writing, constantly blaming the Horde for everything and glorifying the Alliance. No wonder lots of Horde players quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Or, you know, because the quest is being given by Ysera, who's a friend of the Night Elves not the Trolls.
    Of course they have Ysera as a questgiver, they couldn't come with a more neutral character. NF is pretty much the Nelf & friends covenant, silly me to think it could be any different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qil View Post
    Ask Blizzard about it As for me you should have quests with taurens and others, I should save only NE and others alliance races. Lore in this game is poor. Sylvannas, Anduin are talking about choice, meanwhile we players has 0 choice.
    She is working on it for us as well. Maybe it will be better if she fixed the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Of course they have Ysera as a questgiver, they couldn't come with a more neutral character. NF is pretty much the Nelf & friends covenant, silly me to think it could be any different.
    It's also an optional bonus quest that doesn't really tie into anything, so without Ysera, even having it wouldn't have made any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Shamans using their own powers i can understand, but the elements itself presenting there?
    Shaman's own powers constitute of bonking stuff to head with a stick. Rest is from the elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    As a Horde Druid who joined Night Fae, I just don't understand what the Heart of the Forest is anymore. At this point half of my covenant's base is Night Elves.

    Part of the covenant campaign was working with a night elf who hates me, to find a night elf who hates me even more, which ends up with saving night elf souls (other souls don't deserve to be saved i guess?). These souls are taken to Ardenweald, without facing judgement (I'm aware the Arbiter is... not working at the moment. Shouldn't then these souls be placed in Oribos to await their judgement?).

    Then you receive quests from Ysera to go to the Maw and save more Night Elf souls. So at this point there are more Night Elves in the Heart than actual Night Fae. All of these elves tell me that, even though I saved them, they still hate me and can't forgive.

    Winter Queen doesn't even care about this it seems. Ysera seems to be deciding who deserves to be saved and is acting as the Arbiter too. So in short, I'm being told to go save these particular souls, don't care about other souls, witness Night Fae covenant becoming Night Elf covenant, all while continiously being told how terrible I am.
    Maybe don't do a genocide next time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qil View Post
    Sylvannas, Anduin are talking about choice, meanwhile we players has 0 choice.
    Well that makes Sylvanas right then.

    There never was any free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Shaman's own powers constitute of bonking stuff to head with a stick. Rest is from the elements.
    This. I can understand shaman PCs being able to use their skills in the freaking afterlife as an inevitable concession to game mechanics, but making it canon opens a lot of unnecessary plotholes. Ditto for the portals between Oribos and Org/SW, while we are at it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Shaman's own powers constitute of bonking stuff to head with a stick. Rest is from the elements.
    pretty sure shamans cna use their own inner energy/mana to create magic, even without using elements.

    Thrall used shaman magic against Garrosh in SoO, even without elements due to the dark shamans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    As a Horde Druid who joined Night Fae, I just don't understand what the Heart of the Forest is anymore. At this point half of my covenant's base is Night Elves.

    Part of the covenant campaign was working with a night elf who hates me, to find a night elf who hates me even more, which ends up with saving night elf souls (other souls don't deserve to be saved i guess?). These souls are taken to Ardenweald, without facing judgement (I'm aware the Arbiter is... not working at the moment. Shouldn't then these souls be placed in Oribos to await their judgement?).

    Then you receive quests from Ysera to go to the Maw and save more Night Elf souls. So at this point there are more Night Elves in the Heart than actual Night Fae. All of these elves tell me that, even though I saved them, they still hate me and can't forgive.

    Winter Queen doesn't even care about this it seems. Ysera seems to be deciding who deserves to be saved and is acting as the Arbiter too. So in short, I'm being told to go save these particular souls, don't care about other souls, witness Night Fae covenant becoming Night Elf covenant, all while continiously being told how terrible I am.
    Burn another huge tree full of night elves, I'm in !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tente View Post
    Burn another huge tree full of night elves, I'm in !
    I mean, if the Horde PC is going to be pointed fingers all the damn time from now on because of Teldrassil, we could as well take the cue and burn a couple of additional cities, because why not. The outcome won't be any different, and unlike during MoP/MoP 2.0 BfA, the Horde has no characters of note left, so if they drop the villain bat on Baine/Talanji/Bob or even Green Jesus himself, I don't really care.

    I mean, if we're supposed to be the bad guys, at least acknowledge it properly and stop forcing those lame civil wars cuz of MUH HONORZ.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TickTickTick View Post
    As a Horde Druid who joined Night Fae, I just don't understand what the Heart of the Forest is anymore. At this point half of my covenant's base is Night Elves.

    Part of the covenant campaign was working with a night elf who hates me, to find a night elf who hates me even more, which ends up with saving night elf souls (other souls don't deserve to be saved i guess?). These souls are taken to Ardenweald, without facing judgement (I'm aware the Arbiter is... not working at the moment. Shouldn't then these souls be placed in Oribos to await their judgement?).

    Then you receive quests from Ysera to go to the Maw and save more Night Elf souls. So at this point there are more Night Elves in the Heart than actual Night Fae. All of these elves tell me that, even though I saved them, they still hate me and can't forgive.

    Winter Queen doesn't even care about this it seems. Ysera seems to be deciding who deserves to be saved and is acting as the Arbiter too. So in short, I'm being told to go save these particular souls, don't care about other souls, witness Night Fae covenant becoming Night Elf covenant, all while continiously being told how terrible I am.


    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Of course they have Ysera as a questgiver, they couldn't come with a more neutral character. NF is pretty much the Nelf & friends covenant, silly me to think it could be any different.
    And i had people here constantly antagonizing me, saying "no dude, night fay and ardenwald are totally not night elf shenanigans, they are totally different from night elves and the night elves there are just minor things", so ironic how we end up, i think i will put one warlock there just to piss then off.

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