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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Anduin obviously won't become corrupted. They aren't going to turn one of the most iconic Light users into a Void user. As well, there is no Void presence in the Maw. That place is strictly connected to Death.
    That and flippantly making Anduin go void corrupted because reasons may as well be a boring retread of Arthas' fall from grace.
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    If you equate playing WoW to having electricity, I feel very, very happy for the rest of the world, as that kind of thinking will, inevitably, lead to the eradication of your seed from the gene pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Those guys are very cool, they're like the Ethereals of SL. The best part of the expansion. Also, fuck Naaru.
    They're definitely up to something as well - almost every interaction you have with them, or are witness to them having with others, is suspicious. They're apparently also annoying the staff of Oribos half to death (no pun intended).
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    Seems there's bits and pieces of the Pre-Event floating around, anyone else seen anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Seems there's bits and pieces of the Pre-Event floating around, anyone else seen anything?

    It appears he's a World Boss in the pre-patch event, and is more or less conclusively slain:

    "HUMAN BEINGS MAKE LIFE SO INTERESTING. DO YOU KNOW, THAT IN A UNIVERSE SO FULL OF WONDERS, THEY HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM." - Death, Hogfather

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    Unsurprisingly, Tyrande kills him to show off the Night Warrior powers and mirror the events of Darkshore.


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    can calia die?
    also i doubt he is dead. people thought he was dead before and look what happened.
    the report systems sucks and the mods are bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Zanjin View Post
    can calia die?
    also i doubt he is dead. people thought he was dead before and look what happened.
    Not to mention with tyrande being the one to deliver killing blow, he will be up and running in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    I thought Nathan was the one being bullied by the Farstriders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Zanjin View Post
    can calia die?
    also i doubt he is dead. people thought he was dead before and look what happened.
    He may well be dead, but he's also going to the Maw in death, where Sylvanas and the Jailer have power. So even dead, we may well not have seen the last of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I thought Nathan was the one being bullied by the Farstriders?
    Bob's obviously a bigot.

    No surprises he dies, though a shame that it seems very one note. Nathanos will probably have a cameo in the Maw, but for the amount of screen time put into him it's still anticlimax. And the idea of Calia parading the undead night elves in front of Tyrande and turning her bland as well is cosmic horror at its finest. Everything she touches turns to crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I thought Nathan was the one being bullied by the Farstriders?
    What we know about his time with the Farstriders was mainly from his POV. He might have been an amazing archer, but its possible that him being an asshole and a bully was the real reason why the Farstriders aside from Sylvanas, were against him officially joining.

    Nathanos chosing to live outside the city limits in spite of being officially sworn to defend Silvermoon, sending Horde soldiers to wipe out Helf outposts to retrieve documents on himself, specifically mentioning that he enjoyed ripping out the throats of High Elves while he was Scourge, taunting his nephew before killing him and stealing his body for a ritual, and his disrespect to the player (Champion of the Horde) because his super powerful girlfriend allows him to be, all points to Nathanos being a nasty person in life instead of a victim.

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    So, a small rant: Can we stop having Valeera giving us quests as Horde players?

    I don't understand why the hell she appeared to send us to the pre-patch quest. She got no business in ordering me around as Horde. Have Eitrigg be the quest giver for Horde, he makes more sense giving he still serves in Grommash Hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tincjin View Post
    So, a small rant: Can we stop having Valeera giving us quests as Horde players?

    I don't understand why the hell she appeared to send us to the pre-patch quest. She got no business in ordering me around as Horde. Have Eitrigg be the quest giver for Horde, he makes more sense giving he still serves in Grommash Hold.
    I don't get why Blizz wants to make her prominent Horde figure.

    Her whole point is that as a Blood Elf, she can move DISCREETLY in Horde lands while being loyal friend to Wrynn dynasty and Stormwind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean while bigotry sure is part of it, Sylvanas also abused her position to recruit a foreigner into a national military unit and place them in a position of command. That he is a human and thus much younger than many others of equal rank just adds insult to injury.
    I'm taking the piss, but really, while Nathanos is a dick in undeath I don't see him having the ability to bully anyone in the rangers given his extreme minority status as it'd get him bodied. He did get promoted based on ability not just because Sylvanas decided to implement a simp-only affirmative action program.

    Do you know how many ranger lords exist in this world? How many human ranger lords have ever existed?

    Nathanos' accomplishments were unprecedented. He was a tactical genius, responsible for Alliance victories spanning a decade of conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'm taking the piss, but really, while Nathanos is a dick in undeath I don't see him having the ability to bully anyone in the rangers given his extreme minority status as it'd get him bodied. He did get promoted based on ability not just because Sylvanas decided to implement a boytoy-only affirmative action program.
    Watch them retroactively make them worse than Hitler in life. Actually, Sylvanas was an evil cunt in life as well! And actually, she lost to Arthas on purpose, she'd wanted to become an undead all along and was happy to see her fellow elves die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh I am not saying he did not have the ability or that he bullied anyone. Just that he was a foreigner from a loosely allied state that got recruited and given a commanding position in an elite military organization of a foreign nation. While not particularly enlightened, some animosity against him is more than natural.
    Nah, I don't take any issue with the treatment he received from the elves. It's entirely in keeping with things and it's a shame that all similar prejudices or cautionary attitudes have steadily been removed from even ambiguous characters to be the province only of evil caricatures. The point I'm making is more that Nathanos was the one being targeted by the high elves rather than vice versa and that the idea of him bullying them is preposterous given the power dynamics involved. Hell, the only reason he hung out in his stead instead of in the city is so it wouldn't affect Sylvanas's approval rating and because he got tired of the elves in the city giving him shit.

    @bagina

    Dude got a decent showing in the book, but it was not to last. Sylvanas being the one to corrupt Sargeras is pending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It's in keeping with Sylvanas not really being able to understand how anything affects people other than herself. Even when she was good, she was still a narcissist.
    In the current version, sure. As initially written and more dubiously now, it was part of an outreach program because unlike Kael she was against isolation and wanted closer bonds with Lordaeron.

    For millennia we have isolated ourselves from outsiders. I will be the first among us to admit that mistakes were made in the past. Humans should never have been exposed to magic. I will not deny this but I will not condemn us to this guarded existance[sic] for the blunders of our predecessors. There is much that a coexistance[sic] between the Quel'dorei and other races of the world can bring. We must practice tolerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I still think it would have made far more sense for the Farstriders to train rangers for a Lordaeronian force (e.g. The Eastweald Rangers) and then have them return to serve there. Everyone serves in their own nation's military but they get to have joint experiences and when needed would be far easier to work together (especially for rangers since the most important part of their job is not archery, it's knowing the land). Sylvanas was not really thinking how her choice would affect Nathanos or the Farstriders. She knew what she wanted to do and she did and she got away with it because she was both prodigiously talented and gorgeous. I think that's the part that has always stayed unchanged about her even with the numerous schizophrenic retcons about her; she was always vain, skilled, driven and she could get away with anything. This is not necessarily something that makes you evil; throughout her life after all she made use of her skills for what she believed was the best for Quel'thalas and that included tolerance and stronger alliances. Heck I think it's sad she didn't give Kael a chance cause she would probably have been a vastly better Queen than he ever was a King.
    Both the first and last part I agree on. At the time I think all this was a lot more vaguely delineated in lore, but in a setting where every kingdom is strictly divided by race, having a foreign national who still holds onto that nationality be promoted to what is effectively just below the leader of your armed forces is really dubious. Then again, I do think it was intended to be more than Nathanos, it's just that others either didn't get the cut or didn't have the ability required for the other parts of Quel'thalas to agree to keep them around, especially given the predominantly isolationist mood. This is purely speculation, but I think it checks out.

    The funny thing regarding her and Kael is that they both were actually fairly outside looking, but the perspective is different. Kael went to Dalaran and was into Jaina to escape from a kingdom he felt he wasn't good enough for. Sylvanas wanted to deepen bonds and latched onto Nathanos in part because they contributed to Quel'thalas (and to her). Sylvanas had confidence in what she was doing and who she was that Kael really didn't which is why I don't think the two would have worked out. Her interest in Nathanos was at least in part because of his exceptional ability despite him being a human commoner, whereas Kael was unexceptional and could not assert himself even before Quel'thalas was destroyed despite being a prince. Now whether that means he'd be pussywhipped or sidelined or if she'd mold him into agreeing with her that I can't say. Would be an interesting AU though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    Nathanos chosing to live outside the city limits in spite of being officially sworn to defend Silvermoon, sending Horde soldiers to wipe out Helf outposts to retrieve documents on himself, specifically mentioning that he enjoyed ripping out the throats of High Elves while he was Scourge, taunting his nephew before killing him and stealing his body for a ritual, and his disrespect to the player (Champion of the Horde) because his super powerful girlfriend allows him to be, all points to Nathanos being a nasty person in life instead of a victim.
    I'm thinking that's actually his "columbine moment" after years of getting discriminated by the High Elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Watch them retroactively make them worse than Hitler in life. Actually, Sylvanas was an evil cunt in life as well! And actually, she lost to Arthas on purpose, she'd wanted to become an undead all along and was happy to see her fellow elves die.
    I'm looking for that picture of a book page where Sylvanas sent her Farstriders towards Arthas instead of her quickly assassinating him but I can't find it here; I posted it before

    edit: nvm it's gone URL expired
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Nah, I don't take any issue with the treatment he received from the elves. It's entirely in keeping with things and it's a shame that all similar prejudices or cautionary attitudes have steadily been removed from even ambiguous characters to be the province only of evil caricatures. The point I'm making is more that Nathanos was the one being targeted by the high elves rather than vice versa and that the idea of him bullying them is preposterous given the power dynamics involved. Hell, the only reason he hung out in his stead instead of in the city is so it wouldn't affect Sylvanas's approval rating and because he got tired of the elves in the city giving him shit.
    Considering Nathanos personality in life, I am certain he was quite vindictive, once he had a higher rank than most of his former peers it was payback time and since Lor'themar is racist, he would see a human "bullying" his peers.

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