Corruption - The worst system ever added to the game?

[Kehego]

So you used avoidance and leech in Ny'alotha? Can you confirm this for me? For people below 90% survivability defensive corruption are bis? You had a choice with leggos too. But of course, you had to play legion to know. Last raid in Legion everyone that played Legion had many legendaries to choose from. Start of Ny'alotha? New thing to farm. Got avoidance? BiS for people below 90% surv! You can't make this shit up.

The illusion of choice with corruption is the same as it was for legendaries. You would never ever use avoidance in Ny'alotha as dps. That you imply that you used them just shows how disingenounos you are.

The point I was making is that since survivability is so important that getting avoidance instead of BiS is cool and even the right thing according to you, then you can't say that getting prydaz, some throughput ones, maybe 1 bis etc is worse. If surviving the fight is more important than raw dps, you must have shouted YES when Prydaz or healing pants dropped. Or this just matters when talking about corruption? There is no chance for you to argue out of it, even if you tried just now.

Using avoidance as BM Hunter or Demo lock was it? LOL! Top 2000 guild raiders appearently is not what they used to be.

Defensive corruptions as BM...

BM is actually one of the worst classes defensively, lmao.

You have turtle as a gimmick, then 1 exhilaration and you're pretty much SoL past that. Having an immunity and having good defensives aren't the same thing.

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Funny how I said in one of my posts that corruption is RNG, even despite the vendor ( imo somewhat still RNG before data-mining ).

But yes, getting that IT on my paladin took forever, near the end ( a week somewhat before vendor was released ) I managed to get the RNG gods on my side and roll 3 good pieces with IT1.

don't get me wrong, RNG surely is all part of games with an RPG aspect, it's been like this since 2004.
But personally I'd say corruption is a bad system;

- people in guilds started to focus on their BIS corruption, whereas some got lucky others didn't and got stuck ( which eventually turned out on top as BIS when stacked ) with stat sticks that they've put up in the bank.

- fewer people have common sense & didnt understood the way the punishment worked that resulted in countless wipes in LFR or pugs.

Please stop with comments that indicate the mass should've used the AH;

THAT SAME MASS DOESNT HAVE MILLIONS OF GOLD. Only farmers, gold buyers, gold sellers ( account hackers ) and top end guilds had acces to such amounts of gold.

It was seriously retarded as F to see a 460 shield go for 10M gold just because it had a socket & IS3.
It's almost the same as seeing crafted resistance gear in vanilla for 10k ( not that it ever happened, but you get the idea ).
Surely something powerful comes with a great price, but the inflation caused by corruptions was just.. meh.

I like it how people keep saying that its an excellent system whilst blizzard themselves agreed it was absolutely horrendous to balance ( thus bad ).

With the release of the vendor it was slightly improved, BUT the weekly upgrades were still far FAR behind with a cap of 3, making it very difficult for alts to catch up. Allowing you to be stuck with the same toon ever since launch.

But why do guilds like Limit have all alts on the same level if you say this ?

Well simply because this game is their jobs, like method/echo some high end raiders got payed for playing, then there's streamers etc. Trough sponsorships & donations. Making it hell of a lot easier to play 12-18h a day on multiple toons to keep them in line.

and that's extremely funny because what had actually happened was people who had no idea what they were doing saw people who knew what they were doing and tried to capitalize on other stupid people.

infinite stars on a shield.

yeah.

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I'm not quite sure if your serious or just flat out ignorant here. Before I swapped to my monk, as a healer we rarely struggled with raid dying to eyes, Things from beyond and whatnot, simply because we cared about the system and understood the progress penalties if we'd go higher.

You say you've used defensive corruptions if you'd go below a 90% treshhold, i yonder how many times you've been benched for not being able to bring the numbers required for maut, ra-den & n'zoth.

Then again i believe your post consists out of random called plain BS & that you've either quit along time ago or being one of those LFR heroes ( nothing wrong with either )

Average guilds were killing maut the first week, lol.
Maut was never a dps check

[PenguinChan]

Customization is great, and corruption (if implemented correctly) is a great system. Unfortunately it was clear as day, shortly after release, that it was just another RNG drop fest with time-gating involved with no clear goals in mind. IMO, corruption can and should be used again but Blizzard really needs to hunker down and stop coming up with half-assed mechanics for a single patch.

Corruption can be fun if they implemented the debuffs correctly, and for each class / spec so that the design was more enjoyable and interactive for each one.

[Doffen]

BM is actually one of the worst classes defensively, lmao

Its the spec with most mobility in the game, there is no cast time whatsover. It is ranged, it can dodge everything without a loss and also, so funny it seems(lmao), one of the best defensives with turtle immunity. Avoiding mechanics easily is part of survivability. Why do I get the feeling you are just here trying to score points? One of the worst survivability in game? Lmao indeed.

Its actually the opposite of worst. For me personally the one character I got most total corruption on. Ring? Run out and dps. Add? Run and keep dpsing the boss. Mechanics? BM Hunters laughs at mechanics.

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so you're shifting the goalposts that the items aren't identical.

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No, you actually quoted that I said that you can get corruption that is a dps-loss, and you said no. No corruption is a dps loss you said. Obviously there are, you can of course equip avoidance with worse stats than non corrupted piece with best stat, but what would that be?

A dps loss. So where was the moving of goalpost? When you started saying you would use avoidance anyway. You said something that is not true. A corruption can be a dps loss. If you get a rank 3 avoidance on pants with worse stats than the non-corrupted one, it would be a dps loss to equip it. Or are you denying it? Talk about being deflective.

You write very similar to someone else here. Copying their style?

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Funny how I said in one of my posts that corruption is RNG, even despite the vendor ( imo somewhat still RNG before data-mining ).

But yes, getting that IT on my paladin took forever, near the end ( a week somewhat before vendor was released ) I managed to get the RNG gods on my side and roll 3 good pieces with IT1.

don't get me wrong, RNG surely is all part of games with an RPG aspect, it's been like this since 2004.
But personally I'd say corruption is a bad system;

- people in guilds started to focus on their BIS corruption, whereas some got lucky others didn't and got stuck ( which eventually turned out on top as BIS when stacked ) with stat sticks that they've put up in the bank.

- fewer people have common sense & didnt understood the way the punishment worked that resulted in countless wipes in LFR or pugs.

Please stop with comments that indicate the mass should've used the AH;

THAT SAME MASS DOESNT HAVE MILLIONS OF GOLD. Only farmers, gold buyers, gold sellers ( account hackers ) and top end guilds had acces to such amounts of gold.

It was seriously retarded as F to see a 460 shield go for 10M gold just because it had a socket & IS3.
It's almost the same as seeing crafted resistance gear in vanilla for 10k ( not that it ever happened, but you get the idea ).
Surely something powerful comes with a great price, but the inflation caused by corruptions was just.. meh.

I like it how people keep saying that its an excellent system whilst blizzard themselves agreed it was absolutely horrendous to balance ( thus bad ).

With the release of the vendor it was slightly improved, BUT the weekly upgrades were still far FAR behind with a cap of 3, making it very difficult for alts to catch up. Allowing you to be stuck with the same toon ever since launch.

But why do guilds like Limit have all alts on the same level if you say this ?

Well simply because this game is their jobs, like method/echo some high end raiders got payed for playing, then there's streamers etc. Trough sponsorships & donations. Making it hell of a lot easier to play 12-18h a day on multiple toons to keep them in line.

Whereas the majority and core of the players have lives, jobs & family to look after.

With whatever reasoning people in this thread bring, you won't change my mind, as a father of two, I say this system has been the worst ever since anything was introduced.

Are you replying to the wrong poster? I agree with you 100%, thought that was pretty clear that I think corruption is a bad system. Too much rng and too much unbalance, and they even had to put up a vendor to stop the vocal voices about the horrendous rng.

And yeah, the point about just buying them from the AH is the most stupid argument ever. That should tell us that the system is awful. Just buy bis from AH for a few million gold! Funny thing is, the defenders of the system that brings this argument up is arguing for us who think its a bad system. It's just self-explanatory that this system is bad when thats their argument.

[Velerios]

wait until you see the covenant clown fiesta in live

OMG, ability x makes a bit more damage than ability y. It's ridiculous even to compare these two: Convenant-abilities as i see it right now doesn't make up more than half of your damage as corrupted items too. And even if they do, they are integrated into our classes, instead of being items. And because they are items, it's totally insane that they do more damage than our classes itself: hoping for rng and a proc is far different than using some convenant-abilities.

The system is good compared to many systems we have in live. I rather have convenants than any system we had in BfA: Azerite-Items are far far far far far worse than convenants, and corrupted items are worse than azerite-items.

Still: was it the worst system ever added to the game? Maybe, that something i can't answer yet. Blizzard had so many systems ingame that i'm not totally sure.

Edit: and no, it isn't. Timegating is by far the worst thing they added in the game, after this comes (because it made the game so much worse at the time it was introduced) Valor gear tying to Daily reputations in MoP (actually a timegating too), so all in all it's fricking timegating. That's the worst system they ever added to the game.

[Doffen]

infinite stars on a shield.

yeah.

What are you implying here?

[LanToaster]

They do not compete with damaging traits that are several 1000% dps increase over gemhide or resounding protection. No one would ever gimp themselves like that. They are good traits for where they are, but they only compete with other defensive traits/very little throughput gains, if any.

They cant/dont compete with DPS traits because they are only on the Innermost Ring, which per default is a choice between two defensive Traits. And in my Opionion the Protection one gives overall the best HPS.

[czarek]

I don't think I remember many other things that were as bad as corruption. The funny thing is the closest in 2nd place was added in BFA as well... Azerite armor.

Maybe some close competitors...

Garrison? Hard to say that was bad, it was just that there was no other content to do in the game, as we saw in Legion when it was a supplement to the main content it was fine.

Um... flying? I think its fine now but an argument could be made it shrunk the world.

Phasing/CRZ might be a contender. Practically speaking, some servers were dead, but it also made the world feel less authentic.

Someone help me here.

Both sounds good on paper. But in live they are just bad. Iloved the corruption idea but how they looks and works are just bad.

[Chonar]

No. Next question?

[Specialka]

One of the worst if not the worst one, competing with the rng acquisition of legendaries in Legion.

And they had the guts of adding a rotation on the corruption vendor as if this system was not infuriating enough.

Made me quit the game for several months when I was not looting decent corruptions and other ppl kept getting Echoing Void (when it was busted) etc... So I went from top dps to middle of the pack just because rng.

[Boiled-Lobster]

Its the spec with most mobility in the game, there is no cast time whatsover. It is ranged, it can dodge everything without a loss and also, so funny it seems(lmao), one of the best defensives with turtle immunity. Avoiding mechanics easily is part of survivability. Why do I get the feeling you are just here trying to score points? One of the worst survivability in game? Lmao indeed.

Its actually the opposite of worst. For me personally the one character I got most total corruption on. Ring? Run out and dps. Add? Run and keep dpsing the boss. Mechanics? BM Hunters laughs at mechanics.

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No, you actually quoted that I said that you can get corruption that is a dps-loss, and you said no. No corruption is a dps loss you said. Obviously there are, you can of course equip avoidance with worse stats than non corrupted piece with best stat, but what would that be?

A dps loss. So where was the moving of goalpost? When you started saying you would use avoidance anyway. You said something that is not true. A corruption can be a dps loss. If you get a rank 3 avoidance on pants with worse stats than the non-corrupted one, it would be a dps loss to equip it. Or are you denying it? Talk about being deflective.

You write very similar to someone else here. Copying their style?

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Are you replying to the wrong poster? I agree with you 100%, thought that was pretty clear that I think corruption is a bad system. Too much rng and too much unbalance, and they even had to put up a vendor to stop the vocal voices about the horrendous rng.

And yeah, the point about just buying them from the AH is the most stupid argument ever. That should tell us that the system is awful. Just buy bis from AH for a few million gold! Funny thing is, the defenders of the system that brings this argument up is arguing for us who think its a bad system. It's just self-explanatory that this system is bad when thats their argument.

I think I quoted the wrong person quite indeed, apologies!

[Doffen]

They cant/dont compete with DPS traits because they are only on the Innermost Ring, which per default is a choice between two defensive Traits. And in my Opionion the Protection one gives overall the best HPS.

Yeah, thats what I am saying. And ye, the prydaz effect gives some hps. But nothing for dps indeed.

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I think I quoted the wrong person quite indeed, apologies!

No problem! The points you came with got through anyway ^^

[kaminaris]

I'm not quite sure if your serious or just flat out ignorant here. Before I swapped to my monk, as a healer we rarely struggled with raid dying to eyes, Things from beyond and whatnot, simply because we cared about the system and understood the progress penalties if we'd go higher.

You say you've used defensive corruptions if you'd go below a 90% treshhold, i yonder how many times you've been benched for not being able to bring the numbers required for maut, ra-den & n'zoth.

Then again i believe your post consists out of random called plain BS & that you've either quit along time ago or being one of those LFR heroes ( nothing wrong with either )

Considering I have around 10 or 11 cutting edges you are wrong.

First of all it depends on class and people how much corruption can they can go. Warlocks, hunters, mages (from what i know) have no issues dealing with thing from beyond. Or at least should have not.

If you ever being benched due to dps on maut then your entire raid is really really bad. Raden was a bit tougher but due to balls, not because of damage to boss himself and actually the worst thing there is for healers to keep alive people in last phase. Still wasn't even close to begin a tight fight.

So you have either never been in mythic or your raid group is really really bad or you are in top 10 guilds in the world.

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So you used avoidance and leech in Ny'alotha? Can you confirm this for me? For people below 90% survivability defensive corruption are bis? You had a choice with leggos too. But of course, you had to play legion to know. Last raid in Legion everyone that played Legion had many legendaries to choose from. Start of Ny'alotha? New thing to farm. Got avoidance? BiS for people below 90% surv! You can't make this shit up.

The illusion of choice with corruption is the same as it was for legendaries. You would never ever use avoidance in Ny'alotha as dps. That you imply that you would use them just shows how disingenounos you are.

The point I was making is that since survivability is so important that getting avoidance instead of BiS is cool and even the right thing according to you, then you can't say that getting prydaz, some throughput ones, maybe 1 bis etc is worse. If surviving the fight is more important than raw dps, you must have shouted YES when Prydaz or healing pants dropped. Or this just matters when talking about corruption? There is no chance for you to argue out of it, even if you tried just now.

Using avoidance as BM Hunter or Demo lock was it? LOL! Top 2000 guild raiders appearently is not what they used to be.

Defensive corruptions as BM...

Dude, you have clearly no idea what are you talking about. I played hivemind with 59 corruption as lock simply because i was tanky as fuck and our mediocre healers had no issues whatsoever keeping us alive. For tighter bosses I went with 30-39.

You are absolutely delusional thinking that you could do the same with legiondaries you didn't even have in first place.
Legiondaries were absolute shit system that is 1000x worse than corruption ever was.

You had no choice whatsoever.

And again it shows how little you know about classes because hunters are squishy as fuck compare to locks, especially demo locks.

[Doffen]

Dude, you have clearly no idea what are you talking about. I played hivemind with 59 corruption as lock simply because i was tanky as fuck and our mediocre healers had no issues whatsoever keeping us alive. For tighter bosses I went with 30-39.

Yeah, I have no idea why you argue against yourself again. You could play with 59 as any character on any boss because it's easy to survive in that. You are the one that says avoidance and leech is bis in tight fights. Why the hell would you use defensives that increase your corruption instead of dps ones that increase your corruption? It is counterintuitive. You see that? Really, you see that? Your reasoning is insane.

You are absolutely delusional thinking that you could do the same with legiondaries you didn't even have in first place.

And what if you didn't have the corruption you didn't have in the first place? Stop with the nonsense. It's the same fucking thing. Everyone understands this except 3 players.

Legiondaries were absolute shit system that is 1000x worse than corruption ever was.

1000 times worse when acquisition got more rng with corruptions, you can't make this shit up. Not to mention legendaries did something for your spec. Utility, rotational changes, gameplay changes that were different for each spec. Thats why we get legendaries back in SL but corruption won't happen again. So much back and forth with you, so many counter arguments against yourself. I don't understand why you keep embarrassing yourself like this?

You had no choice whatsoever.

While praising corruption with same issues.

And again it shows how little you know about classes because hunters are squishy as fuck compare to locks, especially demo locks.

First of all it depends on class and people how much corruption can they can go. Warlocks, hunters, mages (from what i know) have no issues dealing with thing from beyond. Or at least should have not.

It's unbelievable how much someone could argue against his own point like you do.

Imagine being a mythic raider and don't understand squishyness is not the only thing that surviveability is about. A BM hunter can be squishy because mechanics is a non-issue for a BM hunter. They don't lose damage at all with moving. ZERO damage lost. You actually have to add stupid insults like that I don't know things about classes because you can't argue. And yeah, demo lock. You said people would use avoidance and leech in tight fights. If you need that as a lock, go back to normal raids. Is that why your lock got benched and you had to go BM?

*Defensive corruption as BM Hunter*
*Defensive corruption is BiS if you got less than 90% surviveability*

Mythic raider saying this. Would love to hear others opinion about your statement about corruption is BiS if you got less than 90% surviveability.

@Boiled-Lobster

Considering I have around 10 or 11 cutting edges you are wrong.

I am sure you already know boiled-lobster, but Kaminaris got those cutting edges because he bought half of them. I got a picture of him doing Argus the Unmaker in a boost run from warcraftlogs, which was called "boost". He also got green/grey logs from them. He also did barely do any bosses in ToS and he got Cutting Edge just before they took it away. In Antorus he got it the week before the BfA pre patch came. I am saying this because he believes that makes him both better and more correct than you, me or anyone he argues with.

He also said he was in a top 200 guild when it currently wasn't even among top 1500. He also said early in 8.3 he had killed half of the bosses, while in reality he had done 3 by then. I got no idea why anyone would lie about this, like it matters. But he is lying about his situation for some reasons I don't understand, I guess it's because he wants his posts to mean more.

[thilicen]

Corruptions are fun if they exist within a restricted section of the game, like the powers in Torghast. When they affect pvp and raid balance they literally ruin the game.

[Boiled-Lobster]

[QUOTE=kaminaris;52533552]Considering I have around 10 or 11 cutting edges you are wrong.

First of all it depends on class and people how much corruption can they can go. Warlocks, hunters, mages (from what i know) have no issues dealing with thing from beyond. Or at least should have not.

If you ever being benched due to dps on maut then your entire raid is really really bad. Raden was a bit tougher but due to balls, not because of damage to boss himself and actually the worst thing there is for healers to keep alive people in last phase. Still wasn't even close to begin a tight fight.

So you have either never been in mythic or your raid group is really really bad or you are in top 10 guilds in the world.

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10 or 11 CE, right. any person who has CE does two things:

1) Doesn't bloat about being a CE raider
2) remember the exact amount of CE he has instead of <insert random number>

for your other points to concern, i'm actually 9/12 down in mythic, though I say we've had some setbacks in forms of raiders, but I don't expect anything less from people with actual family life.

Regarding your other points;

Good, you ran at 59 corruption, if you were a true mythic raider then regardless of wether you can handle it or not, you simply dont bring more than 39 to a raid. mechanics in mythic work in such ways that they are tight, example are the conduits on ra-den mythic, they are scripted, but also so fast paced ( together with the stuff on the floor ) that I find it hilarious ( and thus very doubtful ) that you run in a raid with 59 corruption.

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Ofcourse, as soon as a boss is on farm people tend to bring w/e they prefer to run with.

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I'm not saying you're not a mythic raider, I just find your bloating amusing to read, makes me think of a younger version of myself

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Yeah, I have no idea why you argue against yourself again. You could play with 59 as any character on any boss because it's easy to survive in that. You are the one that says avoidance and leech is bis in tight fights. Why the hell would you use defensives that increase your corruption instead of dps ones that increase your corruption? It is counterintuitive. You see that? Really, you see that? Your reasoning is insane.

And what if you didn't have the corruption you didn't have in the first place? Stop with the nonsense. It's the same fucking thing. Everyone understands this except 3 players.

1000 times worse when acquisition got more rng with corruptions, you can't make this shit up. Not to mention legendaries did something for your spec. Utility, rotational changes, gameplay changes that were different for each spec. Thats why we get legendaries back in SL but corruption won't happen again. So much back and forth with you, so many counter arguments against yourself. I don't understand why you keep embarrassing yourself like this?


While praising corruption with same issues.


Imagine being a mythic raider and don't understand squishyness is not the only thing that surviveability is about. A BM hunter can be squishy because mechanics is a non-issue for a BM hunter. They don't lose damage at all with moving. ZERO damage lost. You actually have to add stupid insults like that I don't know things about classes because you can't argue. And yeah, demo lock. You said people would use avoidance and leech in tight fights. If you need that as a lock, go back to normal raids. Is that why your lock got benched and you had to go BM?

*Defensive corruption as BM Hunter*
*Defensive corruption is BiS if you got less than 90% surviveability*

Mythic raider saying this. Would love to hear others opinion about your statement about corruption is BiS if you got less than 90% surviveability.

@Boiled-Lobster

I am sure you already know boiled-lobster, but Kaminaris got those cutting edges because he bought half of them. I got a picture of him doing Argus the Unmaker in a boost run from warcraftlogs, which was called "boost". He also got green/grey logs from them. He also did barely do any bosses in ToS and he got Cutting Edge just before they took it away. In Antorus he got it the week before the BfA pre patch came. I am saying this because he believes that makes him both better and more correct than you, me or anyone he argues with.

He also said he was in a top 200 guild when it currently wasn't even among top 1500. He also said early in 8.3 he had killed half of the bosses, while in reality he had done 3 by then. I got no idea why anyone would lie about this, like it matters. But he is lying about his situation for some reasons I don't understand, I guess it's because he wants his posts to mean more.

Yea it's exactly what I figured and said to him aswel, I find it rather amusing a person has to bloat about CE, a true CE raider wouldn't do this stuff as it would be an insult to themselves and the guild cequ community they represent

[kaminaris]

It's unbelievable how much someone could argue against his own point like you do.

Imagine being a mythic raider and don't understand squishyness is not the only thing that surviveability is about. A BM hunter can be squishy because mechanics is a non-issue for a BM hunter. They don't lose damage at all with moving. ZERO damage lost. You actually have to add stupid insults like that I don't know things about classes because you can't argue. And yeah, demo lock. You said people would use avoidance and leech in tight fights. If you need that as a lock, go back to normal raids. Is that why your lock got benched and you had to go BM?

I don't plan to read your posts because you are incapable of reading with comprehension.

And again it shows how little you know about classes because hunters are squishy as fuck compare to locks, especially demo locks.

First of all it depends on class and people how much corruption can they can go. Warlocks, hunters, mages (from what i know) have no issues dealing with thing from beyond. Or at least should have not.

Get back to me after you read this at least 20 times.

So I will repeat again:

Corruption wasn't great system but it was 1000x better than legiondaries.

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Yea it's exactly what I figured and said to him aswel, I find it rather amusing a person has to bloat about CE, a true CE raider wouldn't do this stuff as it would be an insult to themselves and the guild cequ community they represent

You didn't figured out anything of this because it's false except for argus - when i stopped playing and went with friend alt runs on last days of expansion where everyone was OP as fuck.

Aside from that I was on most guild first kills since MoP. And xavius was 3rd kill.

You can still check all that stuff out. And unlike doffen I've got nothing to hide because that dude never went mythic in first place since he doesn't even know how to use simcraft.

[Specialka]

I don't plan to read your posts because you are incapable of reading with comprehension.




Get back to me after you read this at least 20 times.

So I will repeat again:

Corruption wasn't great system but it was 1000x better than legiondaries.

Legiondairies were fine as they were. The method to acquire them sucked. A lot.

[kaminaris]

Legiondairies were fine as they were. The method to acquire them sucked. A lot.

Well unfortunately those things aren't separate.

[Specialka]

Well unfortunately those things aren't separate.

yes, it is. Since we are getting them back in SL with a better acquisition method.

[kaminaris]

yes, it is. Since we are getting them back in SL with a better acquisition method.

And that alone makes them craftable orange gear with special effects, not legendaries.