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    Quote Originally Posted by vindicatorx View Post
    Why press the charge? More than likely to teach the dipshit a lesson. He won't get jailed he is already back on the street doing something stupid I'm sure.
    So now we "teach lessons" by threatening criminal charges? Nice one.
    Also, he might be, he might be not, you are just guessing.
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    This thread is a pretty awesome example of people arguing about the dumbest shit possible.

    Also, if it's the law, it's great is a really really really stupid side to be on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Did you somehow not read your own source where you are literally held responsible to pay this debt?
    I mean.....

    Civil judgements are not a guarantee of payment. A judgement simply means that a court has determined that someone owes you money. It is up to you to collect the judgement.

    How much you gonna spend in a attempt to get that money from me?
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    If they are full, it is because of two things.

    1. Not really a prison, more like a boarding home you can not leave.

    2. Not enough of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    If they are full, it is because of two things.

    1. Not really a prison, more like a boarding home you can not leave.

    2. Not enough of them.
    Nah, it's because incarceration in the US is legal slavery and they need to keep the workhouses...sorry, prisons full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So now we "teach lessons" by threatening criminal charges? Nice one.
    Also, he might be, he might be not, you are just guessing.
    As someone who used to work as a booking officer, yeah I'm making an educated guess. I'm fairly sure this guy can come up with the $50 to get a bail bondsman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    If they are full, it is because of two things.

    1. Not really a prison, more like a boarding home you can not leave.

    2. Not enough of them.
    Bro america really needs to teach the history of its prisons. California built more prisons, guess what happened? They filled them up. The system itself is the problem, its slavery in many states. There is money to be made in enslaving people so giving them more money seems like a good way to make the problems worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Bro america really needs to teach the history of its prisons. California built more prisons, guess what happened? They filled them up. The system itself is the problem, its slavery in many states. There is money to be made in enslaving people so giving them more money seems like a good way to make the problems worse.
    Ghostpanther does not think that is a problem. They view it as a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    So I'm free to come do donuts in your front lawn?
    As long as you are willing to pay to have the damage replaced.

    I never said that he should not be responsible for the damages. I agree. I disagree with having to serve a 5-year jail sentence for a few black marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    As long as you are willing to pay to have the damage replaced.

    I never said that he should not be responsible for the damages. I agree. I disagree with having to serve a 5-year jail sentence for a few black marks.
    And how are you going to get that money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    And how are you going to get that money?
    if you don't make payments willingly, wage garnishment IS a thing that exists and can be done. and before you say something something, I don't put my paycheck in a bank, there are many MANY ways. some of those ways as unfair as it is - can involve taking that money from your family if you yourself refuse to pay. and if all else fails? well.. you can just work it off at a mandated location/worksite.

    jail can be a last resort. it should NOT however be a first resort for property damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    if you don't make payments willingly, wage garnishment IS a thing that exists and can be done. and before you say something something, I don't put my paycheck in a bank, there are many MANY ways. some of those ways as unfair as it is - can involve taking that money from your family if you yourself refuse to pay. and if all else fails? well.. you can just work it off at a mandated location/worksite.

    jail can be a last resort. it should NOT however be a first resort for property damage.
    OK then we are back to. How much are you willing to pay to get that money?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The reasons they’re full is we have a for profit prison system that pays judges to make sure they stay packed.
    We got a similar system in Ireland, minus the Prisons -- nicknamed the Revolving Door system, Judges and Lawyers get fat off consistent serial criminal defendants, even violent ones, handing out suspended sentences with minimal jail time... not uncommon to have people with 300-500+ convictions walking the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    And how are you going to get that money?
    Do I really need to tell you? I think I just need to block you. You really are offering nothing to the conversation anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Do I really need to tell you? I think I just need to block you. You really are offering nothing to the conversation anymore.
    You do whatever you fell like you need to.


    No you don't need to tell me cause the fact is, when it comes to civil claims you may NEVER get your money.
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    Just curious, I know it seems a bit much, doing donuts in a car = 1 to 5 years. But he was in a public parking lot, what if he hit someone, what if he killed a kid that was walking through there and he didn't seem them. Would that be ok? I mean people talk about how dangerous guns are even having one in your car if you don't have the right for it is a large fine and jail. Just waving one around in public can get you arrested and jailed.

    Are people saying that cars are not dangerous? That doing something stupid like this in a public place where you could kill some one, just like waving a gun, should somehow be considered less important?

    Like I said just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    Just curious, I know it seems a bit much, doing donuts in a car = 1 to 5 years. But he was in a public parking lot, what if he hit someone, what if he killed a kid that was walking through there and he didn't seem them. Would that be ok? I mean people talk about how dangerous guns are even having one in your car if you don't have the right for it is a large fine and jail. Just waving one around in public can get you arrested and jailed.

    Are people saying that cars are not dangerous? That doing something stupid like this in a public place where you could kill some one, just like waving a gun, should somehow be considered less important?

    Like I said just curious.
    If we applied what if's to all sentences you could imprison most of car drivers for speeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    OK then we are back to. How much are you willing to pay to get that money?



    https://www.quora.com/What-happens-i...ivil-judgement
    Collection attorneys specialize in creditor rights. The thing many Plaintiffs don’t understand about winning their case is that it is their responsibility to collect on the judgement, the court will not do it for you.

    In Florida small claims cases, there is a document called a “Fact Information Sheet” the Plaintiff may ask the judge to order the Defendant to fill out. I have also served Subpoenas in Aid of Execution on banks and individuals for specific information about assets and bank accounts found in asset searches and provided in information forms.

    There are many ways these assets can be used to enforce the judgement. I have had Clients request an asset search seeking a Writ of Execution or Replevin to seize assets owned by the debtor including motor vehicles, boats, recreational vehicles, real property, etc. The Sheriff can seize these assets and force a Sheriff’s sale with a portion of the proceeds going to the Creditor.

    The creditor may have a private investigator locate the defendant’s bank accounts and have a process server issue and serve a Writ of Garnishment against the funds in the account. Bank account searches are costly and strict Federal Laws protect the privacy of financial institutions. Although you may find bank account searches advertised online, there are few investigators with the talent, resources, and connections to actually produce usable results lawfully.

    If the Defendant has not property or bank accounts with funds sufficient to cover the judgement, the Plaintiff often seeks a Continuing Writ of Garnishment against salary or wages. This is served on the defendant’s employer and a court ordered amount is withheld from the defendant’s bank account each pay period.


    from your link above. and btw, the costs? are ALSO being garnished from you. so.. how much extra are YOU willing to lose?

    and this is just using current laws, assuming its going to have to be a civil suit. what we are arguing here that while something like this should NOT automatically result in jail... it doesn't mean there should be no repercussions.
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    It is nice to hear that the USA follow their rules for prisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    Just curious, I know it seems a bit much, doing donuts in a car = 1 to 5 years. But he was in a public parking lot, what if he hit someone, what if he killed a kid that was walking through there and he didn't seem them. Would that be ok? I mean people talk about how dangerous guns are even having one in your car if you don't have the right for it is a large fine and jail. Just waving one around in public can get you arrested and jailed.

    Are people saying that cars are not dangerous? That doing something stupid like this in a public place where you could kill some one, just like waving a gun, should somehow be considered less important?

    Like I said just curious.
    Because we have laws that account for if he ran over a kid (such as manslaughter), specifically so the law currently being applied doesn't need to account for it? The recklessness of an act is really only likely if there was a realistic chance of some third party being hit (i.e he did it in a crowded place)

    Beyond that judge's have the power to and indeed generally must account for general and specific deterrence when sentencing. The general there being that the sentencing has an element that acts as a deterrent for the public.

    Finally, gun's are weapons so the context is different, cars are probably more dangerous then guns due to their prevalence but their primary purpose isn't lethal propulsion.
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