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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    Said no one...
    I did see people saying C'Thun would be harder with the whole 16 debuff stuff yada yada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    I did see people saying C'Thun would be harder with the whole 16 debuff stuff yada yada.
    Yeah, they said the next raid will take long to kill. Since MC...

    But just wait, Naxxramas will takes weeks to clear!


    No no, Maggy will takes ages to kill!!


    No wait, Vashj will give us hell!


    Hang on, I did mean Illidan will beat us down for weeks!!




    Sorry, we meant KJ mythic will take a week at least!






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    Last edited by Doffen; 2020-08-05 at 05:31 AM.
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    It'll be hard this time guy I swear!! This one was made for 16 debuff slots it will day days at least, I promise!!
    none said that. And if you read that somewhere, it's in the context of casual average guilds
    edit: And also in the comparison between tiers. BWL is too easy with 1.12 patch. It's expected that AQ40 is harder than BWL. And both are easy.
    Last edited by ntlntl; 2020-08-05 at 05:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntlntl View Post
    none said that. And if you read that somewhere, it's in the context of casual average guilds
    People actually said this for top guilds too though. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but people said that for AQ, and for the other classic raids released too.
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    To the Classic fans saying vanilla was harder and better. It was not harder, you were just bad. It was more grindy, I'll give you that. As for being better, the game is not progressive and people have a better understanding of WoW now.

    There will be people saying, "because it's not true to vanilla". Really? Ask yourself deep down, really? No, the game is a cake walk and the hardest thing in vanilla was getting to level cap and now people are smarter with the genre.

    Classic was a waste of time, effort and resources. Blizz should let go of all classic developers and pay their staff more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeuhe4yxzhds View Post
    Just ran The Eternal Palace on mythic, was piss easy. Dont see what was so hard for method that they couldn't kill it on first try, we did it. I guess they're just bad
    What a silly response. You did Mythic EP after Nerfs and over 12 months of it being released? GG!

    Did you have gear between 430 and 440? That's the kinda gear they did it in. Did you do it before all the nerfs?

    When will classic fans come to reality. Vanilla was bad and players were terrible. MMOs have changed so much in 16 years. Classic will never be hard, ot will be forever boring and unnecessarily tedious to level with though.

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    Congrats to those who’ve killed C’Thun in Classic!
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    Dunno why some people got such a boner to be just a lowly peon-adventurer.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Josyel View Post
    Because before Classic was released people saying that Classic raid was ultra hard were in every single thread. So we gotta remember how ignorant and biased those people were. Its fun to be proven right and shove it in your face.
    So true. Would vote your last sentence for the best sentence written in 2020 if I could.
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  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    So true. Would vote your last sentence for the best sentence written in 2020 if I could.
    At the time they came out, each classic raid was very difficult. Naxx for example was fully cleared by less than 1% of the player base. Nowadays it's not so bad because everyone knows the strats, how to gear up properly for the raids, and the game is much better understood. Back then there was a lot of unknown stuff though.

    On the flip side, 15 years from now blizzard probably wouldn't be re-releasing a BFA server lol. But for the sake of argument, let's say that they do. The game would be a lot easier for the many of the same reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    At the time they came out, each classic raid was very difficult. Naxx for example was fully cleared by less than 1% of the player base. Nowadays it's not so bad because everyone knows the strats, how to gear up properly for the raids, and the game is much better understood. Back then there was a lot of unknown stuff though.

    On the flip side, 15 years from now blizzard probably wouldn't be re-releasing a BFA server lol. But for the sake of argument, let's say that they do. The game would be a lot easier for the many of the same reasons.
    It really wouldn't be. All the information you say we'd have in 15 years we have now. There are dozens of videos explaining exactly how to play your class exactly how to kill each boss. There are hundreds if not thousands of live streams of kills of every boss from every PoV. Even cutting edge RtWF progress is streamed now you can watch them build starts and break down second by second exactly what they do if you want to.

    If they releases Crucible of Storms again in 10 years it would still not be cleared by the majority of people that tried it. Especially not in the gear it was designed for. Modern raids are far more mechanically challenging, modern classes are far more mechanically challenging. Modern wow is just a much harder game that wow used to be.

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    I mean, those guys already have practices in private for long time and of course it’s getting killed in day one. What’s next? Naxx 40 man cleared in day one? “Shocking”...
    Last edited by trapmaster; 2020-08-05 at 09:54 PM.

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    Imagine not killing C'Thun the first day after 15 years of experience in multiple pservers, on a nerfed version of Vanilla and with a full T2 raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    give it a rest.
    Nope, expect a thread like this for every single tier in vanilla and BC and Wrath if they release Wrath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    It really wouldn't be. All the information you say we'd have in 15 years we have now. There are dozens of videos explaining exactly how to play your class exactly how to kill each boss. There are hundreds if not thousands of live streams of kills of every boss from every PoV. Even cutting edge RtWF progress is streamed now you can watch them build starts and break down second by second exactly what they do if you want to.

    If they releases Crucible of Storms again in 10 years it would still not be cleared by the majority of people that tried it. Especially not in the gear it was designed for. Modern raids are far more mechanically challenging, modern classes are far more mechanically challenging. Modern wow is just a much harder game that wow used to be.
    Nah, if people had ample private servers to do the raids on as much as they like before it was released, it wouldn't be as difficult. Simply figure out which dps classes are the flavor of the month, stack your raid with them. I did a bit of the hardcore raiding back in MoP, if Siege of Orgimmar or Throne of Thunder was released the exact same way, with the same gear and everything, I could clear it way faster than the first time I did it lol. Not sure how this is even a debatable matter.

    It goes beyond just having videos out telling you what to do, but rather people already have first hand experience with the fights they are doing, in some cases years of experience.

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    Everything before Yogg Saron was a pushover, and Cataclysm was the first expansion where raiding was actually hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Yeah, they said the next raid will take long to kill. Since MC...

    But just wait, Naxxramas will takes weeks to clear!


    No no, Maggy will takes ages to kill!!


    No wait, Vashj will give us hell!


    Hang on, I did mean Illidan will beat us down for weeks!!




    Sorry, we meant KJ mythic will take a week at least!






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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitros14 View Post
    Would you be excited about killing a boss you've already killed 200 times?
    Well, in this case it was about getting the first kill on the official Classic servers. Why do it then and invest the time (and I bet in some cases real money) if it bores people endlessly?

    Meh...guess I would have to ask them

    Was the guild who got MC cleared within 4 days after release also bored?

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Josyel View Post
    Because before Classic was released people saying that Classic raid was ultra hard were in every single thread. So we gotta remember how ignorant and biased those people were. Its fun to be proven right and shove it in your face.
    No one cares. Just to be clear, I wasn’t one of those people, and yes , they were wrong. They were also the minority, and it’s far stupider to endlessly harp on it.

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    Well, i don't think anyone expected anything different.
    Vanilla was easy in general, even in endgame content. World first guild that stacks 6 world buffs and prepares months in advance with full knowledge is not a metric of the content being hard or easy. Regular guilds will struggle to get through this raid, just as a lot of guilds struggled to get past BWL.

    Really hard raids and dungeons weren't a thing in WoW until TBC. TBC saw the first difficult raid instances, especially Sunwell Plateau. That one could give those guilds some trouble, even with knowledge and preparedness. By that point WoW players doing high end content were rather good (opposed to Vanilla where almost everyone was a noob).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    Nah, if people had ample private servers to do the raids on as much as they like before it was released, it wouldn't be as difficult. Simply figure out which dps classes are the flavor of the month, stack your raid with them. I did a bit of the hardcore raiding back in MoP, if Siege of Orgimmar or Throne of Thunder was released the exact same way, with the same gear and everything, I could clear it way faster than the first time I did it lol. Not sure how this is even a debatable matter.

    It goes beyond just having videos out telling you what to do, but rather people already have first hand experience with the fights they are doing, in some cases years of experience.

    Of course the people who already did it could do it again but that isn't what's happening in classic. People who never touched vanilla are easily clearing raids in classic. I assure you I could take my scuffed mythic raid team and we would smash classic raids without an issue. Classic raids and classic classes are just mechanically much simpler than they are in retail WoW its not really debatable. Compare the rotation of any retail class to their classic counterpart. Compare the mechanic list of any raid boss is Classic to Mythic Azshara.

    Classic is logistically difficult. You have to organize large groups, there is much more limited gear, and everything takes more time. 4 horseman wasn't hard because of mechanics it was hard because you "needed" (we'll see if you still do) 8 tanks. If you took a cutting edge guild from retail I assure you they could kill every bit of content in classic I very much doubt the same is true the other way.

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