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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardoc View Post
    Oh I see. That's why you think WotLK classes weren't complex. Because you are reading PVE guides. If you want to compare class design complexity, you have to compare them in PVP. PVE is always easy, you just do your rotation and that's it, it does not matter if it is one button or five. Only in PVP you have to use your whole toolkit and react to your opponent moves.
    nice opinion you have there. Its a shame you can't tell the difference between that and fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    The poster I quoted seemed to imply that we are in fact moving forward. But I might be wrong /shrug
    Not really. /shrug

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    I can imagine the rivers of tears from Ret players... OMG MUH DMG SUX WTF BLIZZ FIX NAO, while conveniently forgetting that they had the some of the strongest utility in the entire game.
    The damage can't be any worse than ret on live (comparatively... obviously).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blupparen View Post
    I really liked combat rogue and hunter during lich king so I wouldn't mind. I'm not sure it was the best iteration of the classes though.
    hunter had 3 ranged specs, that alone makes it better than hunter in the last 4 years.

  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by arucado3 View Post
    go back to 3.3.5a classes? I feel like they were incredibly fun to play. Im not saying i want to replay wotlk content tho, just wish the classes in current retail were kinda like they were back then, most of them now feel pretty dull and boring.
    Yes, i want my Spellpower/spirit support class demo lock back.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Nope, current ones are better. You might have some case of nostalgia.

    Also fix that title, doesn't tell you a thing.
    lmao nice joke.. classes were WAY better in wrath, it's not even close

  4. #104
    Short and simple YES!

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Mardux View Post
    nice opinion you have there. Its a shame you can't tell the difference between that and fact.
    So tell me how exactly is it more complex to do optimal PVE rotation against scripted target then reacting to a unpredictable (to some degree) human being.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Bolsheviks were amazing too.
    There is nothing fascist about antifa, you do not know the meaning of the word.
    100 milion dead people, so amazing.

  6. #106
    People have such nostalgia for wrath, if you think BFA gameplay is shallow then jesus.

    MoP is peak wow class design - there was a healthy mix of complex specs and simple ones, snapshotting - no GCD, it was amazing. F

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Yes, i want my Spellpower/spirit support class demo lock back.
    I didn't have fun with any class this expansion. This is probably because I quit before we had all the borrowed power since classes were made somewhat fun by them. Which is an issue because classes should be fun by themselves, not just at the end of an expansion. That was my experience with the classes this expansion.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by arucado3 View Post
    go back to 3.3.5a classes? I feel like they were incredibly fun to play. Im not saying i want to replay wotlk content tho, just wish the classes in current retail were kinda like they were back then, most of them now feel pretty dull and boring.
    Yeah, I want. It was last time, when playing as healer was fun due to feedback from using abilities, i.e. seeing real impact, not just joke numbers, that couldn't be seen visually. But in PVE only. As Paladins were Gods back then and Shamans were complete shit.

  9. #109
    Oh yes, gimme that chain heal spam resto shaman gameplay, SO ENGAGING!!!

  10. #110
    Yes, only for Frost Dk though. I miss 100% ArP Obliterates literally obliterating everything I looked at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiev View Post
    I didn't have fun with any class this expansion. This is probably because I quit before we had all the borrowed power since classes were made somewhat fun by them. Which is an issue because classes should be fun by themselves, not just at the end of an expansion. That was my experience with the classes this expansion.
    wrong person... i think...

  12. #112
    I miss WotLK Ranged Survival and Ele/Resto Sham so much.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by arucado3 View Post
    go back to 3.3.5a classes? I feel like they were incredibly fun to play. Im not saying i want to replay wotlk content tho, just wish the classes in current retail were kinda like they were back then, most of them now feel pretty dull and boring.
    hell no lol fury was annoying as hell to play back then with rend stance dancing lol

  14. #114
    It's a funny question to ask a forum where 95% of posters haven't played since 3.3.5 and many didn't play more then 2-3 specs. I think most people would be surprised to see the complexity of playing 3.3.5 Specs trying to maximize their potential. Enhance and Frost DK specs are much more difficult to play maximizing dps in 3.3.5 then retail.

  15. #115
    Helllllll yes, I could have my ranged Survival hunter back.... (and have a reason to resub) *mana on them didn't bother me.

    Mop classes would work out too.

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    Do i want to roll an ARP stacked blood DK again? doing 5-7k dps with Naxx quality gear? absolutely

  17. #117
    Honestly think MoP was my favorite for class design. Legion did have some good class design though as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    The poster I quoted seemed to imply that we are in fact moving forward. But I might be wrong /shrug
    I'm not It used to be going from Vanilla -> TBC -> WotLK, etc abilities were actually new and exciting stuff. Nothing has changed really for years except temporary expansion-only (defining? /shrug) powers and abilities. The base hasn't really evolved much since those first 10 or so years. That's all I meant. Hadn't had my coffee when I posted originally. Sorry!

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    "Borrowed power" hurr durr! Talk about the new buzzphrase when the game always had it.
    What is really bad is how this borrowed power is time gated and toxic people pay to win and Ion bad with game dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    Oh yes, gimme that chain heal spam resto shaman gameplay, SO ENGAGING!!!
    Things haven't changed a lot in that regard, just saying...
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    we created a story structure for Sylvanas that, on the surface, echoed many broad strokes of the road Garrosh took (...). These parallels were intentional. But it's within the nuance that we sought to show the story grow and change.
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    BFA was about as nuanced as a golf club to the testicles/ovaries.

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