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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Pohut View Post
    Yeah, I remember people doing similar calculations in MC and proving using "math" on how impossible it was going to be. In the end it turned out that their numbers were wrong, abilities/timers were wrong, dps estimates were wrong, and the bosses just fell over.
    It is happening again and it is going to be just as embarrassing.
    Anyone who thought Molten Core or Blackwing Lair would be hard was delusional.

    Naxxramas isn't quite the same thing. I have no doubt guilds who put in a lot of effort will steamroll it but I mean if you look at warcraftlogs the average guild just isn't that great.

    The clear rate for Ahn'qiraj is still only 53%, and you can't skip the Viscidus-like bosses of Naxxramas.
    Last edited by Nitros14; 2020-09-05 at 12:26 AM.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitros14 View Post
    Anyone who thought Molten Core or Blackwing Lair would be hard was delusional.

    Naxxramas isn't quite the same thing. I have no doubt guilds who put in a lot of effort will steamroll it but I mean if you look at warcraftlogs the average guild just isn't that great.

    The clear rate for Ahn'qiraj is still only 53%, and you can't skip the Viscidus-like bosses of Naxxramas.
    Yea, AQ40 is the first relatively hard raid in Classic. Naxxramas is another step up from that. Yet it's still way easier than most retail M+ raid content.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    Equip NR gear, Coldrage daggers with frost oil, frost wands, use 30+ sappers on the first wave of blobs, pop 1 GNPP before fight and 1 after the first one is gone.. And the fight is impossible to wipe.
    I don't recall our exact comp, but there was almost zero difference in time to freeze when we started having warriors/rogues/hunters sit out till 2/3 freeze.

    We have to do this though cause we only have like 12 eng's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pohut View Post
    What are you even talking about? 80% of Classic guilds cleared AQ within the first week. Are you telling me that 80% of Classic guilds are hardcore?
    I don't feel like digging through WCL right now, but I HIGHLY doubt 80% of guilds full cleared the first week.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    I don't feel like digging through WCL right now, but I HIGHLY doubt 80% of guilds full cleared the first week.
    I don't know if you have paid any attention to the thread but players who've never heard of AQ40 were waltzing in with no voice comms or prior experience or knowledge and steamrolling C'thun. It really happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
    Seriously guys, this forum would be a better place if everyone just stopped acknowledging Zenkai. It's just demeaning to everyone.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    I don't feel like digging through WCL right now, but I HIGHLY doubt 80% of guilds full cleared the first week.
    Yea, that's just BS. Not even close to 80% of guilds has even done full clear yet, let alone done it the first week.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Jurwi View Post
    Yea, that's just BS. Not even close to 80% of guilds has even done full clear yet, let alone done it the first week.
    Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

    Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.

  7. #247
    By classic standards yes... as quite a few have basic pass fail checks when it comes to wipes. I would say it will roughly be on par with heroic on live. Horseman might be a issue since you need so many geared tanks/offtanks

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Pohut View Post
    Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

    Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.
    "It's actually more like 85% down to ~80%." Those calculations? Damn. Guess I can't deny obvious facts!

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by goldlock View Post
    By classic standards yes... as quite a few have basic pass fail checks when it comes to wipes. I would say it will roughly be on par with heroic on live. Horseman might be a issue since you need so many geared tanks/offtanks
    LFR - its on par with LFR - harder bosses comparable to the simple tank n spank normal bosses.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    LFR - its on par with LFR - harder bosses comparable to the simple tank n spank normal bosses.
    LFR without determination and I would agree.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Pohut View Post
    Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

    Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.
    That's the number that's cleared C'thun. 9/9 is cleared. A few days ago the number of guilds 9/9 was 53%.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    That's just being misinformed.

    AQ which is overall easier than Naxxramas hasn't been full cleared (9/9) by the average, few hours per week guilds. And you expect Naxxramas which is harder, and has nearly twice as many bosses, and vastly more trash to be done in 5h?

    Yea, you're spot on. /s
    Your right. It'll prob take a couple of nights for those shit guilds if AQ40 is any indication. So prob 6 hours. Naxx is on par with LFR on retail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizah View Post
    why so mad bro

  13. #253
    Let's use 4 Horsemen as an example, in Vanilla beside from the tactical approach, all top-end guilds struggled to kill them originally before the 100th mark, which caused a hard-wipe.

    On pServers, the top guilds killed it before mark 50 on their first kill, due to very poor tuning.

    Which basicly tells us that enrage timers in Vanilla naxx was tuned so much more around the current gear than on pServers.
    When comparing the current Classic raids then to the pServer versions, I'd guess the 4 Horsemen dies on mark 30something.

    So If the boss will be hard or not in the Classic-TBC, all depends wether it is tuned as poorly as it was on pServers, as badly as current raids in Classic.
    Or if we get the original Vanilla tuned instance.

  14. #254
    for the normal good raider it will not be easy.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by epLe View Post

    So If the boss will be hard or not in the Classic-TBC, all depends wether it is tuned as poorly as it was on pServers, as badly as current raids in Classic.
    Or if we get the original Vanilla tuned instance.
    Tuned badly = Classic raids are tuned how they were in 1.12.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Equoowe View Post
    Tuned badly = Classic raids are tuned how they were in 1.12.
    This 1.12 problem is a huge part of it for sure, just is misleading as most of the changes happened during other patches.
    Each raid should have been tuned to feel like they did at their original patch(enrage timers, dps output, etc), not 1.12 version for them all.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusken View Post
    It's all about preparation for the most part. Resist gear is something most raiders are already starting to think about, +21 Frost Resist rings are about 150-200g on my server. 4 Horsemen is cheesed with the ZG spell hit Trinket that serious guilds farmed for all their DPS warriors and the min-max nature of Classic already destroys the DPS requirements for Patchwerk and Loatheb.

    The hardest ones for the "average" guild will be Heigen and Thaddius where the mechanics are oneshots if you mess them up. Heigen's dance is a lot more dangerous than it was in the Wrath version and Thaddius requires all 40 to be paying attention and positioned perfectly. Sapphiron will mess up anyone who tries to brute force her with no resist gear.

    Unsure on Razuvious, if an MC misses it can mean wipe so best hope your priests have their hit gear. Gothik, Grobulus, the Spider Wing and KT will be pushovers.
    The bosses and raid will be cleared in 1:30 Classic is a meme, its not hard. Nothing in classic is challenging its a joke

  18. #258
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    Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.
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  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.
    You trying to tell me that in the age of every mouthbreather min maxing the shit out of their char dps check like Patchwerk is gonna be an issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.
    A ton of guilds had the dps requirements to kill Patchwerk at the start of BWL. I really don't think he will pose any relevant challenge with ppl decked out in BWL/AQ40 gear.

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