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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I said it already that Patchwerk isn't the type of boss you want to downrank, hence "rank or two lower" doesn't count.

    If your Tank gets 7-9k damage incoming and need to be back up ~3 seconds afterwards, you can't start spamming lower rank heals.


    There you go, spam lower rank heals and drink mana pots or use rune / whatever. This is without any world buffs.
    Dps check is so low you can literally bring more healers just to spam heal tanks. With better dps you don't even have to drink anything.

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    If anything, Patchwerk will be trivial. I expect 4HM, Loatheb, Sapph and KT pose some kind of challenge.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by mmocfd1b0ab5a3 View Post
    There you go, spam lower rank heals and drink mana pots or use rune / whatever. This is without any world buffs.
    You post me a video where a guy uses a mana consumable 20 seconds (and a Manapot about 1:15) into the fight to disprove my point.
    ...what?

    I said in my very first post: This only is possible if you use Consumables and the guy also has Mageblood & Mana Oil running.

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    4Horseman because it'll test how organized the God Gamer's are, rather than testing their character's gear and buffs. If the healers are pepega and don't know where to put themselves, you're gonna have trickle wipes. If the healers never used cooldowns (throughput trinkets) before and are assigned to the fire tanks, that's GG. What I'm trying to say is, you can't have carries or you're gonna have a bad time.

    Same with KT really. KT will expose those guilds who have Fury warriors who rip threat all the time and are always on thin ice for threat problems, KT just spams aggro dumps. Basically, anyone who can't comprehend the words "stop dps" are gonna have a really bad time on KT. Healers have to actually be awake for that fight, they can't just stare at the raid frames, no carries.

    Can't have carries on either of those fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    I mean there was a reason why only 1% of the playerbase ever saw naxx back in the day
    AFAIK it's because no one had 8 tanks back then. Our guild stopped because by the time we finished AQ40, it was too close to TBC launch. No one wanted to go collab with 2 other guilds just to meet the tank requirements (we already have to pilfer other guilds dps to down Twin Emps).
    One thing people often forget to mention is that back then the player populations were WAY smaller, I played on medium server, that's basically a ghost town for today's standards. Factor in barely anyone played a tank and a lot of the tank players were burnt tf out and yeah, not a good situation for raiding guilds.
    Last edited by msdos; 2020-10-04 at 11:30 PM.

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    You post me a video where a guy uses a mana consumable 20 seconds (and a Manapot about 1:15) into the fight to disprove my point.
    ...what?

    I said in my very first post: This only is possible if you use Consumables and the guy also has Mageblood & Mana Oil running.
    Well... healers have been using mana potions from Molten Core to Nyalotha, thats 16 years.

    Using mana potions have been no brainer in every raid tier in WoW history so I didnt think I would have to mention that separately.

    My original point was if anyone wants to defeat Patchwerk healing won't be an issues since you can just spam heals on tank like in the video. Your healers suck? Then bring 3-5 more healers since DPS check won't be an issue.
    Last edited by mmocfd1b0ab5a3; 2020-10-05 at 12:40 AM.

  6. #286
    inb4 naxx cleared in an hour and a half

    inb4 people pretending to be shocked

    inb4 classic is easy because it is

    inb4 that is fine, raiding should be made easier

    inb4 world first is overrated and nobody cares and blizzard should stop designing current raid content around .5% of the sweatiest of players and the nerfing it after they get their dumb kill

    inb4 bosses that take days to down by the average guild don't even drop unique or enticing loot to justify the headache anymore

    inb4

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by mmocfd1b0ab5a3 View Post
    Well... healers have been using mana potions from Molten Core to Nyalotha, thats 16 years.

    Using mana potions have been no brainer in every raid tier in WoW history so I didnt think I would have to mention that separately.
    Then i quite frankly have no idea why you felt the need to argue over this, because i literally covered this in my first post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Spamming Max Rank heals for 3min+ is possible only with every consumable available and using pots / runes on CD.

  8. #288
    It's easy. I would know. I have Immortal title.

  9. #289
    I have said this from the beginning. The reason why stuff was difficult in Vanilla was server population controlled how many quality players you had and WoW was the first MMO for a large % of their player base and secondly players went into most of the Vanilla raids blind. They had to spend time figuring out mechanics from poorly datamined information and smack your face into the boss until everything just worked. You had to make strats on the fly.

    The only fight I can see issue on will be thadius as there is some learning to do with spacing and the infamous jump to the platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    It's easy. I would know. I have Immortal title.
    That was a significantly changed instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zka View Post
    If anything, Patchwerk will be trivial. I expect 4HM, Loatheb, Sapph and KT pose some kind of challenge.
    Saph is only a challenge to guilds that didn't grind FR gear, kinda like Huhu was only a challenge to guilds without NR gear.

  11. #291
    Considering that even on private servers it is cleared in record time, Classic's version most likely wont last long either.


  12. #292
    Well i pugged noth, patchwerk and the entire spider wing in original vanilla so i doubt the bosses will be much challenging this time around, loatheb, grobbulus and 4 horsemen will be the only minor challenges before you reach sapphiron and kel'thuzad will be kinda hard

  13. #293
    I don't think so. We already broke Naxx DPS treshold way before T2,5 was release. It will be face roll if you come in maxed out (AQ40 gear + full WB + flask).

    I play in a pretty casual raiding guild and we just started AQ40, so for us it will be the wall it - should - be. So i am happy about it

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    The biggest issue will ofc be Heigan. Will be fun to watch streamers do that.

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