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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    because i would be not a threat to society

    thief is a thief. he shoudl rot in prison.
    Do you have stocks in GEO? If the answer is no (and we both know the answer is no) your position is actively working against your own interests. You are literally wasting your own tax dollars on a system that is proven and knowingly ineffective that are going directly to lining the pockets of a corporation.

    Neoliberal capitalism isn't for you, it doesn't benefit you. You are not now, nor will you ever be and embarrassed billionaire, you are simply one of the 'poors' who exists to be grit for the mill of your oligarchical masters.
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    Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    so aparently it would be ok if i came and robbed you house in very nice manner

    because i would be not a threat to society

    thief is a thief. he shoudl rot in prison.
    .
    No one is saying thieves should not be punished. Put your strawman away.

    Life in prison should be restricted only to violent criminals.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Do you have stocks in GEO? If the answer is no (and we both know the answer is no) your position is actively working against your own interests. You are literally wasting your own tax dollars on a system that is proven and knowingly ineffective that are going directly to lining the pockets of a corporation.

    Neoliberal capitalism isn't for you, it doesn't benefit you. You are not now, nor will you ever be and embarrassed billionaire, you are simply one of the 'poors' who exists to be grit for the mill of your oligarchical masters.
    i do live very happy comfortable life that is possible thanks to that "corrupted unfair capitalism"

    you dont need to be bilionaire or even multi-milionaire to be happy in life.

  4. #244
    Ahh, America, land of the free.

    FUBAR country on most levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    so aparently it would be ok if i came and robbed you house in very nice manner

    because i would be not a threat to society

    thief is a thief. he shoudl rot in prison.

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    he is effectively wasting taxpayers money for X amount of years.

    death penalties for repeated offenders would be cheaper and mean that those $$$$ could co towards other social goals instead being wasted on criminals.

    shame west went away from using prisoners for heavy labour jobs so they could earn their living in prison.
    By requesting punishment far exceeding the crime, you are a threat to society and should rot in prison, right?

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It's apparently easier to spend millions punishing someone than to give them a prescription for Prozac.
    Socialized medicine!?!? We can't afford that! How could we afford that and give Jeff Bezos and the Waltons another 1 trillion dollar tax cut!
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    It doesnt destroy the land to bury styrofoam 25 feet below the ground
    Today Obama once again kneeled at the altar of environmental naziism and hurt this once great country. He has now banned all drilling in the Atlantic Ocean

  7. #247
    Yeah. The answer to crime is to give away drugs...giving billions to pharms, trading the problem at hand...individuals stealing for...pharms' grand theft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Yeah. The answer to crime is to give away drugs...giving billions to pharms, trading the problem at hand...individuals stealing for...pharms' grand theft.
    Yet you’re all in favor of prison companies grand theft. Why do you want to subsidize criminals?

    And yes, healing people is better than locking them up. Are you some sort of sociopath who delights in punishing people?

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Are you some sort of sociopath who delights in punishing people?
    Nice attempt at a genuine conversation. Jesus.
    Comes a time when we all gotta die...even kings.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post

    death penalties for repeated offenders would be cheaper and mean that those $$$$ could co towards other social goals instead being wasted on criminals.
    I fucking knew that someone would seriously call for a death penalty on this. It was only a matter of time.
    Dude, curb your sociopathy.
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    death penalties for repeated offenders would be cheaper and mean that those $$$$ could co towards other social goals instead being wasted on criminals.
    Wrong. Death penalty is much, much more expensive than keeping them locked up for life.

    Not even going to touch the rest of your vitriol. Ugh.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post

    I ain't coming here claiming to have answers, because I don't. But I am coming here to say that the current system continues to fail and we need to look into a way to make it work.
    Fair enough!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Criminal justice fixes
    Remove mandatory minimum sentences, these are a borderline unlawful impingement on the freedom of the judiciary and are proven to do nothing but exponentially (in the order of 300 to 500% depending on the country) inflate prison population numbers (almost like that's the point).

    Remove "three-strike" laws, see above but also the whole point of sentencing discretion is a judge can impose a harsher sentence for repeat offenders. This should not be the legislative body's job

    Stop inflaming the public with pointless tough on crime rhetoric for easy votes, it does nothing but massively inflate sentences and the actual number of offences on the books.

    Slash bail amounts for petty nonviolent crimes (isn't there some amendment against that?). Be honest, what reasonable hope does even a middle-class person have of getting access to $25k liquid capital outside of business hours?

    Decriminalise small quantity drug possession offences. All these do is serve to give young people records to perpetuate cycles of poverty and clog up the court system with pointless cases.

    Abolish for-profit prisons so the state is not incentivised to rely on tough on crime rhetoric and isn't giving companies more money then it would cost to do it on their own.

    Hugely lower sentence guidelines for non-violent petty crimes, I'm talking sentences in the month range not lowering the number of years. Based on recidivism rates prison alone is proven not to be an effective crime deterrent ergo it's a waste of everyone's time and money from the offender to the state.

    Seal non-violent/non-sexual criminal records, a huge problem with recidivism is once someone has a record they can't even get a job if they try which means the only option is crime.

    Stop criminalising mental health issues

    General social fixes
    Socialise Helathcare
    Subsidise Education (and stop basing it on surrounding property taxes ensuring poor children get poor schools like seriously what the fuck is wrong with the US)
    Provide social safety nets
    Stop being systemically racist leading to young people and minorities being needlessly involved in the criminal justice system.


    Seriously the idea that no one knows what the problem is and there is nothing to be done is a myth. The US criminal justice system exists as a means to win votes and support the for-profit prison system.
    I can agree with a few points here. De-criminalization of mental health issues and the impact of that is an interesting one that probably deserves its own thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Wrong. Death penalty is much, much more expensive than keeping them locked up for life.
    It's very cheap if you don't mind killing innocent people.

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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    Nice attempt at a genuine conversation. Jesus.
    What 'genuine conversation' is there to be had?

    Every single piece of data that exists on earth shows that higher sentences, MMS, three strike laws and the exponential rise in technical parole violations have minimal impact on recidivism or crime rate. The only thing they are directly tied to is the 500% increase in prisoner population in the US which just randomly happens to coincide with the rise of the for profit prison system.

    It's almost like those laws don't protect the public (because they don't) and they're intentionally designed to damage the public to line the pockets of corporations at the expense of the state (they are).
    Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    What 'genuine conversation' is there to be had?

    Every single piece of data that exists on earth shows that higher sentences, MMS, three strike laws and the exponential rise in technical parole violations have minimal impact on recidivism or crime rate. The only thing they are directly tied to is the 500% increase in prisoner population in the US which just randomly happens to coincide with the rise of the for profit prison system.

    It's almost like those laws don't protect the public (because they don't) and they're intentionally designed to damage the public to line the pockets of corporations at the expense of the state (they are).
    dont know how you but i feel safer knowing criminals are locked behind bars.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    dont know how you but i feel safer knowing criminals are locked behind bars.
    Nobody is arguing that people convicted of crimes shouldn't face punishment, my dude. I don't know why people keep appearing to think this.

    Just that life in prison for attempted theft of hedge trimmers, even with his largely non-violent prior offenses, ain't a benefit to society, especially financially.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    dont know how you but i feel safer knowing criminals are locked behind bars.
    What's that thing right-wing pundits like to spew? Oh that's it, facts don't care about your feelings.
    Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    Nice attempt at a genuine conversation. Jesus.
    Nice “argument”. Care to explain why excessive punishment isn’t sociopathy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Sentenced to life for a life of crime. The cost is huge, but the solution is not to release him; we should reduce the cost of keeping people locked up. I'm shocked it costs that much to keep criminals locked up.
    Yeah human rights are expensive, especially when you’re getting gouged by immoral legalized slave owners.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by zhero View Post
    how many things went unnoticed in his criminal career? we're not allowed to deport him or send him to a penal colony anymore, he isn't fit to live with the rest of society.
    I prefer a society where you are innocent until proven guilty. What evidence do you have of these unnoticed crimes?

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Well slave owners are there in China now with millions forced to free labor and no one is giving a shit.
    I think you're conflating you not giving a shit with nobody else giving a shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    On topic, we can build jails in cheap countries and ship the criminals there to serve their time.
    What countries will take our criminals? What if nobody wants to? How are we going to negotiate these contracts? How will we ensure that the prisoners Constitutional Rights are protected?

    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    Save tax payer money ... we can even build better quality prisons with better facilities, food and healthcare. It would be a win-win.
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