More willful blindness by the media on spying by Obama administration

[Elegiac]

Trump wasn't being spied on. The Hill opinion piece in the OP is just biased garbage that is misrepresenting the truth. And you're swallowing that garbage without engaging your critical thinking skills.

Hey, fun trick you can do at home with your friends.

Compare and contrast this:

All I hear is excuses. There is no excuse to spy on a presidential candidate. None. Otherwise we can always come up with 50,000 reasons to spy and if we couldn't we can just simply spy because "why no be safe? What if he is just good at hiding his stuff?". It is never acceptable and what Obama did is the most corrupt thing any president has done in all our history.

With this:

What to take from this? I'm sure some pressure was applied to not expand the investigation in a political direction .. not because Clinton assassinated him or anything but probably because they didn't want the noise that can come out from an expanded investigation. We saw the noise it made even without the expanded investigation as a possible politically motivated crime. Now imagine with me the noise it would have made if an investigation in that direction was pushed ... it's just sad how corrupt our system is. We now don't dig into crimes just because we don't wanna anger politicians.

Methinks we have a QAnon'er in our midst.

[Elegiac]

It doesn't matter; you don't spy on a presidential candidate. Stop trying to come up with excuses; either we always spy or we never do. If you wanna come up with an excuse there is always one; ALWAYS.

Hmm....

Well it might have been the Russians. It's not really about who did it, it's about the fact that this was never treated as a possible political crime and no investigation in that direction was made.

You know, I can just keep going with this. The change in tack because it's Trump that is under threat is hilarious.

[Zan15]

All I hear is excuses. There is no excuse to spy on a presidential candidate. None. Otherwise we can always come up with 50,000 reasons to spy and if we couldn't we can just simply spy because "why no be safe? What if he is just good at hiding his stuff?". It is never acceptable and what Obama did is the most corrupt thing any president has done in all our history.

Terrorist will love your little loophole.

Can't spy on them sending funds to ISIS.....because they are running for president for the 11 time!!

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It doesn't matter; you don't spy on a presidential candidate. Stop trying to come up with excuses; either we always spy or we never do. If you wanna come up with an excuse there is always one; ALWAYS.

i think you are confusing "spying" vs "investigating"

[SirBeef]

Hey, fun trick you can do at home with your friends.

Compare and contrast this:



With this:



Methinks we have a QAnon'er in our midst.

That's almost an insult to QAnoners.

[Endus]

Yup sadly it took ages to start investigating Obama's misconduct and I doubt he'll be put in prison for it no matter what. Why? Because there a lot of people like you who don't care about misconduct but just about having their party win ... it's sad but hey what can you do.

No, because there's not even a whisper of evidence of wrongdoing. You're pushing a literal conspiracy theory. The chemtrails people have more evidence than you do.

[Felya]

Yup sadly it took ages to start investigating Obama's misconduct and I doubt he'll be put in prison for it no matter what. Why? Because there a lot of people like you who don't care about misconduct but just about having their party win ... it's sad but hey what can you do.

Dude... Trump sent his derpstate to Ukraine, to meet with a corrupt, Russian backed, dismissed persecutor... demanding a foreign nation announce an investigation into Biden. Trump got Roger Stone out of jail, where his conviction included obstruction of justice to help Trump. How long has Trump been hiding his taxes? How about DNA sample, to compare to the one a woman claiming he raped her, has?

[shimerra]

That's irrelevant to why we should lock up Obama.

You regularly deflect and distract from Trump's blatant crimes, he's literally on the record saying he's trying to impede people's right to vote by attacking the postal service, by bringing up Obama so you don't get to play that game.

Defend Trump's crimes as you have here in this thread called Obama's actions the worst of all time. But you can't can you? Hell your only defense of Trump's crimes here has been that you think it's illegal to investigate a presidential candidate for any criminal activity done by him or his staff. Pretty shitty defense from a conservative. Why is a presidental candidate free to commit unlimited crimes without investigating then as you have clearly stated? Where is your law and order? Trump knows far more than we do and controls the executive.

Why does Barr bit immediately arrest Obama for his crimes? They have the power to do it quite easily as long as they have the evidence. Why are Obama and Hillary still free then after multiple inquiries and what was it 10 Benghazi investigations? Why did Hillary testify in person for hours and trump acted like a pussy having his lawyer submit written answers because he's too scared to talk in person?

[Felya]

That's irrelevant to why we should lock up Obama.

It’s very relevant, since you need to explain why Trump isn’t locked up, when being caught red handed.

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I'm not the one deflecting on the actual issue and topic of this thread. There is a thread about Trump actions and maybe even a specific one about Ukraine. Do you wanna talk about the weather as well? Anything but Obama's crimes?

You are though... you literally claimed that spying on your opponents is the worst thing a candidate can do and are ignoring an actual candidate that did it. Obama isn’t in office...

Edit: You believe a guy, that got caught red handed.

[shimerra]

I'm not the one deflecting on the actual issue and topic of this thread. There is a thread about Trump actions and maybe even a specific one about Ukraine. Do you wanna talk about the weather as well? Anything but Obama's crimes?

You've literally claimed it should be illegal to investigate possible crimes by a presidential candidate. Which your are claiming is Obama's "crime". That is discussing the topic as the actual and possible crimes being investigated were committed by Trump's campaign staff. Please stop deflecting and avoiding the question like the current president.

Be a man and answer why the crimes of Trump's staff shouldn't have been looked into and why it was wrong of Obama to warn Trump he hired a criminal consorting with foreign spy's and agents to undermine the actions of the US Congress and president? Why do you keep dodging my question about why you think a presidential candidate should be absolutely immune from criminal investigation as well as all his employees?

[Felya]

You've literally claimed it should be illegal to investigate possible crimes by a presidential candidate. That is discussing the topic as the actual and possible crimes being investigated were committed by Trump's campaign staff. Please stop deflecting and avoiding the question like the current president.

Be a man and answer why the crimes of Trump's staff shouldn't have been looked into and why it was wrong of Obama to warn Trump he hired a criminal consorting with foreign spy's?

You are nasty, I asked around, the nastiest, most angry... what’s the word... horrible... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

[Felya]

Investigating is different than spying using government agencies. Did the FBI or CIA wire tape Biden or spy on him and his son? Stop deflecting and stop finding excuses. You can investigate as much as you want but spying is a different thing. We also investigated Hillary and that is fine. Spying is never okay.

No, Trump did not obtain any approval to send his derp state to Ukraine... there were no warrants and Trump hid the transcript on the espionage server. Roger Stone literally coordinates Russian spying to be released to public, by Wikileaks... then obstructed justice to protect Trump. Trump used Russian spying and asked for it in public... so... no... Trump’s spies were not the FBI, they were Russians hacking Hillarie’s emails... seriously... WTF?!

[Endus]

Trump did not spy on Biden nor on his campaign. Stop this deflection bullshit. Besides, as I said, this is about Obama shit not Trump shit. We're here to discuss disgusting spying Obama did. There is a thread about Trump; you can go nag about him all you want but I guess whenever someone brings shit about Obama, instead of being concerned about the abuse of power you wanna talk about Trump. Why can't you people have some dignity? Why can't you say yeah Obama was shit fuck and should be imprisoned? You can still hate Trump and say he's a shit head; why the obsession in changing topics and subjects?

Trump was not spied upon by Obama.

You can accept the facts, or you can continue trying to push this conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality.

[Calfredd]

He was spied on ... you can keep lying to yourself but don't blame others for being non-insane. I guess when you can't defend an action you just assume it never happened! You'll choose fulfilling blindness over admitting even a single fuck up by Obama.

He wasn't spied on and you are a massive hypocrite.

[Endus]

He was spied on ... you can keep lying to yourself but don't blame others for being non-insane. I guess when you can't defend an action you just assume it never happened! You'll choose fulfilling blindness over admitting even a single fuck up by Obama.

What do I have to "defend"? You're making shit up that did not happen. Your only source was an opinion article that lied about the facts.

https://www.businessinsider.com/just...p-2016-2019-11

This is shit that was debunked months ago, conclusively, but here you are, still dredging up bullshit and pushing a baseless conspiracy theory.

[Yetanothernewbie]

He was spied on ... join the line of the blind.

The fucking irony of this statement. At this point you have to be trolling because the level stupidity to accept this debunked opinion article as the gospel truth should mean you are mentally incapable of typing a reply.

[Calfredd]

He was spied on ... join the line of the blind.

And you are deaf to the truth.

[Pipebomb]

Aaron Maté on the Jimmy Dore show. Starts at 2:45

FBI Caught Faking Documents To Russia-Gate!

[callipygoustp]

Pages and and pages of nothing more than the following:

[Eviscero]

He was spied on ... you can keep lying to yourself but don't blame others for being non-insane. I guess when you can't defend an action you just assume it never happened! You'll choose fulfilling blindness over admitting even a single fuck up by Obama.

Ah yes, "non-insane," or "sane" as it is known to the non-insane.

Seriously though. You can keep shouting about Bengazi, her emails, "left and to the back", wind on the moon, and Obama spying but maybe you should instead save your breathe and wait until the Trump administration, with it's corrupt lap dog justice department brings charges. Better yet, hold your breath until that happens please.

[Felya]

He was spied on ... join the line of the blind.

Blind for not believing Trump beyond reason?