Page 43 of 44 FirstFirst ...
33
41
42
43
44
LastLast
  1. #841
    So his organization is now banned as extremist, some people were arrested, membership means your future is bleak.
    Read, whatever was left of real opposition in Russia has now died. Well, what can I say, except how long until another "pension reform" pushed through Duma with nothing to be done against it?

    I mean, you can theoretically go protest... If your protest gets approved, because unnamed "security threats", "road repairs", etc. And if it is approved then it can only happen at some suburb far away from anything important.
    Making another party is basically impossible too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So his organization is now banned as extremist, some people were arrested, membership means your future is bleak.
    Read, whatever was left of real opposition in Russia has now died. Well, what can I say, except how long until another "pension reform" pushed through Duma with nothing to be done against it?
    All that is left of liberal opposition is dead.

    Good riddance, even if i disagree with methods employed.

    Left-leaning ones still exist.

    Making another party is basically impossible too.
    Which is why simply breaking United Russia's stranglehold on constitutional majority using existing well-established at least nominally oppositional parties is better strategy.

  3. #843
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    All that is left of liberal opposition is dead.

    Good riddance, even if i disagree with methods employed.

    Left-leaning ones still exist.

    Which is why simply breaking United Russia's stranglehold on constitutional majority using existing well-established at least nominally oppositional parties is better strategy.
    First, I and probably most of others here doubt that you disagree with those methods. Second, do you seriously believe they are an actual opposition? That people like Zhirik or Zyuganov are actually independent and mean something? AHAHAHAHAHA

    Third - yeah, good luck with that. They are not ever gonna get more popularity.

    We are gonna see funny shit and games with numbers during this year's elections.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  4. #844
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    First, I and probably most of others here doubt that you disagree with those methods. Second, do you seriously believe they are an actual opposition? That people like Zhirik or Zyuganov are actually independent and mean something? AHAHAHAHAHA
    In a sense "not churning whatever Kremlin wants to push through non-stop" - yes.

    Can they still be "persuaded"? Sure. Are they going to be total "yes-men"? Nope.

    You're repeating same Kremlin propaganda aimed at weakening opposition.

    Third - yeah, good luck with that. They are not ever gonna get more popularity.
    As if Navalny was ever going to get out of his niche of small right-wing enterpreneurs with his cult of personality and non-cooperation with other forces.

    We are gonna see funny shit and games with numbers during this year's elections.
    Sure. Wherever that is going to be enough is the question.

  5. #845
    Herald of the Titans CostinR's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Romania
    Posts
    2,504
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    First, I and probably most of others here doubt that you disagree with those methods. Second, do you seriously believe they are an actual opposition? That people like Zhirik or Zyuganov are actually independent and mean something? AHAHAHAHAHA

    Third - yeah, good luck with that. They are not ever gonna get more popularity.

    We are gonna see funny shit and games with numbers during this year's elections.
    Zhirik likely not no, Zyuganov yes. The communists had two elections stolen from them that they came close to winning, both in '96 and 2000, the 2000 one against Putin and both those elections were rigged, especially the one in '96. They aren't fans of Putin's government let's say but you never really hear about them because well the Russian media bends over for Putin while the Western Media would NEVER give credence to the idea that the communists, who are hardliners that make Putin look nice, are genuine opposition party of Russia, not some activist clown like Navalny.

    That's all Navalny ever amounted to, an activist that never would have come close to winning any election even if they were free and fair. Actually if elections were free and fair in Russia with a genuine independent media you'd likely see either the neo-communists win or some neo-fascist party emerge.

    Because that's what the Russian people REALLY are. Forget delusions about some Moscow "liberal" ( who really isn't a liberal ) like Navalny who only matters because the West likes to use him to drive the message in everyone's head of "Putin bad".

    Now excuse me I need to go take a wash, I feel dirty for saying these things, makes me feel like I am even remotely agreeing with Shalcker. Navalny's "crime" was daring to publicize the mafia state that we all know Putin runs.
    Last edited by CostinR; 2021-06-13 at 07:33 AM.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

  6. #846
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    So his organization is now banned as extremist, some people were arrested, membership means your future is bleak.
    Read, whatever was left of real opposition in Russia has now died. Well, what can I say, except how long until another "pension reform" pushed through Duma with nothing to be done against it?

    I mean, you can theoretically go protest... If your protest gets approved, because unnamed "security threats", "road repairs", etc. And if it is approved then it can only happen at some suburb far away from anything important.
    Making another party is basically impossible too.
    Navalny never was real opposition Easo.

  7. #847
    Suuure, commies are real opposition. Sure. Old people are their biggest supporters, they are literally on a lifeline which is being tightened as those people die off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Navalny never was real opposition Easo.
    Hard to be in opposition when you and others basically never get to be on lists since Kremlin did everything to ensure they and others are supressed.

    United Russia is going to have another overwhelming win, regardless of how real the numbers will be (though let's be fair - they do have the biggest support regardless). We will be able to laugh at 146% level jokes, at least, that's for sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  8. #848
    Herald of the Titans CostinR's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Romania
    Posts
    2,504
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Suuure, commies are real opposition. Sure. Old people are their biggest supporters, they are literally on a lifeline which is being tightened as those people die off.
    I've heard this talk about various political parties in many countries over the years and it's always a load of nonsense. There will ALWAYS be older voters who will always be attracted to certain parties. This dumb idea that "all we need to do is wait for them to die" is not only stupid it's honestly rather insulting. The pension reform in Russia has pushed many people away from United Russia, who may very well lose their majority in the State Duma in September.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

  9. #849
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    I've heard this talk about various political parties in many countries over the years and it's always a load of nonsense. There will ALWAYS be older voters who will always be attracted to certain parties. This dumb idea that "all we need to do is wait for them to die" is not only stupid it's honestly rather insulting. The pension reform in Russia has pushed many people away from United Russia, who may very well lose their majority in the State Duma in September.
    They are not going to loose it. You do realize that? It would take a miracle for it to happen.
    And yes, commies are not getting more popular...
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  10. #850
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    United Russia is going to have another overwhelming win, regardless of how real the numbers will be (though let's be fair - they do have the biggest support regardless). We will be able to laugh at 146% level jokes, at least, that's for sure.
    They do get more popular though:
    https://www.levada.ru/2021/03/11/ele...ingi-partij-5/
    The most likely result is definitely UR still winning due to inertia but losing constitutional majority - which is the point.

    That last trick with passing pension age increase right after elections while denying it was ever going to happen before them was a bit too blatant.
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2021-06-14 at 02:34 AM.

  11. #851
    Herald of the Titans CostinR's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Romania
    Posts
    2,504
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    They are not going to loose it. You do realize that? It would take a miracle for it to happen.
    And yes, commies are not getting more popular...
    A miracle? Maybe or a really pissed off electorate because Putin committed the ultimate sin and screwed them over with their pensions.

    They'll still get the largest share of the vote and will also very likely have a majority of seats, but if they don't get a majority of the vote well that shows you the situation.

    Don't expect any changes in Russia's foreign policy though.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

  12. #852
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    A miracle? Maybe or a really pissed off electorate because Putin committed the ultimate sin and screwed them over with their pensions.
    A few other points:
    - Communist party is traditionally "party of the poor"; with rise of inflation and other C19 economic complications while government support remains weak sentiment shift is likely (and observed).
    - Navalny's remaining "Smart Vote" scheme will prioritize voting "next best candidate after UR one" - in a lot of poor districts that is going to be communists.

  13. #853
    yo shackler did u see that surkov interview yet? his transition to warlord is bizarre.

  14. #854
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    yo shackler did u see that surkov interview yet? his transition to warlord is bizarre.
    Do you mean WarGonzo's Surkov and Borodai one?

    I checked it and quite interested where did you get this "transition to warlord"... which re-telling are you going off from?

    Since it's quite weird take. He is quite non-committal and doesn't reveal anything new. "Ukraine will eventually return back because that's inevitable historical trajectory", "nationalism is good", "Putin's rebellion against unjust world order", things like that, with general military/special services attitude to things.

  15. #855
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    A miracle? Maybe or a really pissed off electorate because Putin committed the ultimate sin and screwed them over with their pensions.

    They'll still get the largest share of the vote and will also very likely have a majority of seats, but if they don't get a majority of the vote well that shows you the situation.

    Don't expect any changes in Russia's foreign policy though.
    They will get majority of the vote and seats. Be realistic. Pissed off electorate? Belarus managed to get more people in the streets than Russia while having 15 times less population. Electorate just sits and grumbles all day. Sure - there IS a limit. But that limit is far away and Putin has clearly shown that there are no issues with just dispersing protests with force.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    They do get more popular though:
    https://www.levada.ru/2021/03/11/ele...ingi-partij-5/
    The most likely result is definitely UR still winning due to inertia but losing constitutional majority - which is the point.

    That last trick with passing pension age increase right after elections while denying it was ever going to happen before them was a bit too blatant.
    They have sat at those ~10% for what, 20 years? With ups and downs? There is no future for commies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  16. #856
    Herald of the Titans CostinR's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Romania
    Posts
    2,504
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    They will get majority of the vote and seats. Be realistic. Pissed off electorate? Belarus managed to get more people in the streets than Russia while having 15 times less population. Electorate just sits and grumbles all day. Sure - there IS a limit. But that limit is far away and Putin has clearly shown that there are no issues with just dispersing protests with force.
    Not when the polls, genuine polls, show United Russia at 30%. If they DO get a majority of the vote and seats it's because the outright falsified numbers ( and that doesn't happen quite to the degree you might think ).

    Belarus and Russia are very different countries for a wide variety of reasons. Lukashenko has NEVER had any free and fair election, ever. He has always cheated, in a blatant manner, to win. Putin, sure he controls the media and has it portray him as a godlike being, attacks his opponents and has always had his vote counts inflated but never outright stole an election that he should have and would have lost except the 2000 one, and even there it was more so that the rigging helped him get over 50% to avoid a runoff.
    "Life is one long series of problems to solve. The more you solve, the better a man you become.... Tribulations spawn in life and over and over again we must stand our ground and face them."

  17. #857
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    Not when the polls, genuine polls, show United Russia at 30%. If they DO get a majority of the vote and seats it's because the outright falsified numbers ( and that doesn't happen quite to the degree you might think ).

    Belarus and Russia are very different countries for a wide variety of reasons. Lukashenko has NEVER had any free and fair election, ever. He has always cheated, in a blatant manner, to win. Putin, sure he controls the media and has it portray him as a godlike being, attacks his opponents and has always had his vote counts inflated but never outright stole an election that he should have and would have lost except the 2000 one, and even there it was more so that the rigging helped him get over 50% to avoid a runoff.
    Well, we shall see, then. I would love to see UR humilited (it also humilates Putin, though a bunch of Russians for whatever reason do not connect the party with him), of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  18. #858
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Well, we shall see, then. I would love to see UR humilited (it also humilates Putin, though a bunch of Russians for whatever reason do not connect the party with him), of course.
    Considering the stance taken just now on Russia and China by G7 and NATO, I'm not sure that's going to happen. We just handed Putin another few years in power.

  19. #859
    Quote Originally Posted by Cringefest View Post
    Considering the stance taken just now on Russia and China by G7 and NATO, I'm not sure that's going to happen. We just handed Putin another few years in power.
    He already did that for himself with recent constitution changes. I doubt any changes in goverment (if they happen at all) would revert what was done. He is staying there at least until 2036, when he will already be 83. And if a part of population still wanna believe in the old evil West is coming mantra, well, not like we can change it. Though economy is in shitter right now, I really do not think majority cares anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Take that haters.
    IF IM STUPID, so is Donald Trump.

  20. #860
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    He already did that for himself with recent constitution changes. I doubt any changes in goverment (if they happen at all) would revert what was done. He is staying there at least until 2036, when he will already be 83. And if a part of population still wanna believe in the old evil West is coming mantra, well, not like we can change it. Though economy is in shitter right now, I really do not think majority cares anymore.
    Yeah they must be mad thinking we're going for them.

    "UK and US urge G7 to ally against threats from Russia and China"

    I wonder where they get that from. Must be a ruski thing. Maybe the vodka.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •