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  1. #1701
    Lol, shit game is shit, people are realizing what was said months ago.

  2. #1702
    Quote Originally Posted by Aoewy View Post
    And yet world first raiders at ilvl spent hours on it yesterday and enjoyed it
    Lmao, world first raiders Is this troll or irony? People killed Valtan like 30 minutes after servers opened, the fuck are you on about??
    My nickname is "LDEV", not "idev". (both font clarification and ez bait)

    yall im smh @ ur simplified english

  3. #1703
    Maximum/Thd from Limit (Liquid) spent hours yesterday on it going in at ilvl and blind. I'll take their opinions over that of a random on the internet.

  4. #1704
    Quote Originally Posted by Aoewy View Post
    Maximum/Thd from Limit (Liquid) spent hours yesterday on it going in at ilvl and blind. I'll take their opinions over that of a random on the internet.
    DDD good for them

    Hours on years old content, what heroes going in blind D
    Last edited by ldev; 2022-05-20 at 02:29 PM.
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    yall im smh @ ur simplified english

  5. #1705
    lmao I wonder who reported me? First time that's happened. Someone really got butthurt.

  6. #1706
    Reminder to please stay fluffy and keep discussion on the game, not moderation or each others decisions on how to play. Thanks y'all.

  7. #1707
    Quote Originally Posted by Aoewy View Post
    Everybody can come and go as they want for whatever reason, after all we play what we enjoy. With that being said, I find it amusing to call something easy, when you over gear the content by 30ilvl, in a group with people 30-45 ilvl higher than the fight. Its like going in a raid in WoW with the gear of the next tier, or in some case even the next 2 tiers, as 1490 is Brelshaza normal p1/2, so after Vykas and Kakul.

    To each their own I guess, I rather go in blind at the required ilvl for the first experience. Obviously overgearing a fight would make it easier, but I'm looking at maximum stream on the side, they are doing it blind at ilvl, and it doesnt seems LFR easy at all. They have their share of wipes. And we are talking about world first raiders so yeah, let's just say doubt.jpg
    Well, the thing is, those mechanics can't be carried by ilv. They literally can't. I do agree I don't get the dude's fetish for ilv though, it's very weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoewy View Post
    Everybody can come and go as they want for whatever reason, after all we play what we enjoy. With that being said, I find it amusing to call something easy, when you over gear the content by 30ilvl, in a group with people 30-45 ilvl higher than the fight. Its like going in a raid in WoW with the gear of the next tier, or in some case even the next 2 tiers, as 1490 is Brelshaza normal p1/2, so after Vykas and Kakul.

    To each their own I guess, I rather go in blind at the required ilvl for the first experience. Obviously overgearing a fight would make it easier, but I'm looking at maximum stream on the side, they are doing it blind at ilvl, and it doesnt seems LFR easy at all. They have their share of wipes. And we are talking about world first raiders so yeah, let's just say doubt.jpg
    I also do find it amusing people like to trash a game for being easy just cuz. Newsflash, no mmorpg is difficult, period. I feel like people want to play mmorpgs to flex and then find it disappointing cuz it's easy content and eventually everyone will be able to do it so they quit and try to find another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldev View Post
    Yea well in WoW you can't, because WoW is well designed game. How is that a players problem and not game design fault?
    LOL is this for real? You can't in wow because it's not a f2p game. What kind of argument is this?

  8. #1708
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpink View Post
    I also do find it amusing people like to trash a game for being easy just cuz. Newsflash, no mmorpg is difficult, period. I feel like people want to play mmorpgs to flex and then find it disappointing cuz it's easy content and eventually everyone will be able to do it so they quit and try to find another one.
    I think MMOs have to be fairly easy by nature. If they're too hard, people will struggle in random groups. Organized groups can go well for a time, until some people leave - which will eventually happen in any game. That can lead to a snowballing effect as groups start to fall apart.

    On topic: We reached T3 some time ago, and now feel what all people meant when they were complaining about the honing chances. I already had 6 items reach the 100% chance due to bad luck protection, and I'm just at around 1350 now. This stuff will get worse later on, when needing more honings to get to 100%. Also, gold is becoming a real issue. My main source are Una's tasks currently, which net around 1-1.5k a week. That stuff is gone like nothing when doing T3 honing.

  9. #1709
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostfred View Post
    I think MMOs have to be fairly easy by nature. If they're too hard, people will struggle in random groups. Organized groups can go well for a time, until some people leave - which will eventually happen in any game. That can lead to a snowballing effect as groups start to fall apart.
    Yea you can't make mmorpgs too difficult because it relies on 8 people (or w/e the content size is) to do everything perfectly. That's a lot different than a single player game where the only person that matters is you. Idk why people don't seem to understand this. You want very difficult stuff? Play single player games. And yes, tons of wow nerds love to talk about how hard it is but it's really not. At an individual level wow is easy af too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frostfred View Post
    On topic: We reached T3 some time ago, and now feel what all people meant when they were complaining about the honing chances. I already had 6 items reach the 100% chance due to bad luck protection, and I'm just at around 1350 now. This stuff will get worse later on, when needing more honings to get to 100%. Also, gold is becoming a real issue. My main source are Una's tasks currently, which net around 1-1.5k a week. That stuff is gone like nothing when doing T3 honing.
    Yea my one complaint about this game is mandatory alts. If you don't have alts you will progress at a super slow pace. I have the usual 5 alts/1 main and make about 10k / week from just the base gold rewards from instances (sometimes i'll make more from drops but not that much more). That gets me like 2-3 hones at 1415+, it's really harsh. Imagine how bad it'd be with someone who only has 1 char.

  10. #1710
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpink View Post
    Yea you can't make mmorpgs too difficult because it relies on 8 people (or w/e the content size is) to do everything perfectly. That's a lot different than a single player game where the only person that matters is you. Idk why people don't seem to understand this. You want very difficult stuff? Play single player games. And yes, tons of wow nerds love to talk about how hard it is but it's really not. At an individual level wow is easy af too.



    Yea my one complaint about this game is mandatory alts. If you don't have alts you will progress at a super slow pace. I have the usual 5 alts/1 main and make about 10k / week from just the base gold rewards from instances (sometimes i'll make more from drops but not that much more). That gets me like 2-3 hones at 1415+, it's really harsh. Imagine how bad it'd be with someone who only has 1 char.
    Well I have the one bard and I'm 1421, 268 honing fails according to the achievement, not sure if that's average. I'm not seeing this issue everyone talks about when you don't play alts, I'm doing more than fine tbh. Then again, I might be the exception and not the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomelus View Post
    Well I have the one bard and I'm 1421, 268 honing fails according to the achievement, not sure if that's average. I'm not seeing this issue everyone talks about when you don't play alts, I'm doing more than fine tbh. Then again, I might be the exception and not the rule.
    It’s not that you can’t, it’s just that alts are a huge benefit.
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  12. #1712
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    It’s not that you can’t, it’s just that alts are a huge benefit.
    That's the thing, what benefit? I understand that, once you set up some alts (which takes some time and/or resources to do), you can start funneling to your main to push faster otherwise you'll be "behind". But I'm not seeing that, we got several events that injected a lot of mats, gold is argueable the worst resource of all, but you just need to play the AH a bit. And I'm not talking about selling your bound mats, just sell whatever random gear with half decent stats comes your way. Farm T1 maps and sell the shard bags that still sell fairly decent, and so on.
    I got to do Valtan week 1 this way, probably gonna take me some weeks to get to 1445 for hard mode, but I'm in no rush. Again, I'm not seeing this "benefit" of getting several alts to funnel, unless you legit only care about doing Valtan HM day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomelus View Post
    That's the thing, what benefit? I understand that, once you set up some alts (which takes some time and/or resources to do), you can start funneling to your main to push faster otherwise you'll be "behind". But I'm not seeing that, we got several events that injected a lot of mats, gold is argueable the worst resource of all, but you just need to play the AH a bit. And I'm not talking about selling your bound mats, just sell whatever random gear with half decent stats comes your way. Farm T1 maps and sell the shard bags that still sell fairly decent, and so on.
    I got to do Valtan week 1 this way, probably gonna take me some weeks to get to 1445 for hard mode, but I'm in no rush. Again, I'm not seeing this "benefit" of getting several alts to funnel, unless you legit only care about doing Valtan HM day 1.
    If you can’t understand x2 produces greater yields than x1 I don’t know what to tell you.
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  14. #1714
    Quote Originally Posted by Gomelus View Post
    That's the thing, what benefit? I understand that, once you set up some alts (which takes some time and/or resources to do), you can start funneling to your main to push faster otherwise you'll be "behind". But I'm not seeing that, we got several events that injected a lot of mats, gold is argueable the worst resource of all, but you just need to play the AH a bit. And I'm not talking about selling your bound mats, just sell whatever random gear with half decent stats comes your way. Farm T1 maps and sell the shard bags that still sell fairly decent, and so on.
    I got to do Valtan week 1 this way, probably gonna take me some weeks to get to 1445 for hard mode, but I'm in no rush. Again, I'm not seeing this "benefit" of getting several alts to funnel, unless you legit only care about doing Valtan HM day 1.
    Its more than just funnel mats too. You talk about gold being the worst resource of all - my 3 x 1370 alts produce 6-7 greater leapstone each daily, thats 18-21 total, for 7 days, at 105g which is the price right now on my server (was 135 last week and before), we talk about between 13 230 and 15 435 gold weekly. Add to this, 3 x phase 1 Argos, 3x both HM abyss and quickly you can see that you stack up some good gold. Im not counting my 3 x 1340 who do also their guardians, but i wait rested for them now, i used to run daily but its too much. Those produce small leapstone at 35g each, and run normal abyss.

    But with that being said, you do you! There is no wrong way to play, as long as you have fun. But there are benefits for having alts.
    Last edited by Aoewy; 2022-05-23 at 04:05 AM.

  15. #1715
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    If you can’t understand x2 produces greater yields than x1 I don’t know what to tell you.
    Pretty sure they understand that 2 > 1. (It's fun to be a condescending jerk though, I'm sure.)

    Their point seems to be that if they can keep their main current without doing alts, then why bother?

  16. #1716
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    If you can’t understand x2 produces greater yields than x1 I don’t know what to tell you.
    Sure, x2 for playing how many extra characters? Because afaik you can't transfer everything because bound stuff. Pretty sure you're just playing more to advance faster, not just to keep up with content, which I was making the argument for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    Pretty sure they understand that 2 > 1. (It's fun to be a condescending jerk though, I'm sure.)

    Their point seems to be that if they can keep their main current without doing alts, then why bother?
    Exactly this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aoewy View Post
    Its more than just funnel mats too. You talk about gold being the worst resource of all - my 3 x 1370 alts produce 6-7 greater leapstone each daily, thats 18-21 total, for 7 days, at 105g which is the price right now on my server (was 135 last week and before), we talk about between 13 230 and 15 435 gold weekly. Add to this, 3 x phase 1 Argos, 3x both HM abyss and quickly you can see that you stack up some good gold. Im not counting my 3 x 1340 who do also their guardians, but i wait rested for them now, i used to run daily but its too much. Those produce small leapstone at 35g each, and run normal abyss.

    But with that being said, you do you! There is no wrong way to play, as long as you have fun. But there are benefits for having alts.
    Yeah I forgot about the weekly lockouts and didn't consider selling the unbound mats instead of funneling, it's a shitton of extra time though.

  17. #1717
    Is lfg broken? Queued for a dung yesterday, after 15 min queue i gave up and soloed
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  18. #1718
    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Is lfg broken? Queued for a dung yesterday, after 15 min queue i gave up and soloed
    At least Abyss and Chaos Dungeons worked fine for me yesterday on EUC, though I didn't try normal ones.

  19. #1719
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostfred View Post
    At least Abyss and Chaos Dungeons worked fine for me yesterday on EUC, though I didn't try normal ones.
    Was normal leveling dungeon, does it need holy trinity or just 4 random classes to start?
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  20. #1720
    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    Was normal leveling dungeon, does it need holy trinity or just 4 random classes to start?
    4 random classes. There's no holy trinity in Lost Ark.

    I remember such issues from a few months ago, though, when most players couldn't get into instances together. Maybe they reintroduced them with the patch in some regions / dungeons?

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