Lost Ark coming to NA/EU! Smilegate to pair with Amazon Game Studios as Publisher!

[Ophenia]

P2W. If people think Lost Ark is not p2w - idiots.

Depends on your goals, sure. It's P2W if you aim at getting the World First or whatever.
Most free games with a competitive aspect will be P2W at some point - if you want competitive PvE content where money is not the deciding factor, you'll never find that in F2Ps
LA is P2W for the hardcore crowd - i'm not impacted, I'm sure a huge number of players are in the same boat.

Bots. People who think that at very minimum 50% of online people aren't bots - super idiots.

Bots are annoying to say the least, but what's the difference of having 50% of online people being bots or having only 2% ? I'm never waiting more than 1 minute for any T3 content, adventure islands still have plenty of participants.
Complaining about bots is one thing, but they have a very minor impact on the gameplay. They were annoying the first weeks where I spent some time blocking/signaling them, but I didn't see any Bot spam for the last three weeks, even in Vern or in the sea, where they were profusing before.

After, the fact they're banning them or not have a very minor impact on the gameplay. The only impact is on them lying on the player count - but I'd have as much fun with 200 concurrent players than with 1 billion as long as the matchmaking isn't impacted.
I'm not having any stocks in Amazon or SmileGate, so why should I care about the playercount as long as the game is providing me some fun hours ? I could be the only one dude playing in the known universe, that wouldn't be a problem as long as it doesn't block me.

Of course I can understand the complaints from people playing on a crowded server, having bots online while you're stuck in a queue is the worst

Chaos dungeons are fun. If people think that this braindead content where AHK scripts can clear it is actually fun - they are idiots. You literally have to have low IQ to enjoy chaos dungeons.

Just because you don't enjoy that doesn't mean they're not fun to some people. I don't enjoy chess , yet you don't see me insulting chess players for having low IQ to do that instead of playing Call of Duty.
I'm having moderate amounts of fun in Chaos Dungeons (not terrible, but not great either). They could definitely be scaled up by a good 200% for the timer to be any relevant and to provide some sort of challenge, I'm fully on board with you here. Different maps to be less static would've been a plus too.
But it's the entry grindy content, I think it's not aimed at being challenging, hence why the braindead difficulty.

People who enjoy game for different reasons - good people, I would still be enjoying the game (by botting, I would bot so hard; and if they fixed infinite chaos dungeon - by buying chinese bot gold so hard), if pugs wouldn't suck complete balls like they don't in RU.

You have elitist expectations and that's hella weird when you PUG on a F2P game. Usually elitists are playing around with a group of friends / guild, with matching skill level, you simply can't expect everyone to play flawlessly using the matchmaking on a F2P game.
I played some high-level content in WoW but have no longer time to play guild-related content in any game, so I'm pugging most of it as well, so I've lowered expectations accordingly. And wipes can be fun as well - as long as there is no toxic player around.

[KrayZ33]

it definitely is, if you're using solar mats. If not, then you're just using extra other mats than you should be.

That means you buy stuff in the AH, at that point gold is always the limiting factor because you could just buy everything whenever you have X but need Y and Z and more mats in general, there is no limit to that.
Alternatively, you could just sell the mats you have and buy Solar Mats from that and it should even itself out.

The fact is, that I've gotten way more gold than I had mats to use when I stopped playing at ilvl 1415.

[blackpink]

That means you buy stuff in the AH, at that point gold is always the limiting factor because you could just buy everything whenever you have X but need Y and Z and more mats in general, there is no limit to that.
Alternatively, you could just sell the mats you have and buy Solar Mats from that and it should even itself out.

The fact is, that I've gotten way more gold than I had mats to use when I stopped playing at ilvl 1415.

I don't really get what you're trying to say. Obviously gold isn't a factor at all if you're willing to go at a snail's pace. I wasn't trying to rush anything but honing without using solar mats takes significantly longer, unless you get lucky.

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Such slow class release sucks, but i am happy they seem to be sticking to a raid each month at least. Got to 1465 today, got my relic wep, and deff look forward to vykas hm in a few weeks. hoping to be 3/3/3/3/3 by then, my 3x4 set up is old now lmao

How the hell is 1 class every 2 months slow? Where is that poster to come out and mention "entitled people". lol

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I've never said this game was flawless, it's far from it, but the updates rhythm is good enough so far to keep everyone entertained. The only people who have problems with the game are the ones rushing the content with 15 alts playing 23 hours a day and complaining there isn't enough to do - no shit sherlock

And yes, "hatred" as you clearly left the game a few days ago and you posted some rant about it, yet you're still around this topic insulting the people still enjoying the game.
So yes, grow up, and when you leave a game, stop bashing people who still dare enjoying something you don't. That's adulting 101.

Well idk about that guy, but a lot of the people bitching about slow class releases are just saying it's slow but what they're really mad about is the class they want isn't the next one to be released and they gotta wait months for it.

[Aliven]

I've never said this game was flawless, it's far from it, but the updates rhythm is good enough so far to keep everyone entertained. The only people who have problems with the game are the ones rushing the content with 15 alts playing 23 hours a day and complaining there isn't enough to do - no shit sherlock
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I dont even get beyond ilvl 400 but the game is so fucked up in core principles - basically a mobile pc game, riddled with everything that is wrong with gaming - that i stoped. So i did not rush anything.

[KrayZ33]

I don't really get what you're trying to say. Obviously gold isn't a factor at all if you're willing to go at a snail's pace. I wasn't trying to rush anything but honing without using solar mats takes significantly longer, unless you get lucky.

You can farm Solar Mats as well, if you use gold for ressources then of course gold will be the limiting factor because you can buy every single material you want with it.
If you have to buy Solar Mats, then Solar Mats is the stuff holding you back, or - maybe solar mats aren't the things you should buy anyway.

2x 10% honing chances > 1x 20%

[Daedius]

Honestly regretting putting a lot of time into this game... never have I seen a botting issue so bad as it is here, and AGS doing an incredibly piss poor job of dealing with it. Servers infested with bots 24/7 leaving 5-10k queues that never log out... so players have to wait for other players to log out to move up while also being against new bot accounts.

lol...

You literally have STREAMERS advertising their botting progress into the 1450+, selling bots, and they're not banned? Absolute joke... I've avoided F2P games like the plague for good reason but got suckered into LA due to the hype. Lesson learnt.

[D3athsting]

So I just hit lv50, do I need to finish story and get all arks?

[Daedius]

So I just hit lv50, do I need to finish story and get all arks?

No, but you need to do them to unlock stuff.

[Frostfred]

Honestly regretting putting a lot of time into this game... never have I seen a botting issue so bad as it is here, and AGS doing an incredibly piss poor job of dealing with it. Servers infested with bots 24/7 leaving 5-10k queues that never log out... so players have to wait for other players to log out to move up while also being against new bot accounts.

You literally have STREAMERS advertising their botting progress into the 1450+, selling bots, and they're not banned? Absolute joke... I've avoided F2P games like the plague for good reason but got suckered into LA due to the hype. Lesson learnt.

wtf at that image.

Which server? There are lots of bots on EUC as well, but I haven't seen Chinese ship names, yet. EUC bots seem to be all on english clients. Or are shipnames based on the own client, if they were never renamed? I also haven't had a queue since the initial rush when the game was released. Maybe they target the US market more, or just big servers - according to the log in screen, mine seems to be one of the least populated ones in EUC.

Though I really feel the difference in the connection. There seems to have been a bot ban-wave in the past two weeks sometime. All servers were at low population, and the difference was notable. Two days later, it was back to normal - I guess around 200-300 ms ping constantly playing from US on EU, with spikes of a second or so. Especially annoying when dodging something with space, only to be teleported back a second later and getting hit by the mob, because on the server you were still standing there.

[D3athsting]

At first i thought berserker was op as hell as only saw them while leveling

[KevyB]

It's good to see people are dropping this pile of shit, "games" like this shouldn't exist in the west.

But hey, i warned ya'll way back in march in this thread that this is exactly how this joke was going to play out, always nice to be right.

[unfilteredJW]

It's good to see people are dropping this pile of shit, "games" like this shouldn't exist in the west.

But hey, i warned ya'll way back in march in this thread that this is exactly how this joke was going to play out, always nice to be right.

Chasing Ws on an internet forum. Lol.

[KevyB]

Nah not chasing anything, just that after tens of thousands of hours in gaming across all kinds of genres one becomes a bit more perceptive as to the direction and worth of market newcomers, just comes with the experience.

Just need to realize, some people are more of an authority as to the quality of games than others

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Nah not chasing anything, just that after tens of thousands of hours in gaming across all kinds of genres one becomes a bit more perceptive as to the direction and worth of market newcomers, just comes with the experience.

Just need to realize, some people are more of an authority as to the quality of games than others

No I think you are just acting arrogant.

[KevyB]

Yeah and i have a right to be, possessing the sufficient knowledge and all.

Don't care to discuss with wannabes about the merits or lack thereof in various gaming related subjects, i've danced all those dances before and am way past wasting my time with it.

My word has worth and veracity backed by raw and very long term experience, no need to get upset about it.

To reiterate, Lost Ark has always been from the first moment it was announced nothing but on obvious hollow money sink, the world was as generic as they come, the classes as uninspired as possible and the mechanics as gamer unfriendly as possible while appearing to be "fun", it was doomed on the western market from the start and the bot issue was all but too obvious (as i clearly outlined in a post back when it launched) anyone who still plays Lost Ark doesn't have a good gusto in terms of how to have fun, or has spent too much on meaningless pixels to let go, it's a brutal but real fact.

Lost Ark is the epitome of everything that MMO experiences *shouldn't* be, and what little worth it has in some of the good systems for collection freaks or flashy action combat - it's all offset by the impure roots of its creation.

As i dabbled heavily in various F2P/premium asian MMOs during the 2004-2010 ERA i recognize the common elements that in the end made those mmos fail in the west, nothing has changed because they (asian origin market) don't need it to change.

[Kyanion]

Nah not chasing anything, just that after tens of thousands of hours in gaming across all kinds of genres one becomes a bit more perceptive as to the direction and worth of market newcomers, just comes with the experience.

Just need to realize, some people are more of an authority as to the quality of games than others

Yeah and i have a right to be, possessing the sufficient knowledge and all
My word has worth and veracity backed by raw and very long term experience, no need to get upset about it.

Playing lots of different games for lots of hours does not make you an authority on how a game may or may not do in a market. But hey, you weren't here for people to tell you that.

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As i dabbled heavily in various F2P/premium asian MMOs during the 2004-2010 ERA i recognize the common elements that in the end made those mmos fail in the west, nothing has changed because they (asian origin market) don't need it to change.

And it took you 6 years to realize that?

[Ghost of Cow]

Chasing Ws on an internet forum. Lol.

Damn, this is ironic.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yeah and i have a right to be, possessing the sufficient knowledge and all.

Don't care to discuss with wannabes about the merits or lack thereof in various gaming related subjects, i've danced all those dances before and am way past wasting my time with it.

My word has worth and veracity backed by raw and very long term experience, no need to get upset about it.

To reiterate, Lost Ark has always been from the first moment it was announced nothing but on obvious hollow money sink, the world was as generic as they come, the classes as uninspired as possible and the mechanics as gamer unfriendly as possible while appearing to be "fun", it was doomed on the western market from the start and the bot issue was all but too obvious (as i clearly outlined in a post back when it launched) anyone who still plays Lost Ark doesn't have a good gusto in terms of how to have fun, or has spent too much on meaningless pixels to let go, it's a brutal but real fact.

Lost Ark is the epitome of everything that MMO experiences *shouldn't* be, and what little worth it has in some of the good systems for collection freaks or flashy action combat - it's all offset by the impure roots of its creation.

As i dabbled heavily in various F2P/premium asian MMOs during the 2004-2010 ERA i recognize the common elements that in the end made those mmos fail in the west, nothing has changed because they (asian origin market) don't need it to change.

And it won't matter at the end of the day, other then satisfying your ego.

[blackpink]

Wait, right about what exactly? That people would drop an mmorpg? Whoa, what a shocking thing to be "right" about. It's almost like this happens in literally any mmorpg. It's a dying genre honestly. Outside of WoW, there hasn't been a super stable mmorpg and even ff14 is not that huge. LA is far from dead, and it will probably slim down to what you'd expect from a smaller mmorpg.

[Ophenia]

The amount of salty people who aim at making players feeling guilty playing some game is crazy in that topic. Guess they're the epitome of the Quit Having Fun meme, and that's extremely sad.
That KevyB dude is so deep into it that it's laughable