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  1. #1861
    Quote Originally Posted by Aliven View Post
    Why make boring trap? Why people NEED to research if this game is not made with psychologicall tricks in mind to fuck you over? Why should anybody be on guard? This is supposed to be entertainment.

    You are actually justifing your spendings. I dont deny the gameplay, feel and mechanics - they are fun. They are. But fuck the devs, fuck the cult of piss river and everyone who implemented those tricks.

    Devs should ABSOLUTELY make everything in their power to not implement tricks which prey on vulnerables. Look, if i know how manipulation and propaganda works, then are you saying im ok with using both to get what i want? Really? No tingle on moral compass?
    You're watching to many Asomngold/Bellular/Yongyea videos

    Jokes aside, i agree it's a shit practice. Again, i'm not justifying p2w or better, i'm not justifying the fact they're trying to hide the p2w mechanics behind 1000 different currencies (it's only 4, but it's 3 too many).

    You call for devs to act on this, but they simply won't. You're telling them to stop making that much money, and they obviously won't. But i fully agree the scope of concealments has reached a point where intervention is needed.

    Personally i don't see any issue in making everything just straight $$$ priced, full disclosed and everything. If i want to spend money, i'll know exactly how much i've spent or need to and decide if i want to. Fortunately i have enough self control to not spend money on these kind of stuff (cosmetics are another thing) but i can see how many people gets hooked and is oblivious to the grand total of money they have actually spent.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  2. #1862
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post

    You call for devs to act on this, but they simply won't. You're telling them to stop making that much money, and they obviously won't. But i fully agree the scope of concealments has reached a point where intervention is needed.
    I would like for them to act but i know they wont. The only power I have is over myself so i choose not to play those games, even if they are f2p or free to try at least.
    There are more games than there is time left for me on this planet so will be picky

  3. #1863
    I quit after I hit the 1340 wall.
    My wait paid off!

    Now the Hyper Express Event will help me to reach 1370 without grind or spend real money.
    LoL at the people who paid real money to reach 1370.

  4. #1864
    Quote Originally Posted by xenogear3 View Post
    I quit after I hit the 1340 wall.
    My wait paid off!

    Now the Hyper Express Event will help me to reach 1370 without grind or spend real money.
    LoL at the people who paid real money to reach 1370.
    I didn't even use the event, it was doable without it Anyway i'm leveling my Arcanist, damn if she's fun to play.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  5. #1865
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    I didn't even use the event, it was doable without it Anyway i'm leveling my Arcanist, damn if she's fun to play.
    Without the event, the fail rate is too high, like 85%.

    I killed argos. Thanks to a P2W guy who did 60% damage in a 8man raid !
    I got 30 blood first week. After that 10 blood each week.
    That will take 5 weeks for a full set.

    Nothing else will help me to progress.

  6. #1866
    It really is stupid easy to reach 1370 now in comparison to before Wednesday. Not just the honing chance buffs, but also for the massive reduction in mats. I understand that it goes back to being a shitshow again after 1370, though.

  7. #1867
    Quote Originally Posted by Fkiolaris View Post
    It really is stupid easy to reach 1370 now in comparison to before Wednesday. Not just the honing chance buffs, but also for the massive reduction in mats. I understand that it goes back to being a shitshow again after 1370, though.
    Not really imho. You just stop going for honing and hunt for soecific engravings and talents. Honing is limited by the weekly drops so you just use all you have and then wait for the next week or use alta to funnel more materials.

    Gear is just meant to be an unlock system for content. When you reach a threshold, you have enough of everything to beat the bosses.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  8. #1868
    Quote Originally Posted by xenogear3 View Post
    Without the event, the fail rate is too high, like 85%.

    I killed argos. Thanks to a P2W guy who did 60% damage in a 8man raid !
    I got 30 blood first week. After that 10 blood each week.
    That will take 5 weeks for a full set.

    Nothing else will help me to progress.
    You can complete the Argos set with Oreha’s. That’s good enough

  9. #1869
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    Not really imho. You just stop going for honing and hunt for soecific engravings and talents. Honing is limited by the weekly drops so you just use all you have and then wait for the next week or use alta to funnel more materials.

    Gear is just meant to be an unlock system for content. When you reach a threshold, you have enough of everything to beat the bosses.
    I never said anything about engravings or talents, just reaching 1370 item level and that is objectively, substantially easier and cheaper now. I went from 1345 to 1370 with less than what I gathered from last week in terms of gold and mats from doing dailies/weeklies/Unas on a single character and my comment was specifically about that, nothing else.

  10. #1870
    Quote Originally Posted by Fkiolaris View Post
    I never said anything about engravings or talents, just reaching 1370 item level and that is objectively, substantially easier and cheaper now. I went from 1345 to 1370 with less than what I gathered from last week in terms of gold and mats from doing dailies/weeklies/Unas on a single character and my comment was specifically about that, nothing else.
    You said it was a "shitshow again" after 1370, pretty sure that's what they were replying to.

  11. #1871
    Quote Originally Posted by Fkiolaris View Post
    It really is stupid easy to reach 1370 now in comparison to before Wednesday. Not just the honing chance buffs, but also for the massive reduction in mats. I understand that it goes back to being a shitshow again after 1370, though.
    nah, 1400 is still real easy after 1370. honestly 1415 is pretty easy as well if you do the 2 pieces to 17 method\\

    any f2p player that has been playing with release should be 1460 min easily by now and likely have a few 1400 alts.

  12. #1872
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    You said it was a "shitshow again" after 1370, pretty sure that's what they were replying to.
    Fair enough, I misread it then.

  13. #1873
    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    nah, 1400 is still real easy after 1370. honestly 1415 is pretty easy as well if you do the 2 pieces to 17 method\\

    any f2p player that has been playing with release should be 1460 min easily by now and likely have a few 1400 alts.
    That's kind of a stretch. I started soon after release, playing casually, and my main is still not 1415. About 1-2 months to get through the first continents and reach T1, then roughly a month per tier - T3 obviously much more, as 1302-1370 is (was) slower than T1 or T2, and 1370-1415 is again slower. I'm getting roughly enough mats for one item from 14 to 15 per week right now, so only 1410 to 1415 on the entire gear is about 5 weeks (seeing weapon mats go on the side, and usually when I have everything else up, the weapon's up, too).
    Maybe "any f2p player that has been playing a lot since release and has been pushing chars and item level, maximizing alts and doing everything every week on multiple chars should be 1460 now..." would be more accurate.

    [e] 1415 now. After having weapon, gloves, shoulders at 100%, head went well in the hone before reaching 100%, and legs / chest went well in the first try (just using 10% books).
    Last edited by Frostfred; 2022-07-24 at 03:48 PM.

  14. #1874
    Quote Originally Posted by Frostfred View Post
    That's kind of a stretch. I started soon after release, playing casually, and my main is still not 1415. About 1-2 months to get through the first continents and reach T1, then roughly a month per tier - T3 obviously much more, as 1302-1370 is (was) slower than T1 or T2, and 1370-1415 is again slower. I'm getting roughly enough mats for one item from 14 to 15 per week right now, so only 1410 to 1415 on the entire gear is about 5 weeks (seeing weapon mats go on the side, and usually when I have everything else up, the weapon's up, too).
    Maybe "any f2p player that has been playing a lot since release and has been pushing chars and item level, maximizing alts and doing everything every week on multiple chars should be 1460 now..." would be more accurate.

    [e] 1415 now. After having weapon, gloves, shoulders at 100%, head went well in the hone before reaching 100%, and legs / chest went well in the first try (just using 10% books).
    1-2 months to reach t1 is far slower then casual. thats barely playing at all. the story is only 15 hours or so for a first timer. you would not need to min/max to be 1460 by now playing from release, my buddy has 125 hours played and is 1415 with a 1400 alt. dude plays once or twice a week for 2-3 hours, sometimes less.

    it is worth noting luck is a factor too. especially for hyper casuals like yourself, it will play a much bigger role. the more you play, the less honing luck matters. so people playing a very tiny amount will have very different item levels based on luck alone.
    Last edited by The Oblivion; 2022-07-24 at 07:19 PM.

  15. #1875
    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    1-2 months to reach t1 is far slower then casual. thats barely playing at all. the story is only 15 hours or so for a first timer. you would not need to min/max to be 1460 by now playing from release, my buddy has 125 hours played and is 1415 with a 1400 alt. dude plays once or twice a week for 2-3 hours, sometimes less.

    it is worth noting luck is a factor too. especially for hyper casuals like yourself, it will play a much bigger role. the more you play, the less honing luck matters. so people playing a very tiny amount will have very different item levels based on luck alone.
    Only if you spacebarred your way to 50 while ignoring everything other than the orange quests. I like to explore a bit the world, systems and side quests when I first start an MMO and it took me about 50 hours to get there. Not saying one way is better or worse than the other, just that it should not be expected that everyone plays the same way.

  16. #1876
    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    1-2 months to reach t1 is far slower then casual. thats barely playing at all. the story is only 15 hours or so for a first timer. you would not need to min/max to be 1460 by now playing from release, my buddy has 125 hours played and is 1415 with a 1400 alt. dude plays once or twice a week for 2-3 hours, sometimes less.

    it is worth noting luck is a factor too. especially for hyper casuals like yourself, it will play a much bigger role. the more you play, the less honing luck matters. so people playing a very tiny amount will have very different item levels based on luck alone.
    As Fkiolaris mentioned, 15 hours seems rushed. Doing main and side quests on the way and reading all the quest texts, I think it took me around 3 times as much time (pure guess). Also, as I play with friends from EU but live in the US, we were limited in the overlap of our spare time. We only played on Saturday for 'progress', delaying the part till we reached T1. These days, we keep the weekly stuff for the weekends, but also play individually during the week and (at least I) try to never overcap the rested energy. But, even disregarding that initial time, I seriously doubt we'll be able to reach 1460 within 1-2 months now.

    The part with luck is so true, though. I already did the T3 tower, and all the mats from it + around 5k gold extra in the auction house were needed just to keep the item level in line with my other friend still playing, and she hasn't even set foot in the T3 tower or bought anything. Add to that the extra gold spent on tries and to craft fusion mats in the stronghold. She was just that much more lucky when honing.
    Last edited by Frostfred; 2022-07-24 at 09:27 PM.

  17. #1877
    Damn, that honing buff + powerpass is crazy. Went 1302-1370 on my sharpshooter in two days, with only the mats given from the event itself. Only needed to buy ~10 Oreha green mats to finish the +14>+15 on my weapon as it decided to go one step before pity.

    But then the downsides... Impossible to do Argos P1 matchmaking due to the amount of unstuff people who didn't even try to get good engravings (despite the 50 boxes of legendary accessories that give you a correct chance at getting some good ones). I've painfully done it on my Gunslinger after like 7-8 different groups, but didn't succeed on the sharpshooter.
    The lack of patience of this community doesn't help, even when the first try was good, some dude always called for raid cancelling.

  18. #1878
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    You said it was a "shitshow again" after 1370, pretty sure that's what they were replying to.
    Basically this. 1370 is where the endgame starts and you're locked by weekly raid lockouts.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Damn, that honing buff + powerpass is crazy. Went 1302-1370 on my sharpshooter in two days, with only the mats given from the event itself. Only needed to buy ~10 Oreha green mats to finish the +14>+15 on my weapon as it decided to go one step before pity.

    But then the downsides... Impossible to do Argos P1 matchmaking due to the amount of unstuff people who didn't even try to get good engravings (despite the 50 boxes of legendary accessories that give you a correct chance at getting some good ones). I've painfully done it on my Gunslinger after like 7-8 different groups, but didn't succeed on the sharpshooter.
    The lack of patience of this community doesn't help, even when the first try was good, some dude always called for raid cancelling.
    Poit is you just need to buy some in the AH XD it's really easy to get some nice thigs going until we're taliign Grudge/Cursed because that's the real gear wall you're going to find.

    Especially since they're really worth at max level and not really before that.
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  19. #1879
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    Poit is you just need to buy some in the AH XD it's really easy to get some nice thigs going until we're taliign Grudge/Cursed because that's the real gear wall you're going to find.

    Especially since they're really worth at max level and not really before that.
    Well, Grudge and Cursed Doll's problems is that it's not really usable on 1370 char anyway, as it's Rank 3 or nothing - so when you have limited gearing options, probably better to have multiple R2 engraving than one R3.

    But this week, it seemed none of the boosted chars even tried to get proper things. I spent some time opening my 50 boxes in a smart way to optimize my stats+engravings on accessories as much as I could and I got some cool results, but it seems other people didn't even try, they preferred hopping directly into Argos hoping to be carried...

  20. #1880
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Well, Grudge and Cursed Doll's problems is that it's not really usable on 1370 char anyway, as it's Rank 3 or nothing - so when you have limited gearing options, probably better to have multiple R2 engraving than one R3.

    But this week, it seemed none of the boosted chars even tried to get proper things. I spent some time opening my 50 boxes in a smart way to optimize my stats+engravings on accessories as much as I could and I got some cool results, but it seems other people didn't even try, they preferred hopping directly into Argos hoping to be carried...
    Yeah, on my wardancer (the only char i have at 1370 cause i stopped playing after 300 hours or so) i worked my way to 3-3-2 with raid captain and ambush master as they are the best ones after Grudge/Cursed. Now i can do the content and try to reach 3-3-3-something with one of the two
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

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