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  1. #401
    Quote Originally Posted by mrgreenthump View Post
    Considering it's a node shrink.. Sort of. But it's still an efficiency gain over Turing. Albeit a very slight one.
    So where did the 1.9x efficiency came from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yizu View Post
    So where did the 1.9x efficiency came from?
    At ~240w a 3080 1.9x more performance per watt than a 2080

    But it doesn't run at 240w, so.. <.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    They said double performance in ray tracing, or 1.9x performance per watt. Both are true, but also not the whole picture.



    Nah, 750w should be more than enough.
    Maybe 850 if you're planning on a 3090.

    I mean, the 3080 is 330-370w, and CPUs are generally <200. So ~550w total, add in 20w more for RAM, RGB stuffs, and you're still below 600w total system. That said, if you want to hit the efficiency sweetspot, you're probably looking at an 1100w.. But that's just a waste of money, really.
    You gotta consider transient power peaks as well. Pretty much all new GPU's cause these occasionally as a result of their boosting mechanisms. It's not uncommon to see ~100-200W peaks above their rated power draw. This can trip the overcurrent protection on some PSU's or simply cause voltage dips and crashes on other PSU's. It was an issue already with last gen GPU's and some PSU's (famously the Seasonic Focus GX lineup before they made a new version with more relaxed OCP limits).

    If you have a very high quality 650W PSU you're maybe probably fine but I'd also recommend a high quality 750W.

  4. #404
    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph....html?start=26

    Some interesting numbers when lowering the power limit. 10%ish lower performance when running at 250w.
    Guess it will be better to just undervolt the cards, usually leads to less power usage while keeping the performance. In some cases you even get better performanceas temps go down.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    I'm on a 1440 so my 2070s is more than fine for the next few years

    If I were to get a 3080 I'd need a new PSU and likely a new mobo, at that point I'm spending a lot more than I feel is worth

    Just gonna wait for the 40xx series and go for a whole new rig

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    That is amazing value - I'd feel so bad if I'd bought a 2080ti
    Where's that guy that was saying you'd need a brand new CPU and mobo with PCIE4 to keep from bottlenecking this card? LOL, maybe at 480p or 1080p 240+Hz...

  6. #406
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoofey View Post
    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph....html?start=26

    Some interesting numbers when lowering the power limit. 10%ish lower performance when running at 250w.
    Guess it will be better to just undervolt the cards, usually leads to less power usage while keeping the performance. In some cases you even get better performanceas temps go down.
    Whew, i was actually having second thoughts on getting a 3080 because the idea of it being a space heater, i live in a tropical country with absurd electricity costs. I guess im getting the cheapest 3080 and just do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakadam View Post
    You gotta consider transient power peaks as well. Pretty much all new GPU's cause these occasionally as a result of their boosting mechanisms. It's not uncommon to see ~100-200W peaks above their rated power draw. This can trip the overcurrent protection on some PSU's or simply cause voltage dips and crashes on other PSU's. It was an issue already with last gen GPU's and some PSU's (famously the Seasonic Focus GX lineup before they made a new version with more relaxed OCP limits).

    If you have a very high quality 650W PSU you're maybe probably fine but I'd also recommend a high quality 750W.
    Yeah, that's true. But that can be overcome with some light undervolting, but you'll still be riding close to the redline on a 650w

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    I will try to snatch a card today from several sources.

    If I fail, I found MSI RTX 2080Ti Trio X for about €550.
    I might buy that and wait for the refresh or AMD response.

    I can't fucking stand this integrated GPU anymore, and my HP Reverb G2 is coming in a couple of weeks.

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    Not sure which 3080 to buy currently have a zotac card (1070 mini) but chose that at the time due to it being cheap, but if i am spending £650~ I'd rather spend a bit more for a better one. Any suggestions or too early to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypasonic View Post
    Not sure which 3080 to buy ������ currently have a zotac card (1070 mini) but chose that at the time due to it being cheap, but if i am spending £650~ I'd rather spend a bit more for a better one. Any suggestions or too early to say?
    Too early to say. That said, ASUS Strix has always been decently high quality but expensive. If you can swing the cash for it, it might be your best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoofey View Post
    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph....html?start=26

    Some interesting numbers when lowering the power limit. 10%ish lower performance when running at 250w.
    Guess it will be better to just undervolt the cards, usually leads to less power usage while keeping the performance. In some cases you even get better performanceas temps go down.
    Heh, heh, if you buy a top end card and undervolt, you're doing it wrong.
    I want a custom bios with 400w power limit so I can overclock the crap out of it.

  13. #413
    From a review:

    The power draw under intensive gaming for the GeForce RTX 3080 is significant. We measured it to be in the 340 Watt range. Now, that is a peak value under stressed conditions. Gaming wise, that number will fluctuate a bit. Are we happy with that amount of energy consumption in the year 2020? No, not at all. Will you as an end consumer care about it? We doubt that as well.

    I wonder when we will get a 75W card with ray-tracing capabilities. Last card with feasable passive cooling was the 1650.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Too early to say. That said, ASUS Strix has always been decently high quality but expensive. If you can swing the cash for it, it might be your best bet.
    Looks like the Strix 3080 and 3090 will use the same 2.9 slot cooler. So while the Strix series has a big pricetag attached to it, you'll at least get one of the biggest and best coolers out there along with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    Heh, heh, if you buy a top end card and undervolt, you're doing it wrong.
    I want a custom bios with 400w power limit so I can overclock the crap out of it.
    Will be many cases where undervolting will be worth it.

    Small formfactor cases, people using 4k@60hz monitors who wont really mind a 5% performance loss as it wont matter, or just people who aims to have their rig running as quiet as possible.

    I used to be an overclocker, but these days I value a quiet rig more than one that gives me 5-10% more fps. And I cba to use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoofey View Post
    Looks like the Strix 3080 and 3090 will use the same 2.9 slot cooler. So while the Strix series has a big pricetag attached to it, you'll at least get one of the biggest and best coolers out there along with it.
    Yeah, that's what I figured as well. And ASUS has generally cared a lot about their Strix lineup, making sure it's always close to the top of aircooled cards

    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    From a review:

    The power draw under intensive gaming for the GeForce RTX 3080 is significant. We measured it to be in the 340 Watt range. Now, that is a peak value under stressed conditions. Gaming wise, that number will fluctuate a bit. Are we happy with that amount of energy consumption in the year 2020? No, not at all. Will you as an end consumer care about it? We doubt that as well.

    I wonder when we will get a 75W card with ray-tracing capabilities. Last card with feasable passive cooling was the 1650.
    I'm expecting a 3050 to run at <100w and be capable of ray-tracing. Not well, mind you, but still.

    If you want a 75w GPU to do ray tracing well, come back in a decade or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    I'm expecting a 3050 to run at <100w and be capable of ray-tracing. Not well, mind you, but still.
    The older I get the more noise is a concern for me. I have a passive cooled 1050Ti which is enough for WoW, Doom 2016 and similar old games. I feel left out in the GeForce 20 and 30 series.

    I do a lot of homeoffice these days and bought an almost silent mini pc specifically for that, working 8 hours a day with a gaming pc would drive me nuts over time.

  17. #417
    Been refreshing multiple sites for the last 35 minutes just in case someone lists early, not that I’m expecting anyone to. The suspense is terrific.

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Been refreshing multiple sites for the last 35 minutes just in case someone lists early, not that I’m expecting anyone to. The suspense is terrific.
    Just a few more minutes!

  19. #419
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Been refreshing multiple sites for the last 35 minutes just in case someone lists early, not that I’m expecting anyone to. The suspense is terrific.
    One can hope scalpers somehow screw up their automation and people can find one that isn't bloated above 800.

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    A grand total of 50ish cards available @ Norways biggest interwebs store, mostly cheaper cards.
    Strix \ Gaming X cards etc expected late september. No founders.

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    Just updated again before posting, 15 cards left.

    If you're not buying today, you're probably not getting a card any time soon.

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