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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Im getting the idea people havent even bothered reading terf stuff. Some of these comments xD
    That is, in fact, exactly where I got my framing from.

    They explicitly try and attack a portion of women. That's their entire concept as a movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Im getting the idea people havent even bothered reading terf stuff. Some of these comments xD
    Like TERFs appearing on Heritage panels or WoLF being funded by and working with conservatives? Amy Dyess actually brings the receipts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Im getting the idea people havent even bothered reading terf stuff. Some of these comments xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    Like TERFs appearing on Heritage panels or WoLF being funded by and working with conservatives? Amy Dyess actually brings the receipts.
    Isnt she the one about the powerful international network of lesbians shit??

    Not sure if Im interested in reading her dellusions tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Isnt she the one about the powerful international network of lesbians shit??

    Not sure if Im interested in reading her dellusions tbh
    You didn't even read the link, huh? And nope, she was a homeless butch lesbian brought into the gender crit community and turned off of the movement by their working with HATA and Heritage and Julie Bindel's claims of political lesbianism -- i.e. that being gay is a choice.

    She also provided numerous screenshots of texts with prominent terfs working with the hard right.

    Congrats, you're a nutty right winger and my guess is the extent of your political activism is posting on social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    You didn't even read the link, huh? And nope, she was a homeless butch lesbian brought into the gender crit community and turned off of the movement by their working with HATA and Heritage and Julie Bindel's claims of political lesbianism -- i.e. that being gay is a choice.

    She also provided numerous screenshots of texts with prominent terfs working with the hard right.

    Congrats, you're a nutty right winger and my guess is the extent of your political activism is posting on social media.
    That was already obvious once he started making jokes about Pinochet's helicopter flights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    All "feminist" means is "believes that women should have political and social equality, and equitable treatment by society".

    If you've got a problem with that, yeah, you're a misogynist. This is a binary issue; you're a feminist, or a mysoginist.

    I guess there could be a third option, but that's female supremacism, a desire for a matriarchy, and basically no one advocates that seriously. Outside of that, it's a binary with no overlap.
    Read the post I responded to. If you're saying feminism is the default state of a normal person that respects other people regardless of their gender, then you're watering down the definition to a point of it becoming useless, ie. synonymous with "civilized human being".

    It's not a binary issue. Things rarely are. I respect women as much as every other person. What I don't respect is feminazis having successfully subverted the original feminist movement and started talking about agendas like privilege. That's a fun little word, isn't it. White privilege, male privilege. Nobody really explains what it means, but it can be loaded up with basically whatever you want it to mean. So, if you want to call me a mysoginist because I am repulsed by the American tendency to be hysteric and dramatic about their fucking breakfast not screaming "we love gays" the second they open a cereal box while at the same time unlearning their own native language to a point where they don't even fucking know what they're on about, go right ahead.

    Meanwhile, in the normal parts of the world, you can absolutely be a decent human being without subscribing to movements that have devolved into hatespeech. You can treat people with respect without a fucking manual, because if you need a manual, something is clearly wrong with you to begin with. And if being a feminist is the only thing that makes you respect women, you can go and stick your opinion where the sun doesn't shine.

    True equality, TRUE equality won't be here until the need for feminists to exist is over. The real trick is, how do you decide feminism has become obsolete when it's a political campaign with millions of budgets running? Cos as is always the case in the US, if there's a quick buck to be made, you never stop.

    Which brings me to your last sentence, I can be non-feminist without targeting women for mistreatment and abuse. What the fuck is wrong with you? If I need a fucking arbitrary label made up by Tik tok idiots to declare that I'm a decent human being, I wonder if it's me that's the problem or if the world is just so fucked up that I don't need to bother giving a toss about it.

    What would you like me to be? Hang on, I'll give it a shot... the PC label for a decent human being, and please always use the full name: A feminist, LGBT, Green, pro-Choice, republican-democrat, non-discriminatory, multi-theist, vegan, multicultural and otherwise completely non-descript person that has subscribed to at least two dozen charities and has the hobby of donating for people wherever he sees it. Of course he'll spend every single holiday in some random homeless kitchen and build homes for free, too.

    Is that it? Is that the only acceptable way to exist for you? Or are you just picking your topic of the day depending on what you're talking about?

    That post was oh, so very disappointing, Endus. I expect better from you than emotional bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    That was already obvious once he started making jokes about Pinochet's helicopter flights.
    My experience is that people like NED are primarily doing nothing but still getting angry over "SJWs" as if it's still 2016. The fact that some have curdled into gender crits is par for the course and likely has a similar trajectory to other right ward online movement politics. There's a bunch of internal language and a dedication to activism that directly ignores what their supposed enemies are accomplishing and looking to achieve. Particularly in the US, for example, LGBTQ issues revolve around statutory action and support. I mean, if you support LGB people and women there are a thousand better things you could be doing, and most of them aren't even politics based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    That was already obvious once he started making jokes about Pinochet's helicopter flights.
    Out of curiosity I just checked all of my infractions and I dont think Ive ever made that joke. You must be confusing me with someone else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Read the post I responded to. If you're saying feminism is the default state of a normal person that respects other people regardless of their gender, then you're watering down the definition to a point of it becoming useless, ie. synonymous with "civilized human being".
    I don't expect it to be a "default state".

    But it is a baseline for being a decent person.

    It's not a binary issue. Things rarely are. I respect women as much as every other person. What I don't respect is feminazis having successfully subverted the original feminist movement and started talking about agendas like privilege. That's a fun little word, isn't it. White privilege, male privilege. Nobody really explains what it means, but it can be loaded up with basically whatever you want it to mean. So, if you want to call me a mysoginist because I am repulsed by the American tendency to be hysteric and dramatic about their fucking breakfast not screaming "we love gays" the second they open a cereal box while at the same time unlearning their own native language to a point where they don't even fucking know what they're on about, go right ahead.
    Let's see;

    Using "feminazi" unapologetically.
    Contesting the concept of "privilege", which is uncontroversial outside of extremist right-wing circles.
    Outright homophobia.
    Confusion about how language fundamentally functions.

    You're not helping your case with any of this.

    Meanwhile, in the normal parts of the world, you can absolutely be a decent human being without subscribing to movements that have devolved into hatespeech. You can treat people with respect without a fucking manual, because if you need a manual, something is clearly wrong with you to begin with. And if being a feminist is the only thing that makes you respect women, you can go and stick your opinion where the sun doesn't shine.
    If you aren't a feminist, you don't respect women.

    It isn't something that makes you respect women; you have this backwards. If you respect women, you'll be a feminist. That's the natural outcome of that respect.

    I have no idea how you got yourself this twisted-up about a really simple concept.

    True equality, TRUE equality won't be here until the need for feminists to exist is over.
    Which can only happen through the continued advocacy of feminism. Because that goal has not remotely been achieved.

    The real trick is, how do you decide feminism has become obsolete when it's a political campaign with millions of budgets running? Cos as is always the case in the US, if there's a quick buck to be made, you never stop.
    This is abject nonsense. We're talking about a generic term for support for women's equality and equity, and by virtue of that, equality and equity for all genders.

    You're trying to reframe that into a single political advocacy group with a particular budget, and that's just obviously wrong.

    Which brings me to your last sentence, I can be non-feminist without targeting women for mistreatment and abuse.
    If you're non-feminist, you oppose women being treated equitably and fairly.

    Which means you're targeting women for mistreatment and abuse.

    You literally can't be non-feminist without doing so, at least passively.

    What the fuck is wrong with you? If I need a fucking arbitrary label made up by Tik tok idiots to declare that I'm a decent human being, I wonder if it's me that's the problem or if the world is just so fucked up that I don't need to bother giving a toss about it.
    You mean a fairly well-defined label made up originally by Charles Fourier in 1837.

    I'm not convinced you actually know what you're talking about, at this point.

    What would you like me to be? Hang on, I'll give it a shot... the PC label for a decent human being, and please always use the full name: A feminist, LGBT, Green, pro-Choice, republican-democrat, non-discriminatory, multi-theist, vegan, multicultural and otherwise completely non-descript person that has subscribed to at least two dozen charities and has the hobby of donating for people wherever he sees it. Of course he'll spend every single holiday in some random homeless kitchen and build homes for free, too.
    You can scratch "republican-democrat" out of there, as well as "vegan".

    The rest? Yes, basic expectations for being a decent, informed human being. Opposing them necessarily involves some level of bigotry and/or denial of basic scientific fact. Often both.

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    When I was younger, I would say that I held certain things like a stance on transgenders using the bathroom of they gender they associate with rather than sex they were born as was wrong. Born male, use the male restroom. But, as I grew up, I realize that most people go to a bathroom to use a bathroom and you aren't any more or less safe just because a certain person is there. (Meaning, that before transgender bathroom rights, there was literally nothing stopping a man from going into the women's room).

    Essentially, the stance of "It makes women more unsafe" is built on a lie that it being "born women only" made them safe. First off, women can hurt other women. Secondly, as I stated nothing prevents a man from entering a woman's room. 3rd, even if men could lie about being transgender ... it applies to all men, a woman can literally ask her husband, boyfriend, etc ... to come in and just pretend to be transgender. So, it is arguably more safe overall than less safe.

    And again, the vast majority of people go to the bathroom to use the bathroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    You didn't even read the link, huh? And nope, she was a homeless butch lesbian brought into the gender crit community and turned off of the movement by their working with HATA and Heritage and Julie Bindel's claims of political lesbianism -- i.e. that being gay is a choice.

    She also provided numerous screenshots of texts with prominent terfs working with the hard right.

    Congrats, you're a nutty right winger and my guess is the extent of your political activism is posting on social media.
    I finished reading the article and my guess was right, she is the one about the powerful network of lesbians

    Back then, Amy was connected to an international network of powerful lesbians.
    Idk what to say tbh, chose your groups wisely and dont associate with nutsos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Out of curiosity I just checked all of my infractions and I dont think Ive ever made that joke. You must be confusing me with someone else
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post45643022
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post45643316
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post49321301

    Just a few examples from the most obvious search of your posting history.

    So no. They aren't.

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    That Republicans are conservites. When I was young it was mostly true. Now they are just about corporate welfare and stock holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Idk what to say tbh, chose your groups wisely and dont associate with nutsos.
    So, your point is character assassination not addressing that you support people who have allied with the hard right? How can you consider yourself a radical feminist then?

    That seems par for the course given what was said below and given how weak your seemingly activism actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Well, this is starkly unsurprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This is when the Zoomers would say, "Yikes."
    I had become too accustomed to the pseudo-Left new style, whereby if your opponent thought he had identified your lowest possible motive, he was quite certain that he had isolated the only real one. This vulgar method, which is now the norm and the standard in much non-Left journalism as well, is designed to have the effect of making any noisy moron into a master analyst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Those are obviously tongue in cheek but whatever I guess you are right. I forgot about it since its been two years

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post
    So, your point is character assassination not addressing that you support people who have allied with the hard right? How can you consider yourself a radical feminist then?

    That seems par for the course given what was said below and given how weak your seemingly activism actually is.
    My response is that you choose the groups that you want to support. There are multiple groups that support left wing politics some are deranged, some arent thats kinda of the point. I chose my TERF groups differently, I have never even heard of HATA up until today

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Those are obviously tongue in cheek but whatever I guess you are right. I forgot about it since its been two years

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    My response is that you choose the groups that you want to support. There are multiple groups that support left wing politics some are deranged, some arent thats kinda of the point. I chose my TERF groups differently, I have never even heard of HATA up until today
    "i'm being unironic"
    "Its tongue-in-cheek"

    Hmmmm, going for that right-wing trope of redefining words, are we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    My response is that you choose the groups that you want to support. There are multiple groups that support left wing politics some are deranged, some arent thats kinda of the point. I chose my TERF groups differently, I have never even heard of HATA up until today
    Because you're an ancillary social media account, and, judging by your posts, you've built that presence entirely on an anti-SJW criticism of the left -- a concept that even further distances you from feminist core action. The people represented in the article are the groups who are actively involved in the gender crit movement, and they're entirely dependent on right wing money and legal systems. There is no alternative because gender crits don't have any active presence in the left at this point outside of pretending to do so on social media.

    This is why you're a right winger and not even a TERF. You're obviously not a radical feminist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    That's a fun little word, isn't it. White privilege, male privilege. Nobody really explains what it means, but it can be loaded up with basically whatever you want it to mean.
    It means the same thing it means anywhere. More often than not, being white is an advantage compared to not being white. More often than not, being male is an advantage compared to not being male. You can argue against that if you don't believe it, but it's not obscure what people are talking about when they use those terms.

    Meanwhile, in the normal parts of the world, you can absolutely be a decent human being without subscribing to movements that have devolved into hatespeech. You can treat people with respect without a fucking manual, because if you need a manual, something is clearly wrong with you to begin with.
    So it doesn't matter whether women think you're treating them with respect, as long as you think you're treating them with respect?

    True equality, TRUE equality won't be here until the need for feminists to exist is over. The real trick is, how do you decide feminism has become obsolete when it's a political campaign with millions of budgets running? Cos as is always the case in the US, if there's a quick buck to be made, you never stop.
    You decide whether feminism is obsolete by looking, let's say at the US and asking yourself: is it no longer an inherent disadvantage to be a woman?

    If I need a fucking arbitrary label made up by Tik tok idiots to declare that I'm a decent human being, I wonder if it's me that's the problem or if the world is just so fucked up that I don't need to bother giving a toss about it.
    There's no way you actually believe feminism was invented on Tik Tok.

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