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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    If you paid attention to the words on the screen you would see that I never told you anything. Or for that matter anyone. I gave my opinion of their responses and used general words like "people" and "some" instead of specific words like "you". The zone was not revamped graphically but its purpose was. It was turned into a end-game relevant zone even if just for the pre-patch. That still qualifies as a revamp.
    Oh okay. Now you're going to argue semantics.

    You directly compared it to two zones that were entirely remade with new graphics and assets.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by strangerdanger View Post
    It's been a long time since we've been back to Icecrown so yeah I'm pretty excited about it too.

    Surprised to see so much negativity..
    Just a sign of the times i think. BfA didnt exactly spark joy, and there is quite a lot of hushed concern for SL, and obviously the usual vocal concerns as well. I think there is a lot to like about SL, and i think its really good for people to be excited for w/e aspect gets them excited. I love pre-patch stuff - i usually play a LOT during prepatch.

    My opinion is, a LOT of people would benefit from taking a break, dropping their sub, and just waiting for a couple of months before returning. I am taking a break, and it has certainly increased my excitement for SL and the pre-patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonDays View Post
    Oh okay. Now you're going to argue semantics.

    You directly compared it to two zones that were entirely remade with new graphics and assets.
    For whats its worth, you two can fight it out all day for all i care and i dont have a dog in this fight, however, my understanding of a "revamp" would be improving the form, structure, or appearance of something. I guess someone could argue the structure has been changed? Not the physical structure, but rather the structure of the content. Dunno, like i said i dont really have an issue either way, but i dont think its accurate to compare it to situations where the zone had a full revamp including purpose, structure, visuals etc etc.
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonDays View Post
    Oh okay. Now you're going to argue semantics. You directly compared it to two zones that were entirely remade with new graphics and assets.
    It isn't semantics. The higher resolution textures are only one part of the zone revamps. No one went to Darkshore and Arathi just because the stuff was better graphically. They went because of the gameplay which is the same basic formula that is being used in Icecrown for the pre-patch. Arathi and Darkshore (some of Darkshore) use the old assets for mobs and stuff.

    So no it wasn't entirely new graphics and assets. It was just better quality graphics and updated assets but not new. Except for the parts that were modified for story which happens heavily in Darkshore. Which is what I stated in my original post.
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  4. #144
    That they didn't update the Frozen Throne area of outdoor Icecrown to reflect SOMETHING of a presence there besides the same four spires and a blank floor is baffling.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by doffen View Post
    yeah, someone got it....

    mims head too, 10 years and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfrick View Post
    well, if you ask me, Bolvar was a true Jailer of the damed... he hold them in place... and told them to do nothing... then when he felt sylvanas come to him... he did not know of their Maw powers... so in his eyes... she was very weak and he knew he could handle her.
    For someone who is far closer to the realm of the dead than anybody else in Azeroth (except maybe Sylvanas or Bwom boi), he did a pretty awful job.
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Usernameforforums View Post
    damn you rng damn you!!!
    Yep, *angry fist*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Yep, *angry fist*
    one need to pray more to the RNG Gods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But there is no graphic revamp. It's not really like Darkshore or Arathi
    well, that is just a hope, for the future, maybe this is just the start... then in 10.0 we get a totaly Grapic revamp of northrend
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  9. #149
    People like the OP is why i am glad i am gonna buy a boost for questing for pre-patch / expansion release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    People like the OP is why i am glad i am gonna buy a boost for questing for pre-patch / expansion release.
    What do you mean "People Like the OP" ?
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  11. #151
    First and foremost undead can not be resurrected again and again and again, unless they're just constructs. If they die as undead they're dead, especially when their head is destroyed. There is a reason why someone like Sylvanas wanted Valkyr as her safe guard against death. There is a reason why Kelthuzad as the most powerful Lich on Azeroth still created and had his phylactery to regenerate.

    Aside from this, i think if these undead characters went to the Maw, allied themselves with the Jailer, its possible for the Jailer to send them back to Azeroth to wreck havoc in their undead forms. Resurrecting undead requires necromantic power. The more powerful the undead being is or is supposed to be, the more necromantic power is needed. But the Jailer doesn't lack in that regard. To the contrary.

    Just putting them as Rares and World Bosses into Ice Crown is low effort though. Having Scourge invasions in the world, especially in meaningful places, would be better and wouldn't look like a low effort event. Let these Scourge bosses lead armies of undead in certain regions, where it makes sense, for example Lanathel in Quel'thalas, in the Ghostlands and Eversong Forest for example. Something like that. Let these named Scourge characters appear in places where they have lore connections. Even the players turning into ghouls is just another rehash. You tell me after all those years they couldn't have done better? Like let the ghoul players evolve into Abominations, Frostwyrms, Liches and what not? Would that have been so difficult?

    Its just cheap work. But asides from viusals, thats exactly what you can expect from Blizzard these days.

  12. #152
    Seeing how crowded this map is, I am only thankful we can turn pvp OFF otherwise it would be a wpvp ganking fest. Perhaps thats also the point of a preexpansion to let players blow some steam but other than that it seems pretty unimaginative. They just replace the old npcs with new npcs and call it a patch.
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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by strangerdanger View Post
    It's been a long time since we've been back to Icecrown so yeah I'm pretty excited about it too.

    Surprised to see so much negativity..
    Tell that to the guy that is still farming Invincible every week

    OT: For the event we'll just wait and see how it actually plays out, though for me the most exciting thing about pre-patch is trying new class changes and new expansion systems (like levelling revamp which I assume will be in pre-patch?).

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfrick View Post
    What do you mean "People Like the OP" ?
    People that like to do the same old content they already a thousand times before, just reused now and pretending to be brand new. Like no one notices.

    Thats the kind of people i mean.

  15. #155
    Except adding characters that were destroyed to be joke "rare mini-bosse" is not actually cool and doesn't make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izzyfurious View Post
    People that like to do the same old content they already a thousand times before, just reused now and pretending to be brand new. Like no one notices.

    Thats the kind of people i mean.
    well... what do you mean with old?... if you mean with Old... go back to palces we have been and see the story move forward... with characters that we know well and enjoy beeing with... well then that is true... alot of people enjoy old content
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  17. #157
    I love the idea of a world revamp, I want to see more. I know some people are saying this is boring or whatever, but what more can you ask for really? The story isn't over.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    Yeah, awesome, Bring all the dead back because death is not meaningless enough in WoW already
    Yeah, I really hate this route they're going. In WoD it worked because of the alternate universe stuff. But bringing back dead people or travelling into the realm of the dead? Uhm... this is mostly where things go downhill fast and TV shows that are going this route lose a lot of their storytelling qualities because death doesn't mean anything anymore. And this is exactly how Shadowlands feels like (and it's not good).
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  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Yeah, I really hate this route they're going. In WoD it worked because of the alternate universe stuff. But bringing back dead people or travelling into the realm of the dead? Uhm... this is mostly where things go downhill fast and TV shows that are going this route lose a lot of their storytelling qualities because death doesn't mean anything anymore. And this is exactly how Shadowlands feels like (and it's not good).
    Death hasn't meant anything since TBC. Kael'thas returned from the dead to be a boss in a 5-man. Shadow lands is just the "after life" of Warcraft lore. Having an after life with once living people doesn't ruin the quality of a story and has been the foundation of many including Greek mythology.
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  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Yeah, I really hate this route they're going. In WoD it worked because of the alternate universe stuff. But bringing back dead people or travelling into the realm of the dead? Uhm... this is mostly where things go downhill fast and TV shows that are going this route lose a lot of their storytelling qualities because death doesn't mean anything anymore. And this is exactly how Shadowlands feels like (and it's not good).
    I don't think the bosses in the prepatch are considered lore.

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