So I agree with your larger point, I'm not sure how the Winter Queen or the Wild Hunt are the victims here?If there's one thing this forum excels at, it's victim-blaming.
She is not responsible for the anima drought, but that does not mean she is equally not responsible for the decisions she makes in response. She is the person with agency in this case. She choose to call the Wild Hunt, she choose to cull the groves. She very well might have felt like she had no other choice, but she is not the victim. Ursoc is the victim. If you blamed him for dying during a drought and causing himself to be culled, that would be blaming the victim. The Winter Queen is a victim in a lot of ways, but nothing in the Afterlives cinematic made her a victim.
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To add to this ... she could have send a message to Sire Denathrius back then, but she didn't - instead she culled groves with "lesser souls" or something .... that's .... just bad. All loa/wild gods are precious and should be saved. So na, sorry, I can't see anything good in that Winter Queen right now ....
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I get this is sort of bunny trailing, however, having to make difficult decisions is simply not the same as being a victim.
President Hoover had to make a difficult choice to drop two nuclear bombs on Japanese cities. No doubt he felt he had to or it would have cost countless American lives to invade Japan.
Hoover is not the victim. Blaming Hoover for the results of dropping those bombs is not blaming the victim.
The Winter Queen is not the victim. Blaming her because the groves got culled is not blaming the victim.
Not arguing with you that it was right decision, just trying to point out that she is not the victim.
Exactly this, but the average MMO champ poster needs a new person to hate after Sylvanas, so she is it.. logic? Goes straight out of the window.
And before the fanboys start "ehmagerd Sylvanas is hitler wtf how dare you say that".. yea Sylvanas is pure evil, and deserves everything she will get.
And why would she do that? All other realms are faced with anima drought as well, Ardenweald just has the worst, but it's not like the other realms are thriving. Besides Denathrius is a servant of Jailer, the one who caused the drought in the first place.
All life is to be cherished, which is why the Winter Queen was visibly devastated that she had to order this. You can thank Sylvanas Windrunner and her bald master for causing that crisis in the first place.
But she is the victim, all these people are. They were literally just minding their business and living in peace in Ardenweald, until Jailer and Sylvanas broke the machine of death because they want everyone to suffer.
I would say these people are actually Sylvanas fanboys, since they claim that Sylvanas' enemies are evil, while ignore the fact that Sylvanas helped cause this drought in the first place.
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I feel like those spirits that "winter" in Ardenweald, a spiritual luscious forest, were not aware that these caretakers and The Queen of Winter would be able to cannibalize them for sustenance. This does not seem like an afterlife at all...
There is something creepy about it all.
Almost like Ardenweald itself is a prison of sorts, where your captors/caretakers determine your fate according to her will. In times of plenty they feed the spirits with Anima, they are reborn, eventually die, and the cycle of the rebirth/anima machine continues. Now that the machine of the afterlife is broken, the underlying faults of each covenant is laid out in the open.
Not as benevolent as we thought.
“Life is and will ever remain an equation incapable of solution, but it contains certain known factors.”
In the final Ardenweald quests you get the distinct impression that the Winter Queen petitioning Sire Denathrius for anima is an effective Godzilla-type threshold that even the sacrifice of the wildseeds was not, and quite possibly something with extensive ramifications we don't ourselves know.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Yes, she absolutely is a victim, but not of any of the content of Afterlives.But she is the victim, all these people are.
I guess some people didn't see that she said she would honor the dude's wish even if he wanted to take care of that one soul, Ursoc.
Such evil lady. The cinematic was all about the tough choices they have to do to keep the realms of death still running. And the lesser point is that Ara'lon got that choice to do for himself.
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