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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Because people did not whine loudly enough in the forums before that they would never go against their Warchief!
    Because having to play 2D good guy and good guy but living in mudhut who occasionally does a bad thing and harbors questionable somewhat-allies wasn't bad to them before Queen Sylvanas was outed as a baddy and therefore incongruent with either faction.

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    I'm not saying it makes any sense, I'm just saying thats what the story is. Also, has blizz said there is only one "realm of death"? I figured Shadowlands was unique to Azeroth just like the Emerald Dream is, as they're supposed to be mirrors.
    The shadowlands is for the entire universe, not just Azeroth and within the shadowlands are infinite little islands, who represent different afterlives.

  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalinos View Post
    Do me a favour why don't you. Google the man called Samwise Didier. He is a founding member of Blizzard Entertainment, the art director since forever and the lead singer of L70ETC, the WoW metal band. The guy is a multi-millionaire who shows up to work in flip-flops (or thongs, for the Australians), a pair of bermuda shorts and a Megadeath/Metallica/Iron Maiden/other metal band T-shirt.

    Hell, at the company I work at, the company owner has a very hands-on approach and works 1 day at each of our 5 stores. Tuesday's he's at my store. He shows up in black trousers, a white shirt, no tie, no blazer, Nike/Adidas sports shoes. The company OWNER. Who's NAME is on the fucking building.

    Please realize appearances mean jack shit when you do what you love.
    oh, no worries here. ofc i know who this is. i am not so far away from all of this, in a waaaay smaller setup, way more grounded. but maybe such ppl, with such an far away driven attitude, maybe should stop makin wow. just my oppinion.

    wasnt Didier the Author for the Story behind BfA ?
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  4. #424
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    Sylvanas is and always will be my undead waifu .. that's why i wont abandon her.. i feel the very save ways about my Jaina on the alliance she's also my personal favorote too.
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  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    What the absolute fuck?

    It's a game, not real life... you should learn the difference, it's quite dangerous to conflate the two.
    How are you so shockingly, painfully dense here. Good god man, he's referring to the player characters in lore, not real life.

  6. #426
    Guy in OP's video is an idiot. No one who has been aligned with the Horde, whether or not they support Sylvanas, doesn't care about IE Thrall, Saurfang. It isn't meant to be easy to be a loyalist. You are staying true to the Queen but having to fight people who you have fought countless battles with and shed blood with for years. The problem is that there should at least be a nod and there isn't, we are just forced to say that her killing Saurfang is over the line. Her killing him, and trying to kill Thrall, is bad, even in the eyes of a loyalist, if you have ever paid attention to lore. But Blizzard shouldn't just force a change of heart on us over it. It was always difficult to stay loyal.

  7. #427
    All sylvanas ever wanted was a quick death and a peaceful afterlife. I hope she finally gains what she always wanted. May the ending for my dark lady be exactly what she wishes to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    All sylvanas ever wanted was a quick death and a peaceful afterlife. I hope she finally gains what she always wanted. May the ending for my dark lady be exactly what she wishes to be.
    i wish she takes Calia with her and have a proper forsaken actually lead the forsaken.
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  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by General Zanjin View Post
    i wish she takes Calia with her and have a proper forsaken actually lead the forsaken.
    Take Voss. She's the best fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Take Voss. She's the best fit
    no. she wasnt even a forsaken until SL and then it was after she forced herself as temporary leader to train calia to lead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    She still seems to be the one person to actually care for individual forsaken and try to help them out. I'd rather have a small council with Voss just being a part of it of course.

    But yeah, I'm pretty sure Calia is just there as a poorly placed hook for the Horde to have interaction in the inevitable "Light is Bad" expac.
    oh yeah the "Voss suddenly cares about the forsaken after not wanting anything to do with them for years so she fits to lead them."
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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Was it a strange and sudden shift? Sure. But it happened and that's who she is now

    And ultimately, she is an interesting tragic character and it would make perfect sense for her to need a lot more time to come to terms with undeath than most.
    Voss herself thinks she's unfit to lead the Forsaken. And we've already had enough of "untested leader suddenly throw into the position" in WoW. Especially since they always end the same "oh, look at how amazing they turned out to be" way. Let Voss start a refuge for lost and confused Forsaken and leave the leadership to Forsaken that actually have some experience in that regard.
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  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Was it a strange and sudden shift? Sure. But it happened and that's who she is now

    And ultimately, she is an interesting tragic character and it would make perfect sense for her to need a lot more time to come to terms with undeath than most.
    There were other forsaken, who would have fit the bill better though, Voss is almost as much an outsider as Calia herself.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Voss herself thinks she's unfit to lead the Forsaken. And we've already had enough of "untested leader suddenly throw into the position" in WoW. Especially since they always end the same "oh, look at how amazing they turned out to be" way. Let Voss start a refuge for lost and confused Forsaken and leave the leadership to Forsaken that actually have some experience in that regard.
    Well, Calia certainly isn't leader material. 1stly because he was in exile for years as a priest, so she knows squat about being a queen of a nation, and 2ndly she may be undead, but she's not a forsaken, she's literally light possessed puppet of the naaru... you know, the very thing that by its very nature hurts undead.
    I hope shadowlands introduce somebody competent to lead them.

  15. #435
    The Sylvanas loyalists should have had their story arc brought to completion - ending with perma character death (delete).

    Don't really see what other role could they have fulfilled for their wet (dry?) corpse dream.

    With a warning of course. Something like "Warning! You are taking a path where your leader kills you. This will cause you to die. Even though you might be brought back in a future expansion, for the time being you will be dead. Please click YES if you wish to proceed."


    I shall edit joke infractions as I please.
    Last edited by Trumpcat; 2020-08-29 at 04:09 PM.

  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpcat View Post
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    Don't really see what other role could they have fulfilled for their wet (dry?) corpse dream.
    Can you not be a condescending ashat and assuming that people like sylvannas just cuz they're necrophiliacs?

    Infracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Voss herself thinks she's unfit to lead the Forsaken. And we've already had enough of "untested leader suddenly throw into the position" in WoW. Especially since they always end the same "oh, look at how amazing they turned out to be" way. Let Voss start a refuge for lost and confused Forsaken and leave the leadership to Forsaken that actually have some experience in that regard.
    They have to show that Voss herself don't see she is fit to lead, they have to pave the road to their master plan of Calia Forsaken leader 2021

  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    He's talking about in character, not IRL. Like "why doesn't the loyalists kill themselves since Sylvanus doesn't value their life".
    Gee, I dunno, maybe because a forced character deletion isn't really Blizzard's MO?
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    I'm sorry sir, but we do not serve complimentary cheese when you bring your own whine.

  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    Well, Calia certainly isn't leader material. 1stly because he was in exile for years as a priest, so she knows squat about being a queen of a nation, and 2ndly she may be undead, but she's not a forsaken, she's literally light possessed puppet of the naaru... you know, the very thing that by its very nature hurts undead.
    I hope shadowlands introduce somebody competent to lead them.
    I was by no means suggesting Calia. As bad of a bad choice Voss is, she's infinitely better than Calia.
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  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    I was by no means suggesting Calia. As bad of a bad choice Voss is, she's infinitely better than Calia.
    Who else do they even have left, anyway? Guys like Belmont and Faranel who are lucky to get a line every two expansions? They're below even Mekkatorque and Ji Firepaw tier in terms of relevance.

    Sylvanas was too important to the Forsaken's story for her absence not to leave a glaring hole. I had hoped before BTS released that the Desolate Council was made to alleviate that, but alas, the book only made her even more omnipresent when all was said and done.
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