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    How will socialism in the US be different from other failed attempts at socialism?

    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    Liberals want liberalism, not socialism.

    I got a good thread about that over here: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...you-don-t-Like!


    Socialism seems to work out quite fine as long as you don't have the CIA around trying to murder or intimidate your government officials or instigate violent coups / riots.

    Did you know that in Romania most people believe that life was better under communism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    Just to clear some things up before people get confused...

    Liberals do not want socialism.
    Liberals are not the left-wing, you are purposefully confusing those two groups, because you are far-right and everyone not far-right is a "libtard" to you.
    The left want social democracy, if anything.
    You, knowing this, buy into the far-right strategy of equalling Soviet style socialism with social democracy.
    Your goal is to confuse people and scare them into disliking social reforms and social democracy in general.

    You're not half as clever as you think you are. Social democracy works, as can be seen in Europe. Where most countries are dealing with Corona better than the US is. Despite what Americans think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gompa View Post
    Europe = putting roadblocks in cities to stop people leaving, people fined for not wearing masks, people fined for meeting people or gathering up for a party.
    That are great and fine solutions to prevent a few two-three hundred thousand people literally dying.

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    Socialist policies are employed everywhere in the first world with great success, free education, single payer healthcare, unemployment benefits, you name it.

    Canada, Germany, France, UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark...

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    In US those pushing socialism, smell of sulfur... That’s the critical difference...
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    the main problem with things like socialism, communism, etc is that they're practised in name only. governments claiming those names put instead of devoting everything towards helping society/community they make themselves and their supporters rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else (something which all governments do to a degree but the most openly corrupt ones tend to pretend to be the most benevolent)
    this stems from the other big problem, that good intentions are so easy to corrupt. anything that can be useful will also be abused. governments are capable of doing that on a massive scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayvio View Post
    the main problem with things like socialism, communism, etc is that they're practised in name only. governments claiming those names put instead of devoting everything towards helping society/community they make themselves and their supporters rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else (something which all governments do to a degree but the most openly corrupt ones tend to pretend to be the most benevolent)
    this stems from the other big problem, that good intentions are so easy to corrupt. anything that can be useful will also be abused. governments are capable of doing that on a massive scale
    It’s two sides of the same coin. Socialism is the closest economic policy to expressing populism, that I am aware of. Through history of around 100 years ago, socialism was used by populist, to sell the populace new authoritarian elites. In large part thanks to USA’s red scare and Stalin becoming the representative of Communism, intrinsically tying things like Holomodor, to socialism.

    You end up with authoritarian propaganda pushing socialism, while shortly there after and at the same time, have the US pushing the red scare that used authoritarian propaganda as a scare tactic against socialism, instead of authoritarianism.

    Edit: Money contributes to happiness, but it’s value is over blown, because the happiness you do buy is extremely short lived. In some cases, the anticipation brought more happiness, up to the point the shrink wrap is torn. There is also the facade that it’s money to thank for your access to healthcare and a roof over your head, instead of realizing the means of obtaining those are not the source of happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    That are great and fine solutions to prevent a few two-three hundred thousand people literally dying.
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

    I think the number on that site is 180933 for the EU/EAA and UK, not that far behind the US

    And it is obviously not all of Europe

    Of course it is probably just a little bit more people living in that part of Europe than in the US

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    "Pure" socialism? What on earth makes you think that? At most, the liberals want something along the lines that Canada or Nordic countries have. Or most other European countries, I'd imagine. And they are far from failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    I haven’t met any liberals who want full socialism, let alone enough to claim it’s broadly what liberals want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    Who is pushing for pure socialism? there's no sane liberal doing that not even the ones you call socialist. There is no pure capitalism in the US for the same reason pure anything is an abject failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    For the sake of argument:

    Name one single purely socialist country.

    To make your life easier you can skip the communist countries because they're communist. Venezuela doesn't count because its not socialist.

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    What i find impressive is that americans like the game are so obsessed with socialism and how it is done elsewhere that they can only see extreme's and completely overlook other western nations that has a series of social democratic policies that is far closer to what the public demanded than let's say Venezuela. Yet only the latter is always used as a counter argument.

    Stupidity from people arguing about it or people lacking an actual valid argument against it and need to resort to extremes, so they create a boogeyman even the most illiterate gets scared of.

    People like the game are essentially arguing that water is inflammable because it is also a liquid. It's rather embarrassing to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    which liberal wants this?
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    How can a liberal want (pure) socialism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    this is your brain on Fox News. it's been so thoroughly poisoned by right wing media you think people like Joe Biden are somehow socialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    So just curious. If the US makes the switch to pure socialism like liberals want how will it be different from other countries who have failed at it?
    Maybe instead of parroting right wing talking points that literally haven't changed since the era of McCarthyism, and actually LISTENING to what liberals want, you'd understand that the model of "socialism" we want is based on numerous successful policies found in such communist bastions like "Canada" or "Great Britain" or any of the Scandinavian nations.

    But go ahead, continue to scream about the Soviets and the Chinese.

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