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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnaught View Post
    There is no AU Garrosh. That's the whole reason Kairoz picked that timeline...

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    AU Grommash never had a son.

    30 years after WoD is a long time. So yes, he does.

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    I could like Garrosh once, long ago. During Cata, in that single damned questline in Stonetalon. But he was never meant to be anything more than an anchor to make the Horde sink into the role of an Alliance villain. We are just now getting out of there and I hope beyond hope that Garrosh doesn’t return to bring us back to that muck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwento View Post
    I could like Garrosh once, long ago. During Cata, in that single damned questline in Stonetalon. But he was never meant to be anything more than an anchor to make the Horde sink into the role of an Alliance villain. We are just now getting out of there and I hope beyond hope that Garrosh doesn’t return to bring us back to that muck.
    Nah, he was meant to be more...but player perception of the character got him drafted from his potential to be greater and Blizzard shafted him to fit a villain role with very little convincing elements in the narrative, he literally flipped from his Cataclysm persona to his MoP persona like a big "WTF" moment, people were even convinced and speculating that he was replaced or brainwashed by the Twilight Hammer, after the Zepplin went down in Twilight Highlands...WHICH in retrospective would've been more interesting story, considering how he toyed with the powers of an Old God, even though they had the perfect setup they completely missed the opportunity and went "YeAh hE BAd oRC CUz ORC"

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    Garrosh is literally the worst character written in WoW. Sylvanas is a close second. Making Warchief synonymous with Douche for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    he is dead,hes not coming back,this isnt dragon ball....also garrosh sucks,i do hope we see him getting tortured good
    Um...Illidan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Nah, he was meant to be more...but player perception of the character got him drafted from his potential to be greater and Blizzard shafted him to fit a villain role with very little convincing elements in the narrative, he literally flipped from his Cataclysm persona to his MoP persona like a big "WTF" moment, people were even convinced and speculating that he was replaced or brainwashed by the Twilight Hammer, after the Zepplin went down in Twilight Highlands...WHICH in retrospective would've been more interesting story, considering how he toyed with the powers of an Old God, even though they had the perfect setup they completely missed the opportunity and went "YeAh hE BAd oRC CUz ORC"
    He was always intended to be a villain. His 'redeeming' characteristics in Cataclysm were the result of miscommunication between writers.

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    Dismissing OP, misguided as he might be, could lead to many of you eating crow. Is it too early to tell if that Orc silouette being tortured is Garrosh? Absolutely. However... Blizzard has at least two major content patches to fill content with after launch. Garrosh is nowhere to be seen or mentioned officially. This is an expansion about death. Garrosh is dead. This expansion will fully, and very much so bank on the dead to push its story forward and keep players interested. It's a new narrative accompanied by nostalgia-galore. A final hurrah to Warcraft's biggest legends. The orc is bald, and is being tortured for his sins. Go down the list of bald evil Orcs that deserve to be tortured, and Blizzard would bother to put a teaser for. Only one name comes to mind: Garrosh.

    Connecting the dots is really not that difficult, OP's post count and fanboy thread aside, one would be a fool not to bet the farm the Orc in that teaser is not Garrosh. Don't let preconceived notions about a poster cloud your common sense. No bald evil Orc being tortured other than Garrosh is worth teasing as much. Blizzard WANTS you to think it's Garrosh because they plan to use him later in the expansion, and the existence of this thread, now 9 pages in is testament to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantoro View Post
    Garrosh is literally the worst character written in WoW. Sylvanas is a close second. Making Warchief synonymous with Douche for years.
    I'd rank Garrosh as a better character than Sylvanas because he's the O.G douchebag Warchief setting The Horde back 30 years. When Sylvanas' character development coined the phrase "she's going to be Garrosh'ed", that immediately made her a simile and inferior. She survived like Garrosh to kickstart the events of the subsequent expansion. The only difference is, she'll likely die as a raid boss instead of at the end of a questline because Blizzard had no idea how else to finish that story in a satisfying way, and got lazy after players started whining the story was focusing on too many Orcs.

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    Garrosh died in a different timeline, alternate dimension, and world. He ain't gonna be showing up in the Maw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evaddon View Post
    Nah, he was meant to be more...but player perception of the character got him drafted from his potential to be greater and Blizzard shafted him to fit a villain role with very little convincing elements in the narrative, he literally flipped from his Cataclysm persona to his MoP persona like a big "WTF" moment, people were even convinced and speculating that he was replaced or brainwashed by the Twilight Hammer, after the Zepplin went down in Twilight Highlands...WHICH in retrospective would've been more interesting story, considering how he toyed with the powers of an Old God, even though they had the perfect setup they completely missed the opportunity and went "YeAh hE BAd oRC CUz ORC"
    There was never a “Cataclysm persona”. Garrosh in that questline is a singular character, unlike any other of his appearances.
    If I remember correctly, Blizz even said that this wasn’t a planned thing and this single good moment was a mistake they made.

  10. #170
    Garrosh was cool! Can't wait!!
    'Cuz if you're gonna be mine, you don't have to take your time~♪

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    On one hand - the best Warchief might be back.

    On the other, he'll be written by the same writing staff that think Saurfang rejecting the entire history of the Horde and being driven to action by a human is the peak of orcish storytelling.

    Let him lie. Leave Arthas too while you're at it. I can see that redemption coming a mile away Blizzard.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

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    To be honest, for all the hate BFA and Sylvanas' stories get, Garrosh's didn't make much sense either. Like... somehow he was allowed to excavate right in the middle of the most sacred pandaren site and nobody bat an eye until a patch later. Oh and poof surprise, the heart of an old god was there as well, right at the very place the goblins were excavating. Oh and the time travel thing and then getting one shot by Thrall in Nagrand was even more pathetic.

    Also, concerning the power-scale level, at least Blizzard gave an explanation (a bad one, but at least we got something) on how Sylvanas got so powerful. Before the Y'shaarj infusion, Garrosh was pathetically weak and it made no sense whatsoever why he was even considered a threat in the first place (especially when before that we went toe to toe with entities that made him look like an ant in comparison: Kil'jaeden, The Lich King and Deathwing). Hell, even after his infusion/corruption, he was still an ant compared to those power-wise.

    Garrosh never had a place as a credible threat... Hell, the end-game bosses this game had were: Kel'thuzad, Kil'jaeden, LK, Deathwing, Garrosh, Archimonde, Argus and N'zoth. The problem with MOP wasn't the pandarens, it was the perceived threat after the first 2 Tiers and the so called war-conflict. That entire fiasco of a story should've been resolved in a scenario or a low-level dungeon, not in a 14 boss Tier raid and another expansion afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    If it is garrosh, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the Venthyr who is thrown out in the sun at the end.
    That would be absolutely priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    There's no such thing as an "AU" Shadowlands. The Shadowlands transcends realities and universes.
    I actually imagine most realities and universes don't even matter, AU Draenor itself is probably going to be "absorbed" into the main timeline again, sooner or later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblader View Post
    It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heladys View Post
    The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    Literally the best Garrosh content is:
    OMG how did I never see this before lol. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    He did have one but was not with Golka, and was in another time of events, so isn't Garrosh, people might get confused, he would be far more different than Geyara

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    I actually imagine most realities and universes don't even matter, AU Draenor itself is probably going to be "absorbed" into the main timeline again, sooner or later.
    i think they already talk about that, after so much interactions and for so long, draenor was kinda dragged out to this timeline, so we can expect the world existing in this timeline reality.

    Unless they already forgot/scrapped that idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    The people responsible for Broken Front were reprimanded by Garrosh for what they did. On top of that you said that Garrosh himself repeatedly fought battles that only weakened his forces. He was nowhere to be seen at Mord'rethar.
    To be fair, it was heavily implied that Garrosh's open disapproval was to appease Thrall and Saurfang, and that in his heart of hearts more or less approved what happened.

    But yeah, that doesn't make your statement false whatsover still. Ironically, even if Garrosh openly approved the attack, it didn't mean that he led or even inspired it still. At best it could be argued that Garrosh's approach into leading the whole campaign may have had an influence but it's quite the stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by XalAtoh View Post
    You have to look at the real definition of "Daddy issues", Garrosh doesn't has any issues at all.
    Garrosh's daddy issues are the fucking foundation of his character.

    There's liking a character and then there's blindly fanboying over it. No need to tell you which one of the two approches you are adopting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    He did have one but was not with Golka, and was in another time of events, so isn't Garrosh, people might get confused, he would be far more different than Geyara
    I admit it would be fun to see Garrosh confronting his crusading alternate half-brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblader View Post
    It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heladys View Post
    The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    There's liking a character and then there's blindly fanboying over it. No need to tell you which one of the two approches you are adopting.
    Stop it, Troll fanboy. I remember you bitching about Garrosh for years. You seem obsessed with hating a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    "Best warchief"


    Lol...ok
    You know, it seems insane to consider this....I think he might actually be right.

    Blackhand was a shitheel from the get-go who only looked for power for himself.

    Doomhammer is probably the runner up but despite noble intentions for the orcs he still willfully chose to sacrifice the Eastern Kingdoms native populations and kept slave ogres etc so the orcs could have a new home.

    Thrall started off so well with WC3 and but then he willfully planted his people in a desert where the struggled to survive then mandated Garrosh succeed him, against literally EVERYONES diagreement (including Garrosh himself!). It makes perfect sense that the orcs would turn from their new path when faced with starving children and a new leader who didnt have the experience to tell them why war was so awful. And since then Thrall has not only never once acknowledged his direct setup of Garrosh's tyranny but even with the absolute disaster the Hordes leadership has been reduced too over and over again, has also deigned to keep his hands well-washed of the Horde in general. Now he just shows up to show off occasionally before floundering off to do Shaman shit. Thanks man, way to undo your legacy.

    Vol'jin did literally nothing for the one expansion he was Warchief, Wod, then promptly died a really shitty death to a cut from a generic Felguard right at the start of Legion. Oh but not before he was tricked into crowning the worst warchief of all time on his deathbed. Biggest waste on the list.

    Sylvannas: I'm just going to bullet point list for the sake of not totally dwarfing everyone else on the list but I could write novels on how badly this one went.
    - Worked with a clear villain (helya) and attempted to enslave a demigod in Stormheim for her own gain. - Genocided a race for her own gain. - Turned the Horde upon itself a second time for, again, purely personal gain. - Broke the helm of domination causing god knows what level of damage with the Scourge for, you guessed it, purself personal gain. And this is all AFTER she became warchief.

    Garrosh by comparison:
    - Knew he wasn't fit to lead and argued such.
    - Initially tried to listen to all his advisors though it didn't last.
    - Was only logging Ashenvale because he saw it as vital to stop his people starving.
    - Initially had very high standards he kept to for what he saw as wrong (See Stonetalon) and kept a very tight grip on the elements of the Horde he knew were a liability that even Thrall mostly ignored (Sylvannas).
    - Suddenly u-turned his character completely in MoP to pitch black villain with little leadup or sense.
    - Said trainwreck continued in Wod but ended with a very poignant note of Garrosh finally cracking and admitting how much he had needed Thrall when he just dropped him into the ocean of leadership without any lessons on how to swim. A point Thrall didnt even so much as take in before he killed him, an act that (possibly) lost him his elemental support.

    Tldr: I cannot believe i'm saying it but the years have, somehow, been a lot kinder to Garrosh then pretty much any other warchief. Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    Garrosh's daddy issues are the fucking foundation of his character.

    There's liking a character and then there's blindly fanboying over it. No need to tell you which one of the two approches you are adopting.
    No, Garrosh daddy issues comparisons are just "fan"fiction at this point, it's all based on 1 cinematic, then that's a very weak way to define if someone has daddy issues. You have to look at the WHOLE character.

    If I have to pick as you call (vague) foundation for Garrosh, then it's pride, strength / willpower... perhaps even "pride and rage brings strength".

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    Quote Originally Posted by WingsofLiberty View Post
    To be honest, for all the hate BFA and Sylvanas' stories get, Garrosh's didn't make much sense either. Like... somehow he was allowed to excavate right in the middle of the most sacred pandaren site and nobody bat an eye until a patch later. Oh and poof surprise, the heart of an old god was there as well, right at the very place the goblins were excavating. Oh and the time travel thing and then getting one shot by Thrall in Nagrand was even more pathetic.

    Also, concerning the power-scale level, at least Blizzard gave an explanation (a bad one, but at least we got something) on how Sylvanas got so powerful. Before the Y'shaarj infusion, Garrosh was pathetically weak and it made no sense whatsoever why he was even considered a threat in the first place (especially when before that we went toe to toe with entities that made him look like an ant in comparison: Kil'jaeden, The Lich King and Deathwing). Hell, even after his infusion/corruption, he was still an ant compared to those power-wise.

    Garrosh never had a place as a credible threat... Hell, the end-game bosses this game had were: Kel'thuzad, Kil'jaeden, LK, Deathwing, Garrosh, Archimonde, Argus and N'zoth. The problem with MOP wasn't the pandarens, it was the perceived threat after the first 2 Tiers and the so called war-conflict. That entire fiasco of a story should've been resolved in a scenario or a low-level dungeon, not in a 14 boss Tier raid and another expansion afterwards.
    Never saw so much delusion about Garrosh... like, how do you believe in this?

    How can a final boss be weak? Every final boss is considered stronger than previous. Because playercharacter is getting stronger..

    If Garrosh was no threat, why did the world even combined their power, why did Kairoz and Wrathion even freed him? Garrosh is incredible influential, the fact that he is just an Orc makes him even more awesome.

    Garrosh is not only among best warrior with incredible will power, he is very cunning, hence why he is a big threat. Sylvanas is a disgrace, the whole character... no, it doesn't even has a character. Sylvanas is a ghoul in body and ALSO in mind. If she wasn't pretty, the ghoul windrunner would have been nowhere.

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    Literal best character of WoW is certainly a subjective statement, and most people here aren't interested in matters of opinion. He was and possibly still is an excellently designed character, but maybe temper your enthusiasm with a spot of reasoning. He's more than likely in Revendreth and will more than likely "find retribution" in SL. I mean come on this is Blizzard guys... Garrosh is going to be a good boy now. lol

    One thing is for sure though, his personality is what we'll need for the coming conflict with the Light. Calling it now, Turalyon is going to be the real Garrosh 2.0. And what better character to help us defeat Garrosh 2.0 than Garrosh 1.0?
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