They removed the 'in'famous "B***'" from the Garrosh Sylvanas dialogue????

[Mehrunes]

Warcraft depicts, refers to, or implies:

- War
- Genocide
- Consorting with demons and other dark powers
- Torture
- Necromancy
- Slavery
- Mind control and brainwashing
- Horrific sentient being experimentation
- Rape many times over (red dragons, Draenei)

But calling a evil woman a bitch is just a line too far!

I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

Hell, that very quest started with Sylvanas and a bunch of other Forsaken standing around a pit full of corpses (that, as shown from the Ettin transport in the zone, were corpses of people killed by the Forsaken on the front line that then got hauled to this outpost). Obviously that part was deemed child-friendly.

[goldlock]

Just saw the actual blue post on why. The game is Teen, which means 13+, and they mention a kid watching (I think of 8 when I think of kid)...so maybe your son/daughter/niece/nephew need to leave the room when playing the game. The correct/suggested parent solution right there, which has gone out the wayside lately.

Learned about the human-high mountain threesome lately after all this, man explain that one to a kid and it’s importance in the game.

i mean... the scrounge existed... I find the topic of how people ripped the skin off woman and children to stitch them into a ever suffering abomination that screams at you to end its pain as it tries to murder you harder to explain then why the woman who just tried to commit genocide via reanimating people's loved ones to kill them was called a bitch...

[Lubefist]

Can we have poster number 100 up on the podium please to tell how it's hypocritical in a game with themes of war and genocide to remove a word "bitch", please?

I'm sure you all thought you just had an original thought.

[strangerdanger]

Wow there are people really triggered by this.

The opposition to cancel culture is just as bad as cancel culture itself. So many sensitive people on both sides it's unbelievable.

[Mehrunes]

Apparently those are all things a young child should be able to enjoy.

Also, y'know, the fact that the PC is pretty explicitly a murderhobo that wipes out populations of say, gnolls, murlocs, etc.

Speaking of which, in the very same zone you kill a bunch of Murlocs. With the Blight. I.e. a chemical weapon. That is, as per quest text, potent enough to exterminate a thousand murlocs despite being a watered down garbage version (as Forsaken complain about the Blight they were given later on in the zone). And it's not only a quest from the same hub, it's the third quest in the chain there (Garrosh scene being the first one).

[goldlock]

Wow there are people really triggered by this.

The opposition to cancel culture is just as bad as cancel culture itself. So many sensitive people on both sides it's unbelievable.

I think people are rightly afraid that if you give them an inch they will take a mile. I have never seen a situation where making any accommodation didn't result in them asking for a dozen more.

[Pony Soldier]

The reason why many are annoyed by this is the fact that Blizzard is moving away from a specific style of writing that is direct and making sense. It made sense for someone like Garrosh and Sylvanas' Gilnean adversaries to say so.

Players are rightfully sceptical because they're worried that Blizzard's storytelling will plummet even further due to the fact that they'll sidestep consistency, the value of the narrative and senseful progression of various character arcs in favour of looking socially acceptable and agreeable to those that care about it.

They are watering down any potential offensive words in order to avoid a potential meltdown on the internet in the future if someone sensitive enough stumbles upon it(ie imagine a "gaming journalist" posting an article about how Blizzard Entertainment describes female characters in its game), while amping up the presence of different races, sexualities and words like "bigot" and "racist" in a belief that it will score some social virtue points. In doing so they're losing originality and what made them as succesful as they were, with their success in the past not being limited strictly to this.

The word "bitch" in itself being changed isn't a problem, but the reason behind changing it is; it sheds more light on the path that their writing will take in the future and players likely believe that it too will be devoid of visceral meaning and expression.

Oh my god. Thank you, someone who actually understands. A lot of people in here are way too shortsighted and dismissing everyone as crybabies when the have no idea why this unnecessary dialogue change is annoying to players like me. This is exactly the point I was trying to make and you probably said it better than I did.

[Mehrunes]

And the person who wrote the line.

Are Garrosh's writers also murderous maniacs, given that's how they wrote the character?

and if you actualy think about it, Garrosh didnt use any profanity anywhere in the game (afaik), and Sylvanas was hardly someone who would let that just slide, so it was kind of out of character for both of them...

Sylvanas openly mocked him in that scene and all he could do in response was to insult her a bit. She had the upper hand in that exchange and knew that Garrosh couldn't do anything about her attitude other than throw an invective in. That was very in character for her.

[Lubefist]

Oh my god. Thank you, someone who actually understands. A lot of people in here are way too shortsighted and dismissing everyone as crybabies when the have no idea why this unnecessary dialogue change is annoying to players like me. This is exactly the point I was trying to make and you probably said it better than I did.

Yet both of you used some weird mental gymnastics to turn the reason they did it to matter of POC ignoring the fact that it was clearly stated it was done because just like so many players, they felt it was out of place. Never did they mention they did it because they thought it was misogynistic or anything. Or are you trying to say Blizzard is some kind of selfless SJW entity that wouldn't use every chance they get to polish their shield by saying out loud "HEY, WE DID GOOD"?

[Mehrunes]

If someone writes a period piece about segregation in America, and one of the antagonists refers to African Americans as niggers, is the writer a racist bigot?

Obviously. You should only portray slavery like Gone with the Wind, where slave owners and slaves lived in peace, harmony and mutual respect. Because pretending racism/misogyny/whatever even exist is obviously the non-problematic way of tackling the topic.

[MrKnubbles]

I always thought that line felt out of place. I didn't believe it when others told me about it until I saw it for myself. It just seemed really forced.

[Mehrunes]

Updated the original post but it seems like an employee was playing with his kid and felt offended about the word so they removed it!

Holinka agrees.

I opened up the replies and one of the first ones to be shown (I have no idea how Twitter picks them because they were from various time stamps) was Taliesin and Evitel shilling as usual. What a surprise.

[Adam Jensen]

And the person who wrote the line.

You do realize writers write for their characters right?

Like I've written a few stories, I made a few characters bigots. Does that make me a bigot? I disagree with a lot of characters I write because I am not those characters, they are simply personalities I've made to be a part of a story.

[Mehrunes]

Culture defines morality, it is know that in the US certain things are acceptable or tolerated if you find acceptable a too strong word such as violence and guns and some things are not like swearing and women nipples.

I also find the children should learn about things like genocide but that's for different reasons all together. Another part is these events you don't literally see kids and innocents getting killed, it is implied that it took place and as the developer post high lighted it is only an issue when it is in your face. WoW never struck me as a mature setting it doesn't grab your attention that easily as in let us say the Witcher games, where racism, all forms of violence and profanity are very obvious.

You personally indiscriminately Blight a Murloc village just minding its own buisness literally two quests after the unholy quest saying bitch. Merely to test its potency.

[Lubefist]

You do realize writers write for their characters right?

Like I've written a few stories, I made a few characters bigots. Does that make me a bigot? I disagree with a lot of characters I write because I am not those characters, they are simply personalities I've made to be a part of a story.

What is your stance on Tarantino? He makes brilliant movies, but the usage of N-slur is a bit uncomfortable seeing how it's used so heavily and not as something that drives the story or has any substance other than to just use it.

[Mayia]

They should've added something in its place at least, just removing the word leaves it weird that every player replaying will notice.. but blizzard only cares about future players in terms of old quests.. if current players are annoyed doesn't matter you'll sub anyway why pander?

[angrys13]

What is your stance on Tarantino? He makes brilliant movies, but the usage of N-slur is a bit uncomfortable seeing how it's used so heavily and not as something that drives the story or has any substance other than to just use it.

It fits the narrative of his films, when necessary, because the intent is to make you feel uncomfortable. Intentionally.

[Adam Jensen]

What is your stance on Tarantino? He makes brilliant movies, but the usage of N-slur is a bit uncomfortable seeing how it's used so heavily and not as something that drives the story or has any substance other than to just use it.

It's supposed to make you uncomfortable.

Mel Brooks did the same with Blazing Saddles, but instead of discomfort, he made the n-word and racism something that was to be mocked.

The point is, the writer tells the story, he doesn't necessarily support the views the story itself holds.

[Mehrunes]

You do realize writers write for their characters right?

Like I've written a few stories, I made a few characters bigots. Does that make me a bigot? I disagree with a lot of characters I write because I am not those characters, they are simply personalities I've made to be a part of a story.

I'm pretty sure @SirBeef already made it clear that in their mind the answer is yes. You're a wizard bigot, Harry. And Garrosh's writers bomb cities, capture their citizens and use them as torture porn material for their followers (or at least desire to do so).

It fits the narrative of his films, when necessary, because the intent is to make you feel uncomfortable. Intentionally.

Not to mention how Tarantino uses his movies as a vehicle for the people he sees as wrong, if not evil getting their comeuppance by killing them in a completely overblown manner. Like, I dunno, the slave owners that used the N-word as one of the tools of dehumanizing and oppressing their slaves.

[Pony Soldier]

Yet both of you used some weird mental gymnastics to turn the reason they did it to matter of POC ignoring the fact that it was clearly stated it was done because just like so many players, they felt it was out of place. Never did they mention they did it because they thought it was misogynistic or anything. Or are you trying to say Blizzard is some kind of selfless SJW entity that wouldn't use every chance they get to polish their shield by saying out loud "HEY, WE DID GOOD"?

So it took them all these years to finally decide that it didn't fit in the game? It was ok last year, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, 5 years ago but now it's out of place? Ok. I'm sure Blizzard was telling the actual truth about why they did it because you know they're always truthful.

Actually yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. Blizzard will do anything to seem like they're the good guys and cover their ass from any future criticism that would brand them as a racist/sexist or whatever other -ist people want to use. Just as any other company without a spine would do. You don't need to do "weird" mental gymnastics to figure this out. Maybe for you.