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  1. #241
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    I really enjoyed the zones, the vibe was great, the enormous cities are awesome. The quest lines were incredible, including the cutscenes. I also really loved M+, and still do. Island expeditions were pretty fun to grind as well. The raids were quite alright as well, some encounters were top notch in terms of creativity.

    I definetly dislike warfronts and the same old expedition tables.
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  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Trialle View Post
    With the release of the SL drop date and prepatch hopefully arriving in less than a month please in the replies let me know how BFA helped taint the last 2 years of your lives. (to those people who began in BFA/Legion that are going to tell me if you dont like it dont play, this game has been a part of my life since the 5th grade and I don't like seeing something i love treated so horribly. So if you guys could just go run some more visions to actually make your character perform worse with sockets that would be for the best<3 )

    First we have to acknowledge that WONDERFUL launch of BFA. I play on Area 52 myself and let me tell you was I livid that all I could do was watch people literally finishing leveling toons before blizzard implemented a patch at the end of the first and arguably the most nostalgic day of an expansion. I personally love to PvP its what I fell in love with 12 years ago with WoW and it broke my heart watching blizzard literally brush off whatever the community had to say. After the original blizzcon for almost all intents and purposes the devs abandoned PvP and only fixed the issues that made viewing it on twitch for the AWC was a little less mind numbing but not by much. We also cannot forget when they lead players to believe that we would be crowd funding along with blizzard's minimum amount promice to support the AWC and MDI and not just lining blizzards pockets and helping them not have to pay much for either tournament. That move was disgusting and greedy but completely in line with what i've come to expect personally. Im sure those of you reading this probably watch the MDI/AWC so I shouldn't need to discuss the horrible lack of class diversity at the top tier of game play in either "E-sport".

    We where told at the end of legion that they ended production early in order to make BFA an A+ expansion but we got..well we got shit and there is no other way to put it. I hope that we aren't being fed the same lie with SL but over the past 5 years im sure we have all learned to take what comes out of their marketing teams mouths with a grain of salt.
    Maybe for you and the others but i loved BFA from the very start you don't speak for me sir.

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    BFA's iteration of enhancement shaman.

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    I was mostly disappointed in Blizzard deciding to back away from the class identity and powers offered in Legion. Between that, void elves polluting my cities, oh and Sylvanas being the single most boring villain of any piece of fiction. I’m not sure how it could be worse. Oh wait, it was boring too, shouldn’t forgive that.
    Mighty one, never forget.

  5. #245
    There is nothing about BFA that I will miss. The only issue I have is that I wish Shadowlands would come out this month instead of next month. In my opinion BFA is the worst expansion ever and adding corruptions into the game was the dumbest thing that Blizzard ever did. When BFA is over, it will be good riddance. BYE FELICIA
    Shadow deserves nothing, the same as Fire Mages.

  6. #246
    Battle for Abilities never had a chance with fisher price game play. Corruptions and essences made it all worse as you were completely disconnected from playing your class or your spec.
    Battle for Abilities = WoD 2.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Rekz View Post
    I'll trust blizzard over your assessment. They've been doing this for a long time. It may very well be that your class is nerfed in which case, your class will feel as if it doesn't work correctly.

  7. #247
    The mistake made with BfA was merging content with classes. By that, I mean there were too many systems (azerite, essences, corruption..) that impacted how classes played. There is a group of devs in California who think they are the most brilliant people ever to walk the face of the Earth. What they don't realize is simply adding a few more rows to the talent screen would've saved everyone a lot of time and effort. But, they are too focused on showing the world their own brilliance (and adding stuff to their CV so they can get a better job) so we get systems-on-systems. This is continuing into SL. The game won't improve until they stop this and go back to genuine class design separate from temporary systems.

    I think another reason for these dumb systems is they're cheap and quick to make vs. creating zones and content areas. The zones keep getting smaller and smaller every expansion. Maybe they've laid off too many people, I don't know. BfA was the worst expansion to me by far, because of how they corrupted the classes by overlaying a bunch of trashcan systems - literally stuff that gets thrown in the trash 20 months later.

    Everyone get excited to throw your covenant/soulbind/whatever powers in the trash October 2022! What fun to look forward to..

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunslayer View Post
    And all of that is incorrect. Do understand research? Do some. BfA never even reached anywhere near WoD levels of 10 million subs. Post numbers and facts, not your feelings or what Blizzard told you. According to aactual data BfA sales were horrendous hence the free 6 six month sub mounts.

    According to data BfA was a dumpster fire compared to WoD. Sorry the numbers don't support your narrative.
    WoW does not need 10 million subs to make more profit than in WoD. WoD did not have the wow token or the same cash shop support.

    I don't know if we have total sales numbers, but the fastest-selling vs total is a good point!

    Anyway I'm not sure what "narrative" is being pushed here. I thought BFA had a lot of peaks and valleys and I disagreed with many of their decisions (and liked others!). But I'm also not trying to confuse my personal opinion with whether something is "successful." I mean, I think a lot of Marvel movies are pretty "meh" but they still make billions. I also think Classic wow is garbage but the reality is that it's very popular.

    I could be way off base, but from the few Blizz employees I know, BFA is not considered a massive financial failure at all. A large part of this is probably Classic, but it is what it is. The game is not in any danger at all.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    That's why we call them gimmicks.
    That's more of a [You] thing, because for some reason you seem rather deadset on this whole "They're not Content, they're gimmicks" thing.

    I repeat: Such as pointless thing to argue over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tronski View Post
    The claim that WoD was unfinished at launch is simply just not true.
    The content in there was "finished", but the expansion clearly lacked content left and right.

  10. #250
    It's been a mixed bag with some good stuff and some bad stuff. Overall I have enjoyed myself in the game more than I did in Wod, Wotlk and Cata but not to the levels of TBC, MoP or Legion.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Marxman View Post
    Can I ask what you do in-game and how long you've been playing? I have legitimately never encountered someone who couldn't find some flaws in Legion/BfA. Even if you defended them as not horrific piles of manure, surely you can see the problems... they aren't exactly hard to spot for anyone who's paying attention.
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  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    That's more of a [You] thing, because for some reason you seem rather deadset on this whole "They're not Content, they're gimmicks" thing.

    I repeat: Such as pointless thing to argue over.
    You are welcome to not argue if you don't see a point to it. Continuing to respond suggests you don't see it as so pointless after all.

    The fact that you continue to respond, yet have no retort suggests you just want to stop hearing what's true. There's a very big difference between content that gets properly fleshed out and made into permanent content, and the gimmicky bullshit that they're writing excuses to not continue with before the expansion they're trying to sell you on with it has even started. Not recognizing that is harmful to the game.
    Last edited by Fleugen; 2020-09-02 at 05:23 PM.

  13. #253
    The End was before the Start for me...

    The BFA Beta they ran out of time and decided not to do a second pass on 5 Hybrid DPS Specs (Shadow, Feral, Shaman x2 and Fury). The second pass was a class development staple for 14 years in their little Sandbox. The failure to do a second pass cascaded to lackluster changes and abilities but without a decent balance pass when the Expansion started... it effect leveling, gearing and player experience.

    The thing was Ion mentioned this in a sidebar interview one month before the go-live of BfA... it took them 3 weeks of Live to admit they under-estimated the problem of not doing a second pass, and started to hotfix the broken classes 1 month into live, but for Shamans and Priest it was a death knell being absolutely useless in most end-game content for a full month.

    They didn't take Beta feedback, they didn't seem to do any quality testing, and the rush to produce an expansion clearly had a serious cost, splitting the class design teams focus to work on Azerite Traits was a clearly bad design, but they refused to admit it.

    The whole fiasco was the End before the Beginning for me... cause Feral Druid and Shadow Priest were my mains, Warrior and Shaman were my alts. They seriously broke my Top 4 toons. All of them, at the start of an expansion. It was mental!

    I quit 6 weeks into BfA... shortest period I ever played WoW. I hoped 8.1 PTR would give me a reason to return but it was also a mess cause the promised "second pass" was being shelved in favour of another hotfix cause Azerite Traits were more important to fix.

    So I look at Shadowlands, waiting... listening... and I am not confident I will return this next expansion.
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Very rare pepe View Post
    The thing is, we still have a giant sword in Silithus, at the end of Legion I wondered what does this now mean for the planet. Apparently it means we need to do some world quests for Magni for 2 years.
    Yeah that would still be pretty apparent but the Horde vs Alliance war was unnecessary and would make more sense that they play it off as the sword Sergeras planted into Azeroth caused multitudes of the titan defenses to break. That would also be the least of their problems too as forces of the old gods have become active again, the return of the twilight hammer who also enlist the help of Stormsong that fell to madness, and it's the alliance job and Jaina to sort it all out and save Kul Tiras. The horde coming to help Zandalar to stop the blood trolls and G'huun. Both it culminate into us going to stop Azshara with the allied races realizing that they have a bigger role to play and choose to join the factions to take on old god.

    As for the transition into Shadowlands i thought for sure that N'zoth would be the one to lead to it due to how his most recent followers were using necromancy and for a while people were speculating that he becomes the last old god we must stop and to permanently stop him we head into the Shadowlands where he's completely entrenched in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    The sheer lack of exposure of Firelands, as well as its lack of bosses and areas, forced LFR to be moved forwards from MoP launch to Dragon Soul.

    That says enough.
    Well those were certainly words... just not any that fit together to form a cogent sentence

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    they ruined my favorite character and made her into some sort of abomination. so 0/10 for me.
    r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowisp View Post
    The End was before the Start for me...

    The BFA Beta they ran out of time and decided not to do a second pass on 5 Hybrid DPS Specs (Shadow, Feral, Shaman x2 and Fury). The second pass was a class development staple for 14 years in their little Sandbox. The failure to do a second pass cascaded to lackluster changes and abilities but without a decent balance pass when the Expansion started... it effect leveling, gearing and player experience.

    The thing was Ion mentioned this in a sidebar interview one month before the go-live of BfA... it took them 3 weeks of Live to admit they under-estimated the problem of not doing a second pass, and started to hotfix the broken classes 1 month into live, but for Shamans and Priest it was a death knell being absolutely useless in most end-game content for a full month.

    They didn't take Beta feedback, they didn't seem to do any quality testing, and the rush to produce an expansion clearly had a serious cost, splitting the class design teams focus to work on Azerite Traits was a clearly bad design, but they refused to admit it.

    The whole fiasco was the End before the Beginning for me... cause Feral Druid and Shadow Priest were my mains, Warrior and Shaman were my alts. They seriously broke my Top 4 toons. All of them, at the start of an expansion. It was mental!

    I quit 6 weeks into BfA... shortest period I ever played WoW. I hoped 8.1 PTR would give me a reason to return but it was also a mess cause the promised "second pass" was being shelved in favour of another hotfix cause Azerite Traits were more important to fix.

    So I look at Shadowlands, waiting... listening... and I am not confident I will return this next expansion.
    Waiting is a smart move because the current PTR is very buggy as well as beta. Better wait and see what is fixed by early 2021.
    Battle for Abilities = WoD 2.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Rekz View Post
    I'll trust blizzard over your assessment. They've been doing this for a long time. It may very well be that your class is nerfed in which case, your class will feel as if it doesn't work correctly.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Trialle View Post
    With the release of the SL drop date and prepatch hopefully arriving in less than a month please in the replies let me know how BFA helped taint the last 2 years of your lives. (to those people who began in BFA/Legion that are going to tell me if you dont like it dont play, this game has been a part of my life since the 5th grade and I don't like seeing something i love treated so horribly. So if you guys could just go run some more visions to actually make your character perform worse with sockets that would be for the best<3 )

    First we have to acknowledge that WONDERFUL launch of BFA. I play on Area 52 myself and let me tell you was I livid that all I could do was watch people literally finishing leveling toons before blizzard implemented a patch at the end of the first and arguably the most nostalgic day of an expansion. I personally love to PvP its what I fell in love with 12 years ago with WoW and it broke my heart watching blizzard literally brush off whatever the community had to say. After the original blizzcon for almost all intents and purposes the devs abandoned PvP and only fixed the issues that made viewing it on twitch for the AWC was a little less mind numbing but not by much. We also cannot forget when they lead players to believe that we would be crowd funding along with blizzard's minimum amount promice to support the AWC and MDI and not just lining blizzards pockets and helping them not have to pay much for either tournament. That move was disgusting and greedy but completely in line with what i've come to expect personally. Im sure those of you reading this probably watch the MDI/AWC so I shouldn't need to discuss the horrible lack of class diversity at the top tier of game play in either "E-sport".

    We where told at the end of legion that they ended production early in order to make BFA an A+ expansion but we got..well we got shit and there is no other way to put it. I hope that we aren't being fed the same lie with SL but over the past 5 years im sure we have all learned to take what comes out of their marketing teams mouths with a grain of salt.
    First of all, it was first xpack (except MOP, where I bought it) in my life, I was able to test not even on Beta, but on Alpha. Overall I liked leveling and at some point even thought, that Blizzard learned Legion's lessons, and even wanted to pre-order it. But difficulty jump at 119->120 destroyed all my dreams. Tried to do some WQs. Experience was still horrible. All standard outdoor content design problems were still there. Such as getting from flight master to WQ on a ground through crowds of mobs, that were constantly respawning and were way too hard for my character at that point, so playing such game would be about suffering from exceeding difficulty for several months and I no longer wanted to play game, I don't actually enjoy and where fun is gated beyond several months of suffering. I thought, that I wouldn't bear playing such content in a long term, so I decided to wait till 8.2. Then I returned not long before 8.2. Overall old 8.0-8.1 content was good at that point due to catch ups. For example I liked invasions very much. But when 8.2 arrived... it was horrible again. Overtuned Nazjatar and Mechagon, where whole gameplay was about circling around isle, while waiting for random spawns. I didn't like it, decided to quit again, but prior to that I decided to grind some mounts from Isle Expeditions. From chests of course. They reminded me, that it's bad idea to mess with RNG in this game, as unlucky streak was beyond reasonable limits. At the end I had to wait for proper Isle/Mobs in rotation and got my mount from there, as it refused to drop from 30+ chests (I had to grind second half of them in "real time", sitting 24/7 on that Isles). Yeah, it was fun, cuz this content wasn't that annoying and tedious. I had to just routinely spam them. But whole fact, that RNG is so broken it this game... At the end I decided to return to 8.3 to check, if it brought some improvements. It didn't. Whole design was just mix of Mechagon and Nazjatar + Visions, i.e. some sort of time-limited challenging content, I don't like anyway. So, goodbye BFA. Worst xpack in Wow history for me, as it's the least played one. Even MOP wasn't that bad. And WOD was just great in comparison with it, as I spent 2 years, leveing alts on 3 servers to fill my garrisons. Not due to gold, but just for fun.

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