"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Zorvaal was the jailer's name prior to being confined in the maw by the elders.
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It was the part that most stood out to me. :-)
Anyway, I don't think the theory is the wrongest that any theory could ever be, at this point just from the presence of Shadowmourne and The Helm of Domination we know that there's a connection to the Shadowlands that I believe has been said that the Dreadlords obtained the sword and helm from there and gave it to KJ who fused in the soul of Ner'Zul into the helm.
So it very well could be that he's the progenitor of the Dreadlords and maybe the crime the jailer was sent to the Maw for was that he was sending his agents - the dreadlords - into other realms to obtain anima for the Shadowlands and himself in particular upsetting the balance but was stopped by the 4 other founders before it could go too far.
However using just a character model in a game of bipedal character models where they also just tend to put spikes on everything feels like an attempt at an aesthetic association, but I get that it's fun to make the connection as we wait for lore that would either corroborate your feelings giving you the "Yes! I knew it!" moment or says you're wrong and you're just out 30 minutes of writing something on MMO-champ.
Either way, it's a fun theory, I just think it's a thin one.
They are filled with fel energy not death energy as ONLY demons get banished to twisting nether when they die and dreadlords do that and lastly we see the so rarely use pure death magic its just a strech they use mostly void or fel. Lastly it was never specified dreadlords changed in any way when sargeras gave them his fel.
Pointers are extremely thing as we have seen nathrezim be able to leave twisting nether far more easily than any other demons so we can just assume dreadlord stealing plate of the damned was their specialiy.
Only thing which little bit imply nathrezim having same origin is name sire denathrius and his title lord of the dread but with that logic tichondrius originates from void having the title "the darkener" lastly similiar kind of names don't really prove anything castle nathria and vampiric magic is by users of death, fel and void so that too isn't really a prove. I don't mean to say this theory can't be true just thats these are not that hard of a evidence.
As if jailer originated from nathreza a planet inside twisting nether he must be demonic in nature and he doesn't show even one bit of demonic nature.
Last edited by Terongor; 2020-09-06 at 05:46 PM.
What I think: Current Blizzard writers kinda ignored that the old writers had already confirmed Dreadlords were a race of natural demons from before Sargeras created the Burning Legion, now they're trying to pull this 62D plan that has been in execution all this time and that Dreadlords never were actually Demons but somehow related to the Death Realm despite the fact they started by announcing this expansion as having entities that haven't had any involvement with things till now in any respect (not the first time they've gone back on their statements) and they're trying desperately to link them into the old lore by scuppering all semblance of consistency.
Is the Jailer a Nathrezim? Maybe, It's all just ass pull "It was actually always this" lore now with little consideration for prior world building and lack of any desire to build and provide hints towards new revelations for Old lore before said revelation is just dumped with little worth or work towards interesting new lore that doesn't require destroying what came before.
Not fleshed out, true, but there are some inconsistencies regardless. The issue isn’t with their origin per se but with how their presence works with how the Lich King’s legacy will function this expansion. The Nathrezim are inherently very powerful in WC3, can control the scourge without any artifact, etc.
I don’t think whatever they introduce will work with what we’ve been shown, at least enough so that the changes aren’t obvious. That being said, Warcraft has never cared for this, even between the RTS games.
The whole race was demonic before sargeras and its usually it needs a creature of immense power in fel to turn entire race into demons like sargeras and we have no indication of such creature in fel being there before sargeras.... also ulthalesh most powerful dreadlord and who forced all demons in marduum to serve him until sargeras freed them and then ulthalesh was in small minority to oppose sargeras and he most likely was the leader of dreadlords so it would make no sense for him to do if he served zovaal.
Its more likely the race who is behind that message is the brokers.
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They did read chronicles 3 they retconned alot of stuff and what was planned and needed for shadowlands.
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We have Warcraft 1 necrolytes who were taugh by legion to do it and in few mentions they used either void or fel to reanimate the dead bodies so being able to control or make undeads isn't only death powers.
Got some Nathrezim vibes here for sure.
Zovaal is the Nathreza World Soul/Titan, I think it is pretty clear at this point which means Nathreza could exist in one of 2 places, the Twisting Nether or the Shadowlands which would also explain why Draka was able to go to their planet.
Blizzard taking the "_____ is really a dreadlord" meme too literally nowadays.
They are one in the same, which makes it look more and more like he was the one in control of Arthas the whole time and the reason he wanted to strip his humanity away fully so he would be an avatar in the living world. It looks like the Twisting Nether was the gateway to the world of the living from the Shadowlands which is how the Dreadlords took it and got it to Azeroth. If they are still loyal to Zovaal it makes it even more likely this was some kind of long game plan and that he is the Nathreza World Soul/Titan.
Jailer has 4 Fingers and a Thumb on each hand. Total of 5 digits per hand
Nathrezim iconically have 3 massive Fingers and 1 Thumb on each hand. Total of 4 digits per hand.
Not looking in favor of this theory considering the consistency until now if it were the case.
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So any merit to the belief that Zovaal functioned as the "Arbiter" role before being imprisoned in the Maw? Would make sense why he has a hole in his chest and the *current* Arbiter has whatever that is.
In a Discord channel I'm in they were discussing it and somebody presented a theory that Zovaal was originally (or still is?) one of the "Eternal Ones" - or "Pantheon of Death" - and probably functioned as what the Arbiter does now.
Mix in getting caught doing something with bad intentions, he gets imprisoned in the Maw, and his power to judge souls is moved to the Arbiter. Of course this doesn't explain the Arbiter's current lore but it was just a theory.