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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundering View Post
    that is partly true but players has been asking for it for years. So by that logic it should been here years ago.
    That makes no sense because the decision wasn't made only because players wanted it. It was also a matter of determining the feasibility of allocating resources away from retail to classic and whether that time investment was worth it. At some point Blizzard thought it was worth it, and here we are. It appears to be paying off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundering View Post
    There is more things at play and retail doing badly is well known.
    Can you specify how retail is doing badly? I'm not aware of it doing badly. I am aware that everyone has an opinion but opinions are not indicative of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Those numbers in that link are also from April.
    Considering that is like ~9 months after Classic release, that is still sizeable, considering that every content besides AQ and Naxx was available at this point.

    Classic numbers will continue to drop but that's completely fine as it's a finite game.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Especially since I notice that a lot of people complaining on the official forums about Classic servers being ghost towns.
    You have at the same time a lot of realm merges on Retail, so yeah, that's something as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Considering that is like ~9 months after Classic release, that is still sizeable, considering that every content besides AQ and Naxx was available at this point.

    Classic numbers will continue to drop but that's completely fine as it's a finite game.

    You have at the same time a lot of realm merges on Retail, so yeah, that's something as well.
    I'm not about to say that retail has a tremendous player base but this is typically how it goes the last couple months of an expansion. As usual, it will likely surge again with Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Those numbers in that link are also from April. I HIGHLY doubt Classic has those same numbers now. Especially since I notice that a lot of people complaining on the official forums about Classic servers being ghost towns.
    You realize the same thing has been happening to retail, right? Did you not see all the new server mergers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    You realize the same thing has been happening to retail, right? Did you not see all the new server mergers?
    "Yeah, well, like, your ghost town is bigger problem than our ghost town!" -every Classic fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    "Yeah, well, like, your ghost town is bigger problem than our ghost town!" -every Classic fan
    Yup. they ignore that Classic has far fewer servers so therefore their ghost towns are much more prominent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    You realize the same thing has been happening to retail, right? Did you not see all the new server mergers?
    Sure. A lot of servers are ghost towns but there's a lot MORE servers than Classic. So for Classic to have as many ghost towns as they do is a much larger representation of the servers than retail's mostly empty servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I'm not about to say that retail has a tremendous player base but this is typically how it goes the last couple months of an expansion
    Realms merges aren't something that has usually happened, though, let alone at that scale.

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    I might be wrong, but I recall Blizzard saying it may be in the cards in the future. imo is far more possible to have WoTLK+, since classics will probably before Cata.
    thinly veiled high elf thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Realms merges aren't something that has usually happened, though, let alone at that scale.
    To be fair, they're addressing a long-standing problem that they've let stagnate for the better part of a couple years. It may seem like they're doing "a lot" but what they're actually doing is what they should have been doing all along but put off on the back burner for as long as possible.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Realms merges aren't something that has usually happened, though, let alone at that scale.
    Tbh, the game in general seems to be hardcore dying. Both Classic and retail are seeing dead servers more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Tbh, the game in general seems to be hardcore dying. Both Classic and retail are seeing dead servers more and more.
    It's the content drought before a major expansion. The game seems much more active atm than it was at the end of WoD going into Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    It's the content drought before a major expansion. The game seems much more active atm than it was at the end of WoD going into Legion.
    This is very true. I main roleplay servers and even those are pretty populated. The couple of PvE servers I'm on also have at least some people online even outside of peak hours. But as you said, it's the drought before an expansion so I expected it.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    I might be wrong, but I recall Blizzard saying it may be in the cards in the future. imo is far more possible to have WoTLK+, since classics will probably before Cata.
    I could see that, actually. Cata was where the major divergence started, both in gameplay and story. WotLK+ would make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Just because you're unwilling to accept it doesn't mean the information is wrong.
    Smashing argument, supported by an obscure blog with no info how they gathered their data.

    Do you personally believe WoW has 80 million players right now?

    And such a great argument that it also works in response to "No way the earth is flat"

    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenik View Post
    I think the fallacy is jumping to the conclusion that he said classic+ was confirmed?
    Luckily I put a question mark after my sentence. Should have added the good old /s as well.

    But I answered to this earlier. Basically both sides use the fact that Blizzard changed their minds on Classic servers to further their arguments:
    "They changed their minds on this once, now they will always change it on every issue"
    "Just because they changed their minds doesn't mean they do it again"

    In addition: Was the topic of Classic+ even ever addressed by Blizzard? And why do people think Classic+ would be anything remotely that they like better than retail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Smashing argument, supported by an obscure blog with no info how they gathered their data.

    Do you personally believe WoW has 80 million players right now?

    And such a great argument that it also works in response to "No way the earth is flat"



    Luckily I put a question mark after my sentence. Should have added the good old /s as well.

    But I answered to this earlier. Basically both sides use the fact that Blizzard changed their minds on Classic servers to further their arguments:
    "They changed their minds on this once, now they will always change it on every issue"
    "Just because they changed their minds doesn't mean they do it again"

    In addition: Was the topic of Classic+ even ever addressed by Blizzard? And why do people think Classic+ would be anything remotely that they like better than retail?
    I literally addressed the 80m claim already. Though the daily player numbers sound pretty accurate.

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    Weird way of saying "classic is as boring as everyone said it would be and i can't stand it anymore".

    You thought you did, but you didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I literally addressed the 80m claim already. Though the daily player numbers sound pretty accurate.
    They do indeed. But that is all we have...a feeling that they sound accurate. Same with other sources like warcraftrealms etc....where we just have no idea how they get the data and how accurate it really is.

    Quote Originally Posted by oplawlz View Post
    I could see that, actually. Cata was where the major divergence started, both in gameplay and story. WotLK+ would make sense.
    Storywise, I felt that Outland was off. Here I was, just getting used to Azeroth, the races and the lore...and now I am whisked away into space?

    Maybe it worked for the lore buffs, who knew the Dark Portal was so important and what role Illidan plays. I think it would have felt more coherent to me if WotLK followed Vanilla. But yeah...Cata with also changing Azeroth (and many quests) definitely was the big divergence.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    https://mmo-population.com/blog/wow-...-whats-bigger/

    From April and I'd be willing to bet both numbers are lower by now but Retail still has four times the number of people playing than Classic does.
    Unreliable numbers, says nothing about how many of those players are Classic exclusive, and Classic released phase 4 in April and just resently released the AQ patch. Apart from pandemic restrictions loosening and people spending less time at home (and getting sick again), there's no reason to assume that Classic has a lower player count now.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivank0v View Post
    You wanted Classic, you got Classic. Enjoy the Vanilla experience.
    No he didn't. Can people stop saying that? Realized that the people that wanted the classic experience back aren't the same people who jumped the bandwagon and now want to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    Fucking this. I don’t understand why the classic neckbeard community is so against this.
    Because it wouldn't be Classic anymore, is that so hard to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I can only echo what other people have said.
    Whether Classic is bigger or not is one thing, but whipping out a statistic that suggest Retail has like 80M players or subscribers is flat out bogus.
    What do they mean "total" as in subscribed from the start? That makes sense, but why would classic have only 22mil then? Or do they mean the game currently has 80 million subs? Because that's bs. They're trying to say that the game has 7 times the subscriber count it did in Wrath? Why would there be a single "medium" server if that was the case? Why would they need to merge servers if that was the case, instead they'd have to create dozens more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Let's assume for a minute they are true.

    Retail has like 2.31M Players and Classic has 1.52M.
    If we assume (for the sake of the argument) that there isn't a big overlap between Classic and Retail players (which probably exist), then about 40% of WoW Players are primarily playing Classic.

    That is an argument to make Classic look bad?
    If that's true, then Classic alone has more people than FFXIV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    To be fair, they're addressing a long-standing problem that they've let stagnate for the better part of a couple years.
    Fair enough, altough i'd still argue that BfA has magnified this issue by a lot.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Tbh, the game in general seems to be hardcore dying. Both Classic and retail are seeing dead servers more and more.
    Yeah, in Classic you also have the snowball effect on small servers that once people start transferring to other servers, which in turn makes people quit or transfer as well.
    Blizzard even said back in March that there wouldn't be a need for layering if people spread more evenly among servers.

    The Network effect is the MMO's greatest friend and enemy, once your friends start playing, you'll also likely start playing, once you friends start quitting, you often quit as well.
    Retail is (ironically) probably less affected by that because it's far easier to find avenues that you can do solo than in Classic.

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