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  1. #181
    No. Survival Rules.

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    Just stopped by to say I love current Survival. For me it really rounds out the class. It's definitely not a real melee class. It really only has 1 melee range ability and even that can be used at ranged for short periods. It's also incredibly strong in PvP so no complaints here.

    Only sidenote is that I don't think the whack-a-mole rotation is very interesting for a PvE main but that's about it.

  3. #183
    Nope. Legion and BFA shadow priest was the worst.

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    I enjoy it, it's pretty fun, especially with Wildfire Infusion and it's because the default Hunter spec for PVP in 2's, but that could be because BM and MM suck. I don't think it helps that Hunter is still considered Ranged DPS when invited to groups, and that BM is a simple spec to play and does the most damage. I prefer it to the Legion version and I don't remember Survival particularly well from MoP/WoD era.

    I used to really like MM but that was before Rapid Fire existed as a rotational ability and you could muder people with Aimed Shot/Chimera Shot combos.
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    It's fun on paper but needs a little love in practice. However, the Legion/BFA Shadow rework, I think, takes the crown for worst. If not, it's hotly contending with WoD Arms for the top spot. What an absolute abortion of a spec reimagining that turned out to be.
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  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstrike View Post
    It's fun to play. Blizz just don't seem to want it to do actual damage. It's legitimately been a tuning issue for like 4 years, all they have to do is make Survival abilities do real damage and it'll join Outlaw, DH and Arms at the 'peak M+ DPS' table.

    This. There's nothing much to add to this. If there would be any relation between skill cap and a skill based scaling dps reward it should be at the top 3 dps speccs overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilian View Post

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    By the way, i wonder, why are people so angry about the new Survival hunter? I mean... in general, Survival have always been the least popular option, it may have had a path or 2 where it shinned, but... it wasn't really popular either.

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    MOP & WOD would like to have a word with you.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by ulululu View Post
    This. There's nothing much to add to this. If there would be any relation between skill cap and a skill based scaling dps reward it should be at the top 3 dps speccs overall.
    Survival is not hard to play. Hunters are just used to the gameplay of BM so they think anything more complicated than that requires skills.

  9. #189
    I loved Legion's version of Survival. BfA's wasn't too bad. I think the Survival revamp was good and is still the right choice. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't get the tuning right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I loved Legion's version of Survival. BfA's wasn't too bad. I think the Survival revamp was good and is still the right choice. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesn't get the tuning right.
    The biggest problem they made was still jsut that it was BM that should have been the Melee spec, not Survival.

  11. #191
    I really like it, imo it plays a lot better than the other two hunter specs. Would like MM to go back to cata-wod playstyle. Surv to be as it is. BM whatever.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The biggest problem they made was still jsut that it was BM that should have been the Melee spec, not Survival.
    This is something I've read quite often and I agree, Survival is relying as much as BM on the pet and therefore it would have made more sense to turn BM into the "new" Survival.
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    Enhance is worst. DW should have never happened. Every expansion just getting worse and worse. SL is first time it started looking better but that damn spec is still useless in pvp.

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    nah at least the SvH has a decent rotation and feels pretty natural to play. Voidform SPriest is the all-time worst and I'd argue that Demo Lock is up there right next to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonfiend76 View Post
    MOP & WOD would like to have a word with you.
    Well... i guess you have a point, i didn't play much as hunter in those exp (weird), but if i remember correctly, Survival was the go to for PVE and Beast Master the go to for PVP (at least in MOP, as i did play enough Hunter to know unlike WOD, that i spend most of my time doing old dungeons and hunting mounts to notice what was the most "relevant" spec in that exp)

  16. #196
    Just four words:

    Demonology warlock since Legion

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    Survival is spec with which i had most fun in last two expansion.
    My biggest concern is loosing Primeval Intuition which should have been baked in as baseline for SL.
    Im also not sure why Blizzard decided to leave out Fury of The Eagle when they did BFA rework, it was quite nice spell to see and press on top of Mongoose Fury window.

    But we have more pressing matters, as mentioned above it looks like Blizzard want Survival to be RP spec rather than doing actual damage, and this is a issue that we drag along since Legion.

    Sadly, other melees simply perform better with far less button presses, and Survival is noncomparable with classes like reworked Outlaw which can keep Blade Flurry 100% up, Frost DKs or DHs which are, in their own way, killing machines, AoE or focused ST.

    Since its too late for any kind of core gameplay changes i really hope that Survival will get some well deserved buffs to their numbers and maaaaybeeee some changes to their legendaries.
    Last edited by Gurg; 2020-10-17 at 01:13 AM.

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    I agree. Survival is fun for sure but I use it for an RP spec.

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