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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by LazuOG View Post
    That statement is so flawed, Blizzard tried to release it despite early negative feedback.
    There are no flaws in my statement, you disagreeing with it is a different matter altogether.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Underverse View Post
    Ion's done a good job. I can't really think of a single other game the same age as WoW that is still so successful.
    I believe this is IN SPITE of Ion actually.

    Ion is clearly driving these decisions. They follow his overall view that the game be grindy, the PVE gear trumps PVP gear in all scenarios (going back to his EJ days), that "Meaningful choices" need to be made, complex systems are good, and things like Corruption and Conduits can actually be balanced.

    Maybe people think those are good decisions. I personally think these decisions are hurting the game and the subscriber base.

    You're right though. This is the most successful game in history by almost any measure. I wish the devs would give the benefit of the doubt to the original designers though. At this point, they should focus on being responsible custodians of the game. If they want to design something unique, I'm sure Blizzard would give them that opportunity.

    Personally, I don't think Ion should be fired. He should be sent back to raid design though. Or maybe he should be given the reigns to create another game. I am just tired of him ruining the game I've loved for the past 15 years.
    If I wanted to be melee, I would have rolled a Rogue.

  3. #243
    Ion should be fired because he behaves like a condescending asshole towards the playerbase. That alone should be enough to get rid of him.

  4. #244
    Does this thread really have any meaningful discussion value?

    It's just a bunch of people voicing "he hurt my fee-fees" with no real practical reason why anyone should be fired.

    You can choose to like or hate the design choices, that's all fine. But to say he's not listening because he's not doing what you want is being a Karen.
    Last edited by Triceron; 2020-09-15 at 06:46 PM.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Ion should be fired because he behaves like a condescending asshole towards the playerbase. That alone should be enough to get rid of him.
    citation needed? I dont watch most of his interviews but of the ones I have, I never got the impression that he was condescending

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Legends303 View Post
    I never felt insulted in my life with that recent post he did about moving full steam ahead with their bad game design decisions. They got detailed feedback on why covenant power was not going to work but lol we are going to move forward anyway, even though we said we not move forward with covenant power if there was enough negative feedback, they lied as usual . We need a new game director fast because Ion is destroying the game with his bad decisions, look how many people left after BFA, I guess they’re going to continue this trend in Shadowlands. It has gotten so bad even their most ardent defenders are coming out against this such as Wowhead, Icy Veins, T & E, Nobbel etc. Also the endgame zone the maw not being done before it’s near release is a disgrace.
    WHY DONT THEY DO WHAT I WANT!

    have fun with life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbob View Post
    citation needed? I dont watch most of his interviews but of the ones I have, I never got the impression that he was condescending
    the playerbase is full of condescending assholes, only seems fair.

    p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Does this thread really have any meaningful discussion value?

    It's just a bunch of people voicing "he hurt my fee-fees" with no real practical reason why anyone should be fired.

    You can choose to like or hate the design choices, that's all fine. But to say he's not listening because he's not doing what you want is being a Karen.
    i mean, the number of posts on mmochamp that have any meaningful discussion value are pretty low. and always seems to get a little lower as time goes on.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Legends303 View Post
    I never felt insulted in my life with that recent post he did about moving full steam ahead with their bad game design decisions. They got detailed feedback on why covenant power was not going to work but lol we are going to move forward anyway, even though we said we not move forward with covenant power if there was enough negative feedback, they lied as usual . We need a new game director fast because Ion is destroying the game with his bad decisions, look how many people left after BFA, I guess they’re going to continue this trend in Shadowlands. It has gotten so bad even their most ardent defenders are coming out against this such as Wowhead, Icy Veins, T & E, Nobbel etc. Also the endgame zone the maw not being done before it’s near release is a disgrace.
    Go away. No one needs you.

    1. They said that there would be a major update to covenants soon.

    2. Read the first one.

    3. Be quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggroll View Post
    Ion should be fired because he behaves like a condescending asshole towards the playerbase. That alone should be enough to get rid of him.
    And you should be fired from yours for being one too.

    That would be fair.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    I actually wonder what would happen if we let Asmongold take his position
    then blizzard's headquarters will be filled with half filled sodas or opened sodas but never touched.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    You are a major hypocrite. What happened to devs being people too?

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ve-to-hate-wow
    Different thread, different persona probably

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    “but that is see as a last recourse."
    “conservative changes once were live”
    “doing that in a patch in the next tier“

    Unless all of these mean something drastically different to you I wouldn’t say that’s any where near a reasonable assumption or even that the timeline was unclear.

    But you can lead a horse and all that.
    Look dude, all I'm saying is that the communication could have been clearer. If this were the first time Ion has given us a half-assed answer that later turned out to be not completely true, I'd be a lot more willing to sweep this one incident under the rug. But when this kind of obfuscation (whether intentional or not) is a clear pattern of his communication to the playerbase it's not completely unreasonable to ask for a more direct approach.

  11. #251
    no person should be fired for doing something you do not like in a game

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    or there is one, and they still can pull it, they just dont think its necesary, which a lot of people would agree...
    or do you have anything suggesting they didnt have the ripcord in place other than them not pulling it? bcs that means pretty much nothing...

    We’ve also heard from many players who, rather than being worried about regretting their choice, would prefer that they not have to choose at all; they have advocated that we offer a way to switch among the various active abilities offered by covenants without friction. But these covenant systems are thoroughly intertwined: Covenant abilities are often modified by covenant-specific conduits and soulbinds; most of those soulbinds in turn are unlocked through covenant-specific narrative campaigns. Granting access to one of these without the others would lead to an incomplete or confusing result. In short, pulling on that thread (or cord, as it were) would unravel the entire fabric of the system. Even so, we would embrace the work required to rebuild the covenant system along those lines if we agreed that it would be an improvement, but we ultimately do not share that view.

    This is taken out if their recent big Blue Post.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...ge=11#comments


    That is them saying there is no ripcord, since the system is too dependent on itself to justify doing what Ion promised us would be a possibility.
    They also clarify that, while it would be possible to work around those obstacles and pull the figurative cord, they are never going to do so.

    Reading these things beforehand helps when trying to make an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    He never said any thing about easily pulling the rip cord he said it would be a last recourse and the ripcord in question would be them putting in the time to de couple every thing and make them work unliked to covenants which is exactly what they said they would do in his blue post.

    There was no lawyer talk there was no weaselling he said what the plan was for the coming months and then in the blue post told us what the plan he already gave looked like in practice.
    In his interview with preach he worded it differently as far as I remember. Much more inclined to reserve this as a legitimate possibility.

    And there was a lot of weaseling in all of his player interviews. I think you should rewatch those again and pay attention. There's no point in arguing about this with you, since this is an established fact. The guy is a lawyer for hecks sake, don't try to white knight the dude out of his degree, he worked hard to earn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    I mean... how did that work with Ghostcrawler? Did anything improve after he left? What makes you think it will this time?
    If I remember right cata went to shit while he was still in office, backtracking on their "get gud" post and everything but I could be wrong I don't remember exactly when he left. He did communicate more though and posted on the forums so he was the fall guy. He still communicates more than anyone else at Blizz with his AmA's even about WoW while he's working at riot that gives a little more insight to how they do things.

    Basically no 1 person makes a design decision so its them as a collective doing retarded changes. (we're not counting the true puppet masters, the suits)
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by LazuOG View Post
    Reading these things beforehand helps when trying to make an argument.
    and actualy understanding would help more, but i see you didnt bother with that...
    bcs from the blue post it seems more like the potential ripcord was different than what players expected (for example allowing changing whole covenants on run like talents not just decoupling it from power) but i guess that wouldnt fit your narrative about "blizz bad"... too bad, you seemed reasonable, but i see i was wrong...

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    I love how everyone's complaints with Covenants were that there was going to be one path that was the best and everything else would prevent you from getting invites... so they made it so that you can actually switch covenants easily, and now the complaint is that they'll be unbalanced... even though you can switch as you please and they're obviously going to be tuning things to be as close as possible.

    Like, seriously, they addressed the complaint and fixed the issue. You can switch covenants all you want. Stop looking for things to complain about.
    They didn’t change anything

    The plan was always for swapping to an abandoned covenant to be a multi week thing

    The covenants have always been unbalanced and while changing the soulbind system to all have 3 output slots that’s the only change that has happened

    The abilities are not going to be balanced at all

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    I already had this discussion with you in another thread but it's kind of frustrating to see you continuing to double down on this histrionic version of events. Words have meanings and if there was never an intention to "pull the rip cord" then he shouldn't have said anything about it in the first place. For a guy who is very careful with the words he says it's hard to believe that this was an "on-the-spot" verbal gaffe as I've seen people suggest rather than an intentional attempt to placate portions of the game's community who were (and still are) very concerned with the way Covenants are going to shake out.
    This. There's no way to argue in favour of the way he conducted himself publicly. He was always amiable towards his respective audience, contradicting himself in subtext. And when someone talks in a cryptic and ambiguous manner, subtext is the lions share of information.

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