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    [Disc] How to keep changing your focus? (Not talking about /focus)

    Cross-posting in the Paladin forums for similar topic.

    I used to heal on a Holy Paladin when it was a more traditional “tunnel health bars” healer. Ever since they changed the spec to be a melee healer where you want to be attacking and doing damage, I’ve had trouble adjusting and have mostly just given up trying to heal as a paladin. I’m having trouble changing my focus back and forth and back and forth between “Healing mode” looking at health bars and “Attack mode” looking at the battlefield, attacking, target swapping, avoiding melee mechanics in the melee mosh pit if I’m in my paladin, etc. I’m looking for some advice on things people did to help them adjust to a more damage-oriented healing style.

    I’m comfortable doing one or the other, but constantly swapping between the two repeatedly hasn’t been easy. I get caught up in doing damage and I don’t heal enough. I heal too much and I don’t do enough damage and don’t get enough crusader strikes in to reset holy shock. It’s been hard to learn. Looking for advice.

    Similarly, I’m very comfortable as Holy Priest, but it always kinda sucks so I need to learn Disc or Holy Pally to progress what I’m able to accomplish. Even standing at ranged, I have the same issue with disc. It’s been hard for me to learn to swap between healing and doing damage. It’s like my brain can’t process it. And it’s not like, say, shaman where maybe I can just cast some lightning bolts, flame shocks and lava bursts in downtime. That’s easy. But doing damage *to* heal... I just haven’t been successful in picking it up. Any advice? Anyone have the same problem?

    Hope I explained that correctly. Thank you in advance.

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    Discipline priest has one big advantage over other healers - it does not need to stop doing damage to heal. Your damage is not a way to proc your healing, your damage is source of your healing. The downside is that atonement healing is not that strong to keep your group up at all occasions, so you really need to know when it's time to damage and when it's time to spam heals or use your CDs.

    Firstly, you shall realize your atonement healing is more of a maintanance. You spread your atonements and then do damage. Usually, it will be enough to keep your party topped.

    Secondly, knowledge of the content you are doing is really important for discipline. Once you are doing some content, you shall really learn to foresee what's about to happen. In raid environment, it's usually not that hard, since boss abilities have timers and are triggered at certain circumstances. In m+ environment, it's harder to foresee what's about to happen, it all depends on what affixes are on at the time, but once you run m+ more often, you will find out what trash is problematic in each dungeon, what to expect of other classes in your party, etc.

    The biggest issue for disc is unpredictable damage. Bad pulls, people not following mechanics, taking unnecessary damage and not using their defensives/self heals hurt you more than other healers. Back in Legion, we had Light's Wrath to do some emergency burst healing which could get us out of trouble. We lacked that in BfA. In SL, Venthyr ability Mindgames is shaping up to be fine addition to our burst potential, mimicing Light's Wrath if used with Schism.

    I would say that you really need to practise a lot with disc. The playstyle is really different to other healers, it's a challenge, but it is fun, even thou it's kind of clunky thanks to the constant need of atonement reaplication. I also struggled when I began with the spec, but it got way better as I did some dungeon runs.

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    Thanks, but that doesn’t exactly answer my question. I’m not really asking about the healing style and how to do it. I know that part. I’m asking what people did to help them adjust from “health bar whack-a-mole” to the more active healing + damage combination that is required, given that your attention now needs to be divided between attacking enemies and attacking “health bars.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham on Rye View Post
    Thanks, but that doesn’t exactly answer my question. I’m not really asking about the healing style and how to do it. I know that part. I’m asking what people did to help them adjust from “health bar whack-a-mole” to the more active healing + damage combination that is required, given that your attention now needs to be divided between attacking enemies and attacking “health bars.”
    Well, then it is the matter of your interface. There are tons of addons which can you help watch health bars and help you better handle healing and dealing damage at the same time. I would advise you trying out some of them and see what you like most.

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    I know what you mean. When I've started playing my druid alt, I was in the same situation. I would go in to healing mode and forget to DPS for half the dungeon, or shift to cat and let half the party die cause I've been watching my energy regen. But for me it was mostly a matter of time and practice. And a bit of muscle memory.

    I don't know your situation, but try giving it more time. Maybe run normal/heroic raid with a bad group, so that you're wiping on the same bosses over and over, to the point where any decent player would be able to do it with their eyes closed.

    Don't really know what else to say. It was time for me, always. When healing on the priest, I feel like there is nothing to do, because class mechanics don't really take up my attention any more. But that's over a decade of playing it speaking. When I play other classes, I get flustered all the time, but it goes away with time.

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    Well, it kinda helps to have help/harm macros and target of target so you dont need to change target from the person you´re healing.

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    I lazy heal with modern paladin, the only damage I do is judgement and aoe when I can.

    I also don't use add-ons to heal and am able to heal mythic dungeons just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham on Rye View Post
    Cross-posting in the Paladin forums for similar topic.
    Similarly, I’m very comfortable as Holy Priest, but it always kinda sucks so I need to learn Disc or Holy Pally to progress what I’m able to accomplish. Even standing at ranged, I have the same issue with disc. It’s been hard for me to learn to swap between healing and doing damage. It’s like my brain can’t process it. And it’s not like, say, shaman where maybe I can just cast some lightning bolts, flame shocks and lava bursts in downtime. That’s easy. But doing damage *to* heal... I just haven’t been successful in picking it up. Any advice? Anyone have the same problem?

    Hope I explained that correctly. Thank you in advance.
    For me(when I was learning it), It wasn't a focus issue. It is a POV issue. I came from druid healing(Hots with a few bursts). So I see disc from that point of view...
    Atonement is a hot(You put it on a target that is about to take damage or needs to slowly be topped off). Just like with druid...if you don't have the hots on BEFORE the spike damage...your tank will die
    Direct damage is just a healing spell...It works just like any other heal. I cast it...my allies heal
    Pain is just a hot...It works like any other hot...you put it out...it heals over time...

    I just think of them as healing spells and ignore the fact that they do damage. It helps that I use macros that let me heal in the same way I used to. (Target of target)(or focus target). I want to heal the tank? then I select the tank and atonement and cast my "heal spells". I want to heal a dps. I can do the same. I never target a mob unless damage is really low(then I do Pain spam)...

    So for me it isn't a swapping focus. I just consider all of my damage spells to be heal spells. I measure their healing based on how much they heal. I target allies to heal them... Same idea...I just get to do it slightly differently then druid.

    Food for thought: Are you sure the "focus" is what you are having trouble with? You are coming from Holy and Shamen(the two most reactive healers) to Pali and Disc(the two most pre-active healers)
    Last edited by dojichan; 2020-09-17 at 04:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xummy View Post
    Well, it kinda helps to have help/harm macros and target of target so you dont need to change target from the person you´re healing.
    I use vuhdo to heal. I never need to change target off the enemy we’re fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dojichan View Post

    Food for thought: Are you sure the "focus" is what you are having trouble with? You are coming from Holy and Shamen(the two most reactive healers) to Pali and Disc(the two most pre-active healers)
    I’m sure that is a large factor. It’s a different way of thinking.

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