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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I cannot comment publicly on the cases in particular, but let's just say this very generally:

    ICE should be fired into the goddamn sun. I've been running on rage for a week now, and I don't care if I have to rip that agency down brick by brick with my bare hands. Any agency which is staffed by police department rejects was bound to end up like this, and we've been saying that for A LITERAL DECADE.
    Besides the election, how can we help?
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  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Besides the election, how can we help?
    There's all sorts of NGOs that deal with this sort of thing, especially along the border, but I mainly work with the ACLU. Human Rights First is pretty good as well.

    Immigration law is kind of stacked against immigrants in this country though. Even though law is on our side (asylum seeking is a right guaranteed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which we are a party to, as well as ICCPR and the '67 protocol on refugees), and the law of the Constitution supposedly applies to anyone legally within our borders (which asylum seekers are), the courts that review this are not part of the Judicial branch of government.

    In fact, the EOIR (Executive Office of Immigration Review) is, as you might be able to tell from its title, is entirely under the Executive branch, and EOIR/BIA (Board of Immigration Appeals) goes as the Executive goes. It is, like DAs who kowtow to police forces that they work closely with, a rubber stamp for most ICE/Homeland actions. Technically, you can appeal from the BIA to the Circuit Court of Appeals, but almost none of those cases were ever deemed serious enough to be heard en banc, and usually were highly deferential to the BIA rulings, as long as you toed a certain line. IE, until the Trump administration started flouting it, none of these cases went anywhere.

    One of the things EOIR/BIA loves to do is differentiate on one of the "loopholes" of asylum status. To have a successful claim for asylum, you have to show that the persecution you face is "inescapable" if you were to stay in your own country. In the U.S., we've decided that means the persecution has to come from your government - which is why Cubans get asylum very easily. But if you're from El Salvador, and MS-13 has killed your family and runs your town, the U.S. will very much deny your asylum based on the fact that "the police can protect you, the government can protect you" from MS-13, even if those institutions are wholly corrupted by gangs. The same goes for the cartels in South America. Because they hold no official government power, the U.S. denies asylum to the people persecuted by the cartels, even these organization, in practical fact, do control their local governance.

    It's a frustrating field to work in, to say the least.

    As for what this article is about - this is a gross violation of human rights, and should be referred to appropriate authorities as a crime against humanity.

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    Considering the rhetoric from the GOP has been a constant attempt in dehumanizing these people what yes is a method the nazies also used to make it more acceptable for people harm these people.

    The sad part these American conservatives do not know simply because their level of education or their knowledge of history is fairly selective, is that Nazi Germany was not a good place to life that is excluding the war. Those advocates for personal freedoms that wish to only restrict them to "true americans" only are the same people who will remove them from all Americans in the end.

    These so called conservatives would be wise to read up of how dire the times were for Germans in Nazi Germany. You might want to look up plans like lebensborn, although some of you social rejects and thus incels might like the idea as it increases your abysmal chances of getting laid without paying for it marginally, but not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    do you think communism is left??? Like truly you people don't seem to understand shit about politics.

    "I don't agree that fascism is right" it just so happens just about every single policy they have is right wing but you don't want to call them what they are?

    Left authoritarians? Where and how and what are they doing?
    Best to not argue with people about communism who don't even know who figures like Trotsky were.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    There's all sorts of NGOs that deal with this sort of thing, especially along the border, but I mainly work with the ACLU. Human Rights First is pretty good as well.

    Immigration law is kind of stacked against immigrants in this country though. Even though law is on our side (asylum seeking is a right guaranteed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which we are a party to, as well as ICCPR and the '67 protocol on refugees), and the law of the Constitution supposedly applies to anyone legally within our borders (which asylum seekers are), the courts that review this are not part of the Judicial branch of government.

    In fact, the EOIR (Executive Office of Immigration Review) is, as you might be able to tell from its title, is entirely under the Executive branch, and EOIR/BIA (Board of Immigration Appeals) goes as the Executive goes. It is, like DAs who kowtow to police forces that they work closely with, a rubber stamp for most ICE/Homeland actions. Technically, you can appeal from the BIA to the Circuit Court of Appeals, but almost none of those cases were ever deemed serious enough to be heard en banc, and usually were highly deferential to the BIA rulings, as long as you toed a certain line. IE, until the Trump administration started flouting it, none of these cases went anywhere.

    One of the things EOIR/BIA loves to do is differentiate on one of the "loopholes" of asylum status. To have a successful claim for asylum, you have to show that the persecution you face is "inescapable" if you were to stay in your own country. In the U.S., we've decided that means the persecution has to come from your government - which is why Cubans get asylum very easily. But if you're from El Salvador, and MS-13 has killed your family and runs your town, the U.S. will very much deny your asylum based on the fact that "the police can protect you, the government can protect you" from MS-13, even if those institutions are wholly corrupted by gangs. The same goes for the cartels in South America. Because they hold no official government power, the U.S. denies asylum to the people persecuted by the cartels, even these organization, in practical fact, do control their local governance.

    It's a frustrating field to work in, to say the least.

    As for what this article is about - this is a gross violation of human rights, and should be referred to appropriate authorities as a crime against humanity.
    Well, thank you for what you do. I already donate to the ACLU.
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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.



    There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.
    Yes, she was supposed to have 1 ovary removed, the doctor removed the wrong one, and had to go back in and remove the other, which made her sterile now.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.



    There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.
    Defend this shit now......
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/physician...162847954.html

    The physician accused of performing unwanted hysterectomies in an ICE detention center is not a board certified OB-GYN

    In the complaint, Dawn Wooten, a licensed practical nurse who was previously employed by the center and is represented by Project South and Government Accountability Project, reported witnessing a large number of hysterectomies performed on immigrant women detained in the facility.’

    "Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody," Wooten said of one doctor who she described as "the uterus collector." Three lawyers cited by NBC News later identified the physician as Dr. Mahendra Amin.
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    And here we go:

    Senate Democrats are open to pushing for additional Supreme Court seats if they take majority.

    If Biden wins and the Senate flips, SCOTUS will be 11 or 13 seats.

    Fucking WOW.

  8. #248
    Nazi Germany didn't start with gas chambers. I've been saying this for years.

    But Goopers, Trumpkins and "classical liberals" will defend and excuse and downplay this all the way to the crematoriums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And here we go:

    Senate Democrats are open to pushing for additional Supreme Court seats if they take majority.

    If Biden wins and the Senate flips, SCOTUS will be 11 or 13 seats.

    Fucking WOW.
    1. Not gonna happen cuz Trump will steal the elections and the Gooper SCOTUS will make it legal.

    2. Even if Biden actually wins and dems take the Senate and somehow Trump actually concedes (he won't), the DNC will never actually back an expansion of the court because they are corporate sell outs. For this to happen the DNC would need to whip every Senator in line which won't happen.

    And Biden is NOT FDR, so he won't be able to whip the party in line, even assuming he would want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    1. Not gonna happen cuz Trump will steal the elections and the Gooper SCOTUS will make it legal.

    2. Even if Biden actually wins and dems take the Senate and somehow Trump actually concedes (he won't), the DNC will never actually back an expansion of the court because they are corporate sell outs. For this to happen the DNC would need to whip every Senator in line which won't happen.

    And Biden is NOT FDR, so he won't be able to whip the party in line, even assuming he would want to.
    I'm having trouble disagreeing with your #2 and conclusion. Specifically, the distinguished gentleman from West Virginia, might be problematic.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    accused does not mean guilty. If i accuse you of being involved of a diamond heist that doesn't automatically make you guilty, does it?

    Bodakane is a diamond thief! Arrest him!

    We should wait for some proof such as video evidence, medical records, etc, rather than he said she said bullshit.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    accused does not mean guilty. If i accuse you of being involved of a diamond heist that doesn't automatically make you guilty, does it?

    Bodakane is a diamond thief! Arrest him!

    We should wait for some proof such as video evidence, medical records, etc, rather than he said she said bullshit.
    If he is not a board certified OB-GYN, why was he doing pelvic exams and doing surgeries on their reproductive organs?

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    accused does not mean guilty. If i accuse you of being involved of a diamond heist that doesn't automatically make you guilty, does it?

    Bodakane is a diamond thief! Arrest him!

    We should wait for some proof such as video evidence, medical records, etc, rather than he said she said bullshit.
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  13. #253
    Oh look, those concentration camps that all the Trumplings claimed weren't concentration camps are now committing crimes against humanity. Can't wait to find out what other awful things the Trump admin has been hiding from us.

    Can we impeach him now or is there a certain number of crimes we need to reach before it's acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    Oh look, those concentration camps that all the Trumplings claimed weren't concentration camps are now committing crimes against humanity. Can't wait to find out what other awful things the Trump admin has been hiding from us.

    Can we impeach him now or is there a certain number of crimes we need to reach before it's acceptable?
    Well once he's spayed all the brown people in the country, in a generation or two we won't have a problem now will we? /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    Oh look, those concentration camps that all the Trumplings claimed weren't concentration camps are now committing crimes against humanity. Can't wait to find out what other awful things the Trump admin has been hiding from us.

    Can we impeach him now or is there a certain number of crimes we need to reach before it's acceptable?
    Yeah, Trump should have been impeached for each of his crimes, because it would have changed nothing. Impeachment is one of those things we lost, because of Trump presidency. His rhetoric made the entire process, counter productive and likely invalidated it for a while.

    When was the last time you heard Biden mention impeachment? After what they did to Clinton and then acted that Trump’s derp squad was the same, pretty much ruined it. At this point, Trump’s goons going to Ukraine to gain favor and perceived secrets from a Russian oligarch puppet, is just like Trump’s goons blowing him in the Oval Office.
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  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Well once he's spayed all the brown people in the country, in a generation or two we won't have a problem now will we? /s
    The old poem about Jews is appropriate here from World War 2.

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me
    - Martin Niemöller

    announced doesn't care until they come for him.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yeah, Trump should have been impeached for each of his crimes, because it would have changed nothing. Impeachment is one of those things we lost, because of Trump presidency. His rhetoric made the entire process, counter productive and likely invalidated it for a while.

    When was the last time you heard Biden mention impeachment? After what they did to Clinton and then acted that Trump’s derp squad was the same, pretty much ruined it. At this point, Trump’s goons going to Ukraine to gain favor and perceived secrets from a Russian oligarch puppet, is just like Trump’s goons blowing him in the Oval Office.
    I meant how many crimes are needed before Republicans agree to impeach.

    But then, they let Bush get away with war crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    I meant how many crimes are needed before Republicans agree to impeach.

    But then, they let Bush get away with war crimes.
    How many?

    Probably something like... oh I don't know.. e^x with x growing by 1 every second of every day per day. About that many.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Rung View Post
    You would trust medical records to be accurate when they're already willing to act unethical?
    Medical records are harder to fake, same with video evidence. I thought that reasoning would be obvious to most.

    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    If he is not a board certified OB-GYN, why was he doing pelvic exams and doing surgeries on their reproductive organs?
    I'm not a doctor, but isn't it true you don't need to be board certified to perform a pelvic exam or any of those surgeries? Based on search results it seems like a specialized surgeon is recommended, but not required.



    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    The old poem about Jews is appropriate here from World War 2.


    - Martin Niemöller

    announced doesn't care until they come for him.
    Aren't democrats the ones that love abortion and getting rid of black and brown babies? Isn't that why they purposefully setup clinics in poor neighborhoods? I think you have the wrong side on that poem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    Aren't democrats the ones that love abortion and getting rid of black and brown babies? Isn't that why they purposefully setup clinics in poor neighborhoods? I think you have the wrong side on that poem.
    This is your shitty argument? This is the same as abortion? Forced sterilization is the same as a choice to have an abortion? Do you want to think about this again? I know you are a Trump supporter, but this has to be one of the most racist things I have seen on this forum so far.

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