Genocide On The Border

[Bodakane]

And Iguess you have not much respect for history as you like to rewrite it.

I mean.....

Nazism: form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed.

....could describe Trump's political ideology to a tee.

[announced]

Is one person 17 now????

Why do you feel compelled to excuse genocidal actions?

again, whether its 1 person or 17 he should still be investigated so we can determine if these claims are legitimate.

[Bodakane]

again, whether its 1 person or 17 he should still be investigated so we can determine if these claims are legitimate.

What evidence will you accept?

[Themius]

again, whether its 1 person or 17 he should still be investigated so we can determine if these claims are legitimate.

You claimed everything was wrong with one woman had a cyst.

If you go to get your ears checked and have an infection that requires drops, but they take your entire ear you're telling me if it were reported on we should be like

"AHA but he had an inner ear infection! Chopping off his ear made total sense! In fact it seems common at least 17 other people have their ears chopped off too"

I've seen your posts in the past, just admit you don't give a fuck and support what's happening here and find your way out of this thread.

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What evidence will you accept?

None.

He'll shift from "we must find evidence!"

To:

"Genocidal sterilisation isn't all that bad you know"

[Felya]

If you go to get your ears checked and have an infection that requires drops, but they take your entire ear you're telling me if it were reported on we should be like

In US, you actually can’t easily get a hysterectomy very easily, until a specific age. You need to go through a tremendous amount of hoops, I believe including a mental health evaluation, to then have to spends thousands of dollars on the procedure. This is not a procedure that a doctor has a right to perform, without explicit and overwhelming consent.

Edit: I understand what you are trying to say, but this isn’t cutting off your ear. It’s scooping out your whole ear canal. (Edit 2) Both of them...

[XDurionX]

Really scary how gullible and brainwashed the right wing has become these days.

[silveth]

"The nazi were left! They had the word socialist in their name!"

When it comes to critical thinking of issues and diving into history and actions the right wing don't seem to give two fucks about any of that.

You should also be aware that Mao was considered a centrist at best and anyone who opposed him was labeled left wing and ultra left but keep go on and fucking that chicken. and left and ultra left in this case didn't even mean left wing as we know it But hey why am I even saying this, it's a waste of time on a person like you.

the claim of Stalin being left was because of the entire saying all people are equal but you know... WATCH WHAT THEY DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY

Something the right seems entirely incapable of comprehending. They just sit in a fucking corner singing "tell me lies tell me sweet little lies" all fucking day.

Didn't Stalin take down the land owners and "nobles" to make them equal to the workers? Wasn't that the whole point of communism?

I don't agree that them being a fascsist means they were "right wing" as defined. If you are a fascist and take over to implement socialist ideals you are a left wing dictator. Being an authoritarian does not impact the policies you push with your "rule".

Authoritarian vs libertarian is a difference of governing style. It does tie into some normal views held by the types of people that believe in each type. Liberal/progressive vs conservative policies can be held and pushed by people and governments on either side.

That is why today you have left authoritarians, right authoritarians, left libertarians, right libertarians.

[eschatological]

I cannot comment publicly on the cases in particular, but let's just say this very generally:

ICE should be fired into the goddamn sun. I've been running on rage for a week now, and I don't care if I have to rip that agency down brick by brick with my bare hands. Any agency which is staffed by police department rejects was bound to end up like this, and we've been saying that for A LITERAL DECADE.

[Logwyn]

Why do right wingers do this with literally everything?

Why do you assume that anyone that disagrees with your or points out the flaws in your arguments is a "right-winger".

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Yes. They were facist. Whatever they sold to the people to get into power doesn't define their ideology, it was just a sales pitch.

A "communist" facist is essentially no different than a "capitalist" facist, in the end. It is like actually arguing the difference between left Twix and right Twix.

This was my point at the beginning of all this right/wing left wing argument. Does not really matter where they fall on the supposed spectrum of things. Genocide is a human issue and violation of human right regardless of who does it.

[Themius]

Didn't Stalin take down the land owners and "nobles" to make them equal to the workers? Wasn't that the whole point of communism?

I don't agree that them being a fascsist means they were "right wing" as defined. If you are a fascist and take over to implement socialist ideals you are a left wing dictator. Being an authoritarian does not impact the policies you push with your "rule".

Authoritarian vs libertarian is a difference of governing style. It does tie into some normal views held by the types of people that believe in each type. Liberal/progressive vs conservative policies can be held and pushed by people and governments on either side.

That is why today you have left authoritarians, right authoritarians, left libertarians, right libertarians.

do you think communism is left??? Like truly you people don't seem to understand shit about politics.

"I don't agree that fascism is right" it just so happens just about every single policy they have is right wing but you don't want to call them what they are?

Left authoritarians? Where and how and what are they doing?

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Why do you assume that anyone that disagrees with your or points out the flaws in your arguments is a "right-winger".

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This was my point at the beginning of all this right/wing left wing argument. Does not really matter where they fall on the supposed spectrum of things. Genocide is a human issue and violation of human right regardless of who does it.

"Why do you assume people who call far-right things left are rightwing"

because they're literally the only ones?

[Bodakane]

I cannot comment publicly on the cases in particular, but let's just say this very generally:

ICE should be fired into the goddamn sun. I've been running on rage for a week now, and I don't care if I have to rip that agency down brick by brick with my bare hands. Any agency which is staffed by police department rejects was bound to end up like this, and we've been saying that for A LITERAL DECADE.

Besides the election, how can we help?

[eschatological]

Besides the election, how can we help?

There's all sorts of NGOs that deal with this sort of thing, especially along the border, but I mainly work with the ACLU. Human Rights First is pretty good as well.

Immigration law is kind of stacked against immigrants in this country though. Even though law is on our side (asylum seeking is a right guaranteed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which we are a party to, as well as ICCPR and the '67 protocol on refugees), and the law of the Constitution supposedly applies to anyone legally within our borders (which asylum seekers are), the courts that review this are not part of the Judicial branch of government.

In fact, the EOIR (Executive Office of Immigration Review) is, as you might be able to tell from its title, is entirely under the Executive branch, and EOIR/BIA (Board of Immigration Appeals) goes as the Executive goes. It is, like DAs who kowtow to police forces that they work closely with, a rubber stamp for most ICE/Homeland actions. Technically, you can appeal from the BIA to the Circuit Court of Appeals, but almost none of those cases were ever deemed serious enough to be heard en banc, and usually were highly deferential to the BIA rulings, as long as you toed a certain line. IE, until the Trump administration started flouting it, none of these cases went anywhere.

One of the things EOIR/BIA loves to do is differentiate on one of the "loopholes" of asylum status. To have a successful claim for asylum, you have to show that the persecution you face is "inescapable" if you were to stay in your own country. In the U.S., we've decided that means the persecution has to come from your government - which is why Cubans get asylum very easily. But if you're from El Salvador, and MS-13 has killed your family and runs your town, the U.S. will very much deny your asylum based on the fact that "the police can protect you, the government can protect you" from MS-13, even if those institutions are wholly corrupted by gangs. The same goes for the cartels in South America. Because they hold no official government power, the U.S. denies asylum to the people persecuted by the cartels, even these organization, in practical fact, do control their local governance.

It's a frustrating field to work in, to say the least.

As for what this article is about - this is a gross violation of human rights, and should be referred to appropriate authorities as a crime against humanity.

[Acidbaron]

Considering the rhetoric from the GOP has been a constant attempt in dehumanizing these people what yes is a method the nazies also used to make it more acceptable for people harm these people.

The sad part these American conservatives do not know simply because their level of education or their knowledge of history is fairly selective, is that Nazi Germany was not a good place to life that is excluding the war. Those advocates for personal freedoms that wish to only restrict them to "true americans" only are the same people who will remove them from all Americans in the end.

These so called conservatives would be wise to read up of how dire the times were for Germans in Nazi Germany. You might want to look up plans like lebensborn, although some of you social rejects and thus incels might like the idea as it increases your abysmal chances of getting laid without paying for it marginally, but not really.

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do you think communism is left??? Like truly you people don't seem to understand shit about politics.

"I don't agree that fascism is right" it just so happens just about every single policy they have is right wing but you don't want to call them what they are?

Left authoritarians? Where and how and what are they doing?

Best to not argue with people about communism who don't even know who figures like Trotsky were.

[Bodakane]

There's all sorts of NGOs that deal with this sort of thing, especially along the border, but I mainly work with the ACLU. Human Rights First is pretty good as well.

Immigration law is kind of stacked against immigrants in this country though. Even though law is on our side (asylum seeking is a right guaranteed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which we are a party to, as well as ICCPR and the '67 protocol on refugees), and the law of the Constitution supposedly applies to anyone legally within our borders (which asylum seekers are), the courts that review this are not part of the Judicial branch of government.

In fact, the EOIR (Executive Office of Immigration Review) is, as you might be able to tell from its title, is entirely under the Executive branch, and EOIR/BIA (Board of Immigration Appeals) goes as the Executive goes. It is, like DAs who kowtow to police forces that they work closely with, a rubber stamp for most ICE/Homeland actions. Technically, you can appeal from the BIA to the Circuit Court of Appeals, but almost none of those cases were ever deemed serious enough to be heard en banc, and usually were highly deferential to the BIA rulings, as long as you toed a certain line. IE, until the Trump administration started flouting it, none of these cases went anywhere.

One of the things EOIR/BIA loves to do is differentiate on one of the "loopholes" of asylum status. To have a successful claim for asylum, you have to show that the persecution you face is "inescapable" if you were to stay in your own country. In the U.S., we've decided that means the persecution has to come from your government - which is why Cubans get asylum very easily. But if you're from El Salvador, and MS-13 has killed your family and runs your town, the U.S. will very much deny your asylum based on the fact that "the police can protect you, the government can protect you" from MS-13, even if those institutions are wholly corrupted by gangs. The same goes for the cartels in South America. Because they hold no official government power, the U.S. denies asylum to the people persecuted by the cartels, even these organization, in practical fact, do control their local governance.

It's a frustrating field to work in, to say the least.

As for what this article is about - this is a gross violation of human rights, and should be referred to appropriate authorities as a crime against humanity.

Well, thank you for what you do. I already donate to the ACLU.

[postman1782]

I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.



There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.

Yes, she was supposed to have 1 ovary removed, the doctor removed the wrong one, and had to go back in and remove the other, which made her sterile now.

[Bodakane]

I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.



There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.

Defend this shit now......
https://www.yahoo.com/news/physician...162847954.html

The physician accused of performing unwanted hysterectomies in an ICE detention center is not a board certified OB-GYN

In the complaint, Dawn Wooten, a licensed practical nurse who was previously employed by the center and is represented by Project South and Government Accountability Project, reported witnessing a large number of hysterectomies performed on immigrant women detained in the facility.’

"Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody," Wooten said of one doctor who she described as "the uterus collector." Three lawyers cited by NBC News later identified the physician as Dr. Mahendra Amin.

[cubby]

And here we go:

Senate Democrats are open to pushing for additional Supreme Court seats if they take majority.

If Biden wins and the Senate flips, SCOTUS will be 11 or 13 seats.

Fucking WOW.

[Mihalik]

Nazi Germany didn't start with gas chambers. I've been saying this for years.

But Goopers, Trumpkins and "classical liberals" will defend and excuse and downplay this all the way to the crematoriums.

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And here we go:

Senate Democrats are open to pushing for additional Supreme Court seats if they take majority.

If Biden wins and the Senate flips, SCOTUS will be 11 or 13 seats.

Fucking WOW.

1. Not gonna happen cuz Trump will steal the elections and the Gooper SCOTUS will make it legal.

2. Even if Biden actually wins and dems take the Senate and somehow Trump actually concedes (he won't), the DNC will never actually back an expansion of the court because they are corporate sell outs. For this to happen the DNC would need to whip every Senator in line which won't happen.

And Biden is NOT FDR, so he won't be able to whip the party in line, even assuming he would want to.

[cubby]

1. Not gonna happen cuz Trump will steal the elections and the Gooper SCOTUS will make it legal.

2. Even if Biden actually wins and dems take the Senate and somehow Trump actually concedes (he won't), the DNC will never actually back an expansion of the court because they are corporate sell outs. For this to happen the DNC would need to whip every Senator in line which won't happen.

And Biden is NOT FDR, so he won't be able to whip the party in line, even assuming he would want to.

I'm having trouble disagreeing with your #2 and conclusion. Specifically, the distinguished gentleman from West Virginia, might be problematic.

[announced]

Defend this shit now......
https://www.yahoo.com/news/physician...162847954.html

accused does not mean guilty. If i accuse you of being involved of a diamond heist that doesn't automatically make you guilty, does it?

Bodakane is a diamond thief! Arrest him!

We should wait for some proof such as video evidence, medical records, etc, rather than he said she said bullshit.