The Progressive Activist Begging the Left to Stop Owning Itself

[downnola]

Democrats are center-left? Wtf are u on??

European right-wing parties are for healthcare for all n environmental issues, that doesn't mean they are left-wing nor green parties.

As for immigration, biden want cheap labor for the industrialists that want to destroy the middle class, how the fuck is that left-wing?! That is corporate version of feudalism, wishing to make everyone poorer so the billionars get more money to feed their narcissism.

Here we go with nationalist garbage dressed up as socialism. Boy do I love being lectured on who is left-wing or not by someone who uses Steve Bannon talking points.

[Ihavewaffles]

Here we go with nationalist garbage dressed up as socialism. Boy do I love being lectured on who is left-wing or not by someone who uses Steve Bannon talking points.

Who the f is sveve bannon, like LOL like me a european taking talking points from some american on politics BWAAHAAHAHAHAHAA

[downnola]

Who the f is sveve bannon, like LOL like me a european taking talking points from some american on politics BWAAHAAHAHAHAHAA

It doesn't matter if you know him, but the fact that you sound just like him demonstrates how full of shit you are.
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[Ihavewaffles]

It doesn't matter if you know him, but the fact that you sound just like him demonstrates how full of shit you are.

Dude, the fact that you think Europeans are anything like the circus politics in your country is just so much lol..

[Kaleredar]

Where the democrats rank on some global political scale is extremely irrelevant in this election.

The simple fact of the matter is that it either the democrats or the republicans who will win the presidency, and if you are a progressive you should have a vested interest in ensuring the more progressive of the two parties is the winner... and that party is the democrats.

Moreover, fighting for progress within the Democratic Party and US policy at large really only works when the democrats hold any significant power at all, because if they do not... the republicans hold it. And the republican aims aren’t just apathetic to progressive causes, or incidentally harmful to progressive causes... they are, in many ways, intentionally spiteful.

This notion of “Well we get to reset the political climate every four years so we can really just wait to reset it more liberal next time” is utter horseshit.

Furthermore, and why I really couldn’t give two shits as to whether “Biden is sticking it to the billionaires enough” in his policy or not is the simple fact of the matter that four more years of trump and the legislation he’ll be able to pass and positions within the US governance he’ll be able to fill may do harm to progressive causes so severe that it could effectively take decades to even get back on a sound footing to even begin to try and enact change.

Dude, the fact that you think Europeans are anything like the circus politics in your country is just so much lol..

How’s brexit going?

[downnola]

Dude, the fact that you think Europeans are anything like the circus politics in your country is just so much lol..

Yeah, I forgot Europe has no traces of nationalism in it's politics. I could have sworn we were dragged into two world wars over it though..

[Ihavewaffles]

Yeah, I forgot Europe has no traces of nationalism in it's politics. I could have sworn we were dragged into two world wars over it though..

You should have stayed out, stay on your own continent. And European politics are way more developed than the primitive shitshow you have..you are basically 3rd world level.
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[downnola]

You should have stayed out, stay on your own continent. And European politics are way more developed than the primitive shitshow you have..you are basically 3rd world level.

If you're any example of the sorts of people that engage in politics in Europe, I'd say belligerent nationalists are just as much of a nuisance there as the ones over here.

I find it amusing that you keep side stepping your nationalist view of immigrants "hurting the middle class." I believe I saw the word chauvinism used in this thread and boy is it accurate.

[Mihalik]

sip

While I agree with the notion that the left ought to embrace a wider range of political alliances on principle, you calling yourself a "leftist" by any measure of the word... Is frankly dumb.

You are and as long as you have been posting under this name have always been center right. Social liberal, superficially progressive.

You never engaged or really gave much of a fuck about left wing positions on economics and have solidly and almost exclusively always supported Democrats who are all about the aesthetics of progressivism but are thoroughly center right on economics and labor rights.

I do believe you are a liberal and progressive on some social issues and that's fine, but you don't need to be a tankie to have to cringe whenever you call yourself a leftie.

[Felya]

That's because the democratic party has been so willing to be divisive and not build coalitions. I think if the United States democratic party had focused on a lot of the policies that European progressive parties focus on - healthcare, worker rights, low cost college education - it would be a lot more popular and have gotten a lot more done, but it's so mired in identity politics that it basically neuters itself. That's exactly why this guy is arguing for a more inclusive party that moves away from the divisive identity politics issues.

This is the most backwards thing I have read in a bit... divisive diversity? Are you sure?

[Themius]

That's because the democratic party has been so willing to be divisive and not build coalitions. I think if the United States democratic party had focused on a lot of the policies that European progressive parties focus on - healthcare, worker rights, low cost college education - it would be a lot more popular and have gotten a lot more done, but it's so mired in identity politics that it basically neuters itself. That's exactly why this guy is arguing for a more inclusive party that moves away from the divisive identity politics issues.

More than half of the lawmakers want genocide... no healthcare worker rights... no low cost education...

[Ivanstone]

That's because the democratic party has been so willing to be divisive and not build coalitions. I think if the United States democratic party had focused on a lot of the policies that European progressive parties focus on - healthcare, worker rights, low cost college education - it would be a lot more popular and have gotten a lot more done, but it's so mired in identity politics that it basically neuters itself. That's exactly why this guy is arguing for a more inclusive party that moves away from the divisive identity politics issues.

The Democratic party is the coalition of people who are progressive on economic issues and progressive on social issues.

What you're asking for are old school Dixiecrats who might be progressive on some economic issues but are racist as fuck.

[Felya]

The Democratic party is the coalition of people who are progressive on economic issues and progressive on social issues.

What you're asking for are old school Dixiecrats who might be progressive on some economic issues but are racist as fuck.

No, he is talking about a strawman built by “classic liberals”, who unironically are just libertarians that oppose all of those things on the basis of freedom.

PragerU running ads how people who don’t need a college education, like the guy who created dailymail, shouldn’t have to pay for college of others. Calling it something that liberals give away, costing more than a Lamborghini. PragerU is not liberal and they are paying to run those ads... It’s not liberals who are claiming your education is not worth it, because they want another Lamborghini.

[Ripster42]

That's because the democratic party has been so willing to be divisive and not build coalitions. I think if the United States democratic party had focused on a lot of the policies that European progressive parties focus on - healthcare, worker rights, low cost college education - it would be a lot more popular and have gotten a lot more done, but it's so mired in identity politics that it basically neuters itself. That's exactly why this guy is arguing for a more inclusive party that moves away from the divisive identity politics issues.

Yes, it's the democrats that are mired in identity politics. I've never heard of the war on christmas, mexico not sending their best people, or suburban moms worried about the poor moving into the neighborhood.

[eschatological]

I don't think this is the week to advocate to drop messaging about abolishing ICE.

As a human rights lawyer focusing in asylum and refugee law, this past week has been a fucking nightmare. I've been raging all week, and I'm pretty firmly entrenched in the idea that ICE should be shot into the sun. To be fair, I've thought that for a decade, but now I want this entire agency imprisoned and rotting in orange jumpsuits.

[Sunseeker]

I don't think this is the week to advocate to drop messaging about abolishing ICE.

As a human rights lawyer focusing in asylum and refugee law, this past week has been a fucking nightmare. I've been raging all week, and I'm pretty firmly entrenched in the idea that ICE should be shot into the sun. To be fair, I've thought that for a decade, but now I want this entire agency imprisoned and rotting in orange jumpsuits.

Yeah, after what's come out there should be no reason to defend the agency in any manner.

[Themius]

If life's so bad for them. Why aren't they requesting "asylum" in mexico? Why does it have to be the U.S where they request "asylum".

Got any more of that nothing you so love to contribute?

[JohnBrown1917]

If life's so bad for them. Why aren't they requesting "asylum" in mexico? Why does it have to be the U.S where they request "asylum".

Perfect idea, let them flee the gangs in middle america to another country in middle america where those gangs hold power.

[Milchshake]

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