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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This, entirely. If Biden wins and the Senate flips, the Democrats will have two years of legislative freedom - they need to run the gammit.

    SCOTUS stack to 11 or 13
    D.C. and Puerto Rico statehood
    M4A (however that will look)
    Repeal the GOP Tax Bonus for the Rich
    (more than this of course)

    Losing RBG was horrible, objectively. Allowing the GOP to replace her (and I think they will) is the worst sort of irony.
    Absolutely none of this will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This, entirely. If Biden wins and the Senate flips, the Democrats will have two years of legislative freedom - they need to run the gammit.

    SCOTUS stack to 11 or 13
    D.C. and Puerto Rico statehood
    M4A (however that will look)
    Repeal the GOP Tax Bonus for the Rich
    (more than this of course)

    Losing RBG was horrible, objectively. Allowing the GOP to replace her (and I think they will) is the worst sort of irony.
    Personally, I would like to see Trump in handcuffs along with Pence, his entire administration to follow and a thorough investigation into every bit of maleficence and corrupt action taken by Trump and everyone who took a bribe.

    What Trump has done has reach way beyond him, and for this country to have any credibility going forward I think this is a must.
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    One of the only human moments I've seen from Trump, in regards to RBG's death:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-tru...021634002.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Apparently both Romney and Murkowski have committed to NOT confirming a new Justice until after the inauguration.

    All eyes on Collins.
    Am I counting right that we need four GOP Senators to hold off? Or else Pence can cast the tie-breaking vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Hmm that's interesting. Collins is trailing in her relection bid but if she does the same then she might be able to hold her seat. She needs a hail mary right pass now and I can't think of any other one that might come along between now and Nov.

    But I still think they'll ram through another justice and Biden will need to expand the SCOTUS.
    We also have to consider that if the Senators don't vote prior to the election, they can still fill the seat during the lame duck session. IIRC, nothing actually prevents that from happening.

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    It will be so damn interesting to see upcoming senate race polls. Never underestimate McConnell, but this is not necessarily a disaster for democrats. The GOP is certainly sweating right now.

    And even if Trump/McConnell get someone in, it will give plenty of ground to democrats to expand the court, which might even lead to the depoliticization of it. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    One of the only human moments I've seen from Trump, in regards to RBG's death:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-tru...021634002.html

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    Am I counting right that we need four GOP Senators to hold off? Or else Pence can cast the tie-breaking vote.

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    We also have to consider that if the Senators don't vote prior to the election, they can still fill the seat during the lame duck session. IIRC, nothing actually prevents that from happening.
    Yes, the current majority is 53-47. So you need 4 Republicans to defect to make it 51-49, because of course the tiebreaker is Mike "make all abortion illegal" Pence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    https://twitter.com/Meg_Cunn/status/1307326077178699778

    "ActBlue, the home to Democratic fundraising, confirms they raised $35 million yesterday, with record breaking 9 and 10 p.m. hours."


    Gonna be a big old brawl. We need to occupy the streets outside the Capitol if they try and bring a nominee to the vote.
    Agreed. Some people in here are saying that the RBG replacement right will tamp down the Democrats "enthusiasm" for the election and get the neo-con right fired up. Which is patently false. I agree with you that the Democrats are going to "fightin' mad" about this and it will only galvanize the left more.

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    We just need four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    He won 2016 because of economic issues. Not to mention his support among the black and latino community is growing and thx to BLM he now has the suburbs in his pocket as well.
    He lost in 2016, except for 50,000 votes spread out over three battleground states. Please don't forget that Trump lost the popular election by an almost record margin, for having won the EC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    And after that (and after packing the courts), pass legislation re-instating the 60 vote mandate, state that SC seats cannot be increased further... and do something to ensure that they represent the society they are in.
    I would recommend all you suggest as well, but I'm remembering from somewhere that Congress can't pass a law that requires a supermajority to change or replace. I definitely could be wrong.

    What I really think needs to happen is passing the EC "replacement" - the pact between states to have all their EC votes go to the popular majority winner. I can never remember the fucking name of that thing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    We're 3 weeks from that. 4 at most. I hope the Dems have an October surprise prepared and ready on october 19 or something
    Yeah - if I had to guess, it's indicting Hunter Biden.

    I don't know that the Dems have their version. What could be said about Trump that hasn't already been said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    Absolutely none of this will happen.
    Even if the Biden win and the Senate flips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Personally, I would like to see Trump in handcuffs along with Pence, his entire administration to follow and a thorough investigation into every bit of maleficence and corrupt action taken by Trump and everyone who took a bribe.

    What Trump has done has reach way beyond him, and for this country to have any credibility going forward I think this is a must.
    I have a dark feeling that Trump, if he loses, will still avoid literal handcuffs. I would love to see him in them, of course, in Rikers Island waving his Pence Pardon through the bars.

    What would be interesting and possibly more likely, is Trump watching his children arrested and jailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    One of the only human moments I've seen from Trump, in regards to RBG's death:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-tru...021634002.html
    Yeah, I was surprised too. Looked genuine.

    That said, my inner cynical thinks he didn't even know who she was in that moment so he went with a safe "she led an amazing life".

    About calling democrats "far left"... when your cult leader calls actual Nazis very fine people, everyone looks to be far to your left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    This, entirely. If Biden wins and the Senate flips, the Democrats will have two years of legislative freedom - they need to run the gammit.

    SCOTUS stack to 11 or 13
    D.C. and Puerto Rico statehood
    M4A (however that will look)
    Repeal the GOP Tax Bonus for the Rich
    (more than this of course)

    Losing RBG was horrible, objectively. Allowing the GOP to replace her (and I think they will) is the worst sort of irony.
    They'll do nothing but try to play a moral high ground of cooperation like they fucking did with Obama's first two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    They'll do nothing but try to play a moral high ground of cooperation like they fucking did with Obama's first two years.
    I fear you may be right here. I think Democrats need to stop going for the moral high ground and just metaphorically (because I know we have a few Cultists in here who think every Left leaning person is supportive of violence) punch the Republicans in the face. The Democrats have spent far too long being the victim of what can only be likened to a spousal abuse. They try to be better than the person putting them down but still making excuses for why they're being beaten up or gaslit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Yeah, I was surprised too. Looked genuine.

    That said, my inner cynical thinks he didn't even know who she was in that moment so he went with a safe "she led an amazing life".
    That's definitely possible (Trump not recognizing the name), but regardless, it was one of the very few genuine moments we've seen from him. And I prefer to be intellectually honest when it comes to the GOP, giving kudos where they are deserved, and in this case, he could have fucked that initial reaction up in so many different ways, but didn't.

    Just as a detail note - it was when he initially stepped back at the news, and took a moment. Haven't seen him do anything human in awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    They'll do nothing but try to play a moral high ground of cooperation like they fucking did with Obama's first two years.
    I disagree. I have to. The Democrats cannot afford to play that game again - they will doom themselves and the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    More immediately, given that McConnell will no doubt ram through a nomination before the election, it will mean a friendly SCOTUS giving Trump a much higher chance of successfully challenging the election results should he lose.

    The fact that I can't even take the time to mourn the loss of such a powerful person because of the shitshow that's about to follow is enraging me.
    You do realize that currently it is technically already 5-3 even without her seat refilled. So I am not sure it would make any difference for your challenge statement.

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    I did not always agree with Ginsberg's ruling or ideas, but she was a strong, idealistic, amazing person who rose to the top of her profession.

    So as much as I had problems with a lot of her opinions, she had amazing life that everyone should at least respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silveth View Post
    You do realize that currently it is technically already 5-3 even without her seat refilled. So I am not sure it would make any difference for your challenge statement.
    I disagree. When it comes to Trump, Roberts was NOT a fan, and so in that arena of law, I believe the court was sitting at least 5-4. Keep in mind that the court ruled 7-2 against Trump in the tax records case.

    When it comes to the election shenanigans we're sure to see, I don't think it's possible to predict where the court will fall.

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    Roberts is tricky for sure. He definitely believes in the power of the Executive branch, but in a facially neutral case like election law, he might side with, yanno, whichever side justice is on.

    He's more concerned with his legacy more than anything else, so he's a selfish asshole nonetheless.

    What's more concerning is that the next Justice off the board is another liberal, and only then might Thomas decide he can safely retire if there's a 7-2 majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I disagree. When it comes to Trump, Roberts was NOT a fan, and so in that arena of law, I believe the court was sitting at least 5-4. Keep in mind that the court ruled 7-2 against Trump in the tax records case.

    When it comes to the election shenanigans we're sure to see, I don't think it's possible to predict where the court will fall.
    The case the surprised me was this one:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1618_hfci.pdf

    Some of the conservatives on the Court aren't overstepping their bounds, but I fear that there could be pressure put on them by certain groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    One of the only human moments I've seen from Trump, in regards to RBG's death:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-tru...021634002.html
    The bar is just so low for reasonable behavior from him that not launching into a baseless tirade is seen as a total win. I wouldn't consider 3 sentences amounting to 'aww shucks' to be a glimmer of humanity from this mentally ill gibbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I disagree. I have to. The Democrats cannot afford to play that game again - they will doom themselves and the nation.
    To be honest I think they've learnt their lesson from that disaster.

    The democrats took the high ground and then the republicans ripped up every rule and norm they came across, and the democrats were big giant losers because of it.

    So I don't think they'll be repeating that mistake.

    Though I don't know how far they will go, at bare minimum I fully expect the democrats to rip up the fillibuster.

    Hopefully though they will go much further than that and grant DC statehood, allow puerto rico to have referendum on it, as well as appoint 2 new SCOTUS judges.

    The ever shrinking minority party should not nor ever have the lions share of political power.
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    The one thing the democrats cannot do is shift the focus of the election to this.

    They need to remain focused on the economy and the virus. I fear this is going to take up too much of their messaging moving forward, which will not end well for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Even if the Biden win and the Senate flips?
    You mean like Obama's first 2 years?

    These are the Democrats we're talking about here. They're better by far than the Republicans, but they're still basically a center-right ideological group. They may favor worker rights more and business rights less, but the Democrats have been in charge multiple times since the tax rate was where it should be. Did we see taxes go up on businesses or the wealthy? Nope. Puerto Rico still hasn't voted in favor of statehood. And lets not forget Guam guys. Noone has adjusted the number of SCOTUS members in over a 150 years, and if the party of "bad governance" won't do it, the Democrats sure won't.

    Hell, I would honestly be surprised if the Post Office is fixed.

    I don't expect the Democrats to actually do much this cycle other than not be deplorable.
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