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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    Linux sucks for gaming and it's not the users fault. Did you forget what you were talking about or did you finally figure out how ridiculous your previous posts were?
    Cut the horseshit, there are multiple games running better on linux. Specially when comparing Vlk to Win DX12.
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    I can't believe you idiots banned my main forum account because I was only showing you proof of your trolling. I will keep posting here and I will not stop this war. Just stop disrupting roleplay. You have done enough damage already.

  2. #222
    Alot of people are seeing this in simple terms like Microsoft purely did this to move more consoles and compete with Sony.

    MS is looking ahead 10-20 years, they can afford to do that with their bank balance.

    You can't really call what is going on these days a console war.

    They are even working together, Sony is using Azure, the only people who still see this as a war are fanbois on the internet.
    Last edited by DeiVias; 2020-09-23 at 07:45 AM.

  3. #223
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    I kinda knew it that something like this will happen, when they started pushing lootboxes in Eso in your face pretty much. They wanted to get as much money as possible to make investors interested into the companys there.

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Well, it's a B2P MMO so it's a very different beast.

    Optional sub also gives $15 a month in cash shop currency, so if you're subbing you're able to buy the DLC's to own outright even after your sub ends plus have extra currency to spend on other stuff. Lockboxes aside (they always suck), it's a pretty legit model. Especially for a game that sees pretty sizable updates on a quarterly cadence.
    Once you go sub its pretty hard to go back to "free" in eso the crafting bag and shit is just too good to pass up.

    100+$ dollar homes are reasonable?? Bound crown only housing items is reasonable? As far as I am aware the steam top sales and shit only count the cash spent on a game in steam and not other platforms/launchers. ESO was able to reach platinum sales in 2019 and yet were only able to get in the over 25k concurrent players categoryhttps://store.steampowered.com/sale/2019_most_played/
    https://store.steampowered.com/sale/2019_most_played/. Maybe its possible that steam players spend more per player than reg pc, xbox and playstation do but as someone whose main account is on Xbox and see just as many people with crown crate and crown store stuff (myself included) I'd say they probably spend around the same amount.

    And yes while lockboxes always suck many games have removed some of the scaminess of them by doing things like letting you sell the rewards in them to other players or to have currencies that let you buy all the stuff in the box. ESO lets you destroy rewards for currency but then doesn't even let you use it on the greatest rewards.

    Don't get me wrong I do like ESO and if they ever increase the housing cap I'll eventually get around to finishing building my city on my Coldharbour plot on xbox and Castle in Coldharbour on steam among other mostly finished homes but the money people can and dumbasses like me do is anywhere but reasonable and the only way it could possibly get worse from Microsoft is if they added season passes.
    Last edited by qwerty123456; 2020-09-23 at 05:51 PM.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    It's still "exclusive". If you want HBO and Netflix...you have to pay for them both separately. And exclusives have been very much a thing since the beginning of "the console wars". If you wanted to play a mario game...you needed a Nintendo. If you wanted to play Sonic games...you needed a Sega. Now if you want to play Gears of War you need an Xbox and if you want to play God of War you need a Playstation.
    It's totally different, if you want to watch a HBO program you have to pay for something from HBO - this is the same as wanting to play a Bethesda game and having to pay for something from Bethesda.

    To be a proper analogy for console exclusivity you would have to pay HBO for their service and also buy a special HBO TV for several hundred pounds. Imagine if HBO was only available on Samsung TVs so you couldn't go with Sony, but then the Samsung TVs wouldn't play Spider Man movies. This is what people don't like about console exclusivity, not the fact you have to buy something from the publisher but having to pay hundreds of pounds for hardware.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpha View Post
    That is horseshit. You can handpick people who have problems with crashes and it's mostly AMD cards, low fps, maybe some obscure game that someone is trying to run in Wine. God forbid you run a game 19th 100 fps instead of 110. Playing hassle free? How do BSOD and Windows update self restarts and Windows deleting you files treating you? What's that? Hyperbole? Yah it goes both ways.
    Users don't have resposibility on what? Making an effort? No you don't have to, nobody is saying you have to.
    I think you should look back and read your own words... I'm all for competition but Linux and gaming is not really a thing... I heard this "oh but Linux is going to take over" for ... 2 decades? now.. it never changes, it never happens. Go on the Steam forum and check all those begging threads in almost every game board. "Will you release this for linux? pretty please sir", followed by 100 like minded people posting +1 and how the 100 people interested will make it all worth the effort for the publisher.

    Everyone is free to use whatever OS you want but do not complain that most of the games do not get released for your platform, run worse or you have to deal with some Windows emulation software to assure yourself you get the "better experience". Just go back to compiling a bouncing pinguin screensaver for 2 hours, pray you don't get errors along the way and leave the rest of us, who use a proven OS for gaming in peace.

  7. #227
    I feel sorry for Linux users.

    I was forced to install (dual boot) Windows 10 to play a few Windows Game Pass game.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    It's totally different, if you want to watch a HBO program you have to pay for something from HBO - this is the same as wanting to play a Bethesda game and having to pay for something from Bethesda.

    To be a proper analogy for console exclusivity you would have to pay HBO for their service and also buy a special HBO TV for several hundred pounds. Imagine if HBO was only available on Samsung TVs so you couldn't go with Sony, but then the Samsung TVs wouldn't play Spider Man movies. This is what people don't like about console exclusivity, not the fact you have to buy something from the publisher but having to pay hundreds of pounds for hardware.
    But again... it's not a new idea for consoles. Way back in the Nintendo/Sega Master System days there was the same thing. There were some games that were on both platforms... but so many more that were exclusive to one brand or the other. If anything, I would say that exclusives are less of a thing now than they were back then.

    You're right about the HBO/Netflix analogy though....you don't have to buy a specific device to use those services. Soo that does make a difference

    I suppose it's closer to the divide between Cable and Satelite TV....where certain channels or networks will be available on one service...but not on another.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Sony has to have quality exclusives to pull you away from Microsoft and vice versa...otherwise the exclusiveness is meaningless. It doesn't matter how many games are exclusive to Microsoft if you aren't interested in playing them.

    No, Ford and Samsung don't have to use another platform to sell their products...but, like Microsoft and Sony, they do provide a platform that other companies have to use to sell their products.
    I mean, they have Final Fantasy for example. Which was always my personal reason for rather buying a Playstation. With most Microsoft exclusive games being either on XBOX or PC, I feel like Sony still has the advantage here. I can play a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls on my PC and with those franchises, its even more adventagous to do so because of the modding community. I have to wait a shit long time to play a new Final Fantasy on PC and then probably won't be able to do it because of their insane requirements.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiza View Post
    I mean, they have Final Fantasy for example. Which was always my personal reason for rather buying a Playstation. With most Microsoft exclusive games being either on XBOX or PC, I feel like Sony still has the advantage here. I can play a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls on my PC and with those franchises, its even more adventagous to do so because of the modding community. I have to wait a shit long time to play a new Final Fantasy on PC and then probably won't be able to do it because of their insane requirements.
    Final Fantasy is coming to PC as well.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Final Fantasy is coming to PC as well.
    Yeah, I know. But it starts as a Playstation exclusive traditionally and is only ported to PC later on.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiza View Post
    I mean, they have Final Fantasy for example. Which was always my personal reason for rather buying a Playstation. With most Microsoft exclusive games being either on XBOX or PC, I feel like Sony still has the advantage here. I can play a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls on my PC and with those franchises, its even more adventagous to do so because of the modding community. I have to wait a shit long time to play a new Final Fantasy on PC and then probably won't be able to do it because of their insane requirements.
    FFXV was released on both PS4 and Xbox One on the same day....so that's not a great example.

    With the first Final Fantasy games (The ones that were released outside of Japan)... you never had the option at all. It was play them on Nintendo...or don't play them at all.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    FFXV was released on both PS4 and Xbox One on the same day....so that's not a great example.

    With the first Final Fantasy games (The ones that were released outside of Japan)... you never had the option at all. It was play them on Nintendo...or don't play them at all.
    Then there's the VII remake that's only on the PS4. Xbox and PC get there share of Final Fantasy but PlayStation is the system to guarantee you play that IP.
    The wise wolf who's pride is her wisdom isn't so sharp as drunk.

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Then there's the VII remake that's only on the PS4. Xbox and PC get there share of Final Fantasy but PlayStation is the system to guarantee you play that IP.
    And, as I've already said, that's nothing new for Final Fantasy games. So why is it a problem now?

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by kail View Post
    Then there's the VII remake that's only on the PS4. Xbox and PC get there share of Final Fantasy but PlayStation is the system to guarantee you play that IP.
    its a timed exclusive its not exclusive.

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