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  1. #1041
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Anyone can copy/paste images and claim they work on that.

    Anyone can claim anything on the internet. That is why I don't take any claim with anything more than a pinch of salt,especially with people claiming they just happen to be game developers in a WoW thread.
    Yet those images exist no-where on the internet except right here in this thread.

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    Some people's predictions were wrong, no biggie. We all should though want a good experience with the expansion, and I'm glad they are prioritizing that. We can wait, we wont die. I sincerely doubt all the census on delaying was erroneous by the testers.
    Last edited by m4zz0928; 2020-10-02 at 01:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malefic View Post
    Shadowlands isn't ready. It hasn't ever been ready. It's well documented, well publicised and well noted that if it launched as it is today it would be an absolute shit show of an expansion.Absolutely absurd.
    Hold on are you talking about that same expansion that was ANNOUNCED to launch on 27/10?

    Because it is my understanding that when you are announcing an expansion you are dead serious and that has been the case for 16 years.

    And then we had the GPU shitshow and somehow the launch was indefinitely postponed but I am crazy and everything else makes sense.

    I don’t see why you are so aggravated by my opinion either it’s just my fucking opinion. If you don’t agree, move on we don’t have to agree you know.
    WoW forums in a nutshell:
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    So I was using a gold dupe hack. I don't know why i was banned for this. It is so unfair.
    People need an incentive to play content. "Its fun!" is simply not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    Hold on are you talking about that same expansion that was ANNOUNCED to launch on 27/10?

    Because it is my understanding that when you are announcing an expansion you are dead serious and that has been the case for 16 years.

    And then we had the GPU shitshow and somehow the launch was indefinitely postponed but I am crazy and everything else makes sense.

    I don’t see why you are so aggravated by my opinion either it’s just my fucking opinion. If you don’t agree, move on we don’t have to agree you know.
    Actually they announced it, it was basically always rushed and then they fixed the expansions (or at least tried) in X.1, X.1.5 and X.2 before moving to next XPAC.

    This time around it looked just as broken and unbalanced as BFA. And first impressions count so once players stop rushing to max level and the hype is over, they might see so much unfinished, unbalanced stuff that SL could be perceived as another BFA.

    You can look at Warcraft 3 Reforged. People were hyped, then they released - and it completely backfired. If Shadowlands is supposed to improve the reputation, they just cannot again release a game in a disastrous state in hope they can fix it 5 months later in the next patch...

    SL has so much potential, but when they release it and gotta hotfix stuff all the time to go from insanely bad balanced to badly balanced/polished - i don't know how many bad xpacs WoW and Blizzard may survive until their reputation is so bad that you can see it in money revenue.

    And yes, that's the one thing that really hurts the Blizzard board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    Hold on are you talking about that same expansion that was ANNOUNCED to launch on 27/10?

    Because it is my understanding that when you are announcing an expansion you are dead serious and that has been the case for 16 years.

    And then we had the GPU shitshow and somehow the launch was indefinitely postponed but I am crazy and everything else makes sense.

    I don’t see why you are so aggravated by my opinion either it’s just my fucking opinion. If you don’t agree, move on we don’t have to agree you know.
    It hasn't been the case for 16 years, TBC was delayed.

    Okay, let's make some real assessments and look at why it's fundamentally clear the expansion wasn't ready then, furthermore, I can almost ensure multiple devs KNEW it wasn't ready and were screaming for it to not be announced as early as it was.

    August 27th - Via Gamescom, Blizzard announces the expansion to launch on October 27th.

    August 28th - Internal documents show that Blizzard have caved on the GCD issue, and will be removing the GCD from a hoard of abilities, stating that they "Haven't done the necessary work" to make all of those abilities feel meaningful when on GCD - Source: https://i.gyazo.com/6ec03a78f0e43714...90b9666457.png - This is an internal document from I believe slack, the date after the release date announcement admitting defeat on the GCD issues, the key element being "They haven't done the necessary work" which you can infer means they no longer had the time, because with more time they would have done the work they wanted.

    September 2nd - This is made officially public information 5 days later, https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-on-gcd/630189 , less than a week after announcing a release date, a hand has been shown to indicate the ambition for the project has to be reigned in.

    September 9th - Ion Hazzikostas releases a giant post about the direction of Shadowlands, https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...owlands/638371 including for the first time in the games history, their intention to split Shadowlands in to two patches, a pre-patch and an actual Shadowlands content patch so they can continue developing the systems/content of Shadowlands during the pre-patch. Historically this never happens. The only thing historically that changed in pre-patch is class balance/numbers. Systems by pre-patch are historically locked in and done. This shows clearly they need to grasp at every working week to get Shadowlands ready. This post finally publicly discusses the socket dilemma, something Blizzard stated back in early Alpha was something they wanted to resolve - with less than 7 weeks to launch Blizzard had finally decided to implement how sockets would function.


    September 25th - Blizzard test two bosses that have been tested multiple times on Mythic and have fundamental major issues with their design. Within hours of this testing, the PTR build that was flagged as release has been reverted to a Test Candidate.

    ^ This is likely when the official decision was made to delay the expansion.

    September 28th - Blizzard finally announce how the conduit ranking system is going to officially function, even though it is yet to be added to beta/alpha - something they announced would exist multiple months ago.

    September 30th - Blizzard make sweeping changes to covenant abilities, with some of the largest nerfs to abilities ever seen in the history of the game - specifically AoE based covenant abilities and tools after they tested the largest AoE clusterfuck fight of the raid (Sun King).

    October 1st - Blizzard publicly admit a delay will happen.

    October 2nd - Conduit ranking system now exists on beta.

    If you can't see the signs that it's obvious the game wasn't ready, within less than 24 hours of the release date being announced and you instead thing there is some multi-corporate deal going on where video games are being released to coincide with hardware releases, and Blizzard would risk losing millions of dollars because NVidia have issues then I really don't know what to say.

    What is most likely, is the same thing we see every single year in video game development. Senior members say "We're releasing the game on this date, have it ready", they announced that. It would appear at least this time the development team have managed to appeal to senior members and make them realize the game simply wouldn't be ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malefic View Post
    What is most likely, is the same thing we see every single year in video game development. Senior members say "We're releasing the game on this date, have it ready", they announced that. It would appear at least this time the development team have managed to appeal to senior members and make them realize the game simply wouldn't be ready.
    First of all, I appreciate very much the effort you put to make a very constructive post for things I didn’t know tbh so thank you.

    Having said that, I jumped into a conclusion regarding GPUs not because I’m some sort of conspiracy theorist but it striked me as completely strange to have a launch date and then cancel that.

    In all honesty I can’t for the life of me remember if TBC was postponed in the same way.

    Still I have hard time understanding why they pushed themselves to announce a date when by the looks of what is described it was at least 1-2 months early.

    From a marketing perspective I found it plausible that since hardware and software companies depend on each other by default, it could probably have something to do with it.

    Just an opinion and I guess i was wrong and I have no problem to admit it. Again nothing to be aggravated at (someone even called me troll).

    Again thanks for the very informative post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurosh View Post
    And yes, that's the one thing that really hurts the Blizzard board.
    Thank you also, some really good info there and I totally agree we cannot handle another BfA.
    WoW forums in a nutshell:
    m8 i've been around since Feb 2005, I know it all.
    So I was using a gold dupe hack. I don't know why i was banned for this. It is so unfair.
    People need an incentive to play content. "Its fun!" is simply not enough.

  7. #1047
    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    You and I are not important enough to get the real explanation.
    As it stands, there are too many “coincidences” aligning so my guess is as good as any.

    As a business strategy it is clear that the collaboration with Nvidia has a lot to do with stalling the launch.

    And while you are not required to play wow in anything better than your good old toaster, there’s a lot of people like me who have the budget to afford the shit you deem “not necessary in order to play”.

    Well guess what buddy, for some of us it’s necessary to play at ultra 4K with 144hz and we are the ones feeding game companies and hardware companies. They can’t tell you we matter more to them because God forbid that would hurt your feelings, but I don’t care about how you feel and so here I am breaking the news to you.

    Now if you really want to convince yourself that SL was “unfinished” sure good ahead and I will keep thinking that it’s because my 3090 is still in the mail. No harm no foul.
    The only thing that's clear to me, is that it's not worth replying any further to this obvious troll.

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