Oh Look, Executions are barbaric and horrible

[Nastard]

I'm not going to make a statement on the morality of the death penalty.

But I will instead say this. If this is as painful as the original post makes it out to be, it's probably still a far nicer death than the rest of us will get to experience. Odds are, several of us who have posted in this thread will die super slowly and painfully from cancer eating us alive from the inside. Possibly it'll even be covid that makes us slowly drown on our own fluids over the course of a week. Maybe if we're "lucky" we'll die instantly from a car crash and barely register the pain.

The only question I have is this because I honestly don't know the answer: are prisoners rendered unconscious before they administer the lethal drug? If so, could their brains even register any potential suffering in their final moments? The gasping for air and froth might not be a sign of distress but rather an involuntary response of the body trying to stay alive? And if they're not rendered unconscious first, why the hell not?

[Easo]

Gotta say, it is quite ironic when humans are unable to effectively kill another humans, contrary to the our whole history.

[kamuimac]

and any person supporting in their own world probably also belongs on the table as a precautionary measure.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/79317...thal-injection



Support of this and any death penalty frankly is barbarism.

thats why simple bullet to the head should be used.

much cheaper and humanitarian solution .

woudl could even use simple robots for it to remove human psychological factor for executioners. and make process cheaper.

[rayvio]

Maybe they should read them a bedtime story as they drift off peacefully one last time. I mean really though what would you have them do just let criminals sit in jail until they die from old age or whatever? I mean they are being executed it's not supposed to be pleasant you can call it torture but it is what it is. They should have thought about all that before they committed whatever crime they did.

if you're fine with it being painful then why spend a fortune on it when there's cheap methods that are only avoided because of how barbaric they are?

[lagiacrux]

Yeah it's barbaric and I'd rather find ways to transform criminals into normal productive people, but at the same time I'm not going to lose any sleep over their loss when there are so many bigger problems in the world involving innocent people.

this is involving innocent people.

University of Michigan law professor Samuel Gross led a team of experts in the law and in statistics that estimated the likely number of unjust convictions. The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent. Gross has no doubt that some innocent people have been executed.[18][19]

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

[LilSaihah]

woudl could even use simple robots for it to remove human psychological factor for executioners. and make process cheaper.

You can't even look a man in the eye before you kill him? Sad.

[lagiacrux]

You can't even look a man in the eye before you kill him? Sad.

The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.

source: some random tv show

[Themius]

thats why simple bullet to the head should be used.

much cheaper and humanitarian solution .

woudl could even use simple robots for it to remove human psychological factor for executioners. and make process cheaper.

How old are you? I ask because if you’re using your answer may be acceptable. If you’re not a young teen though then your answer is worrisome.

How a person can be in the dark about why executions are costly, I have no idea...

[kamuimac]

How old are you? I ask because if you’re using your answer may be acceptable. If you’re not a young teen though then your answer is worrisome.

How a person can be in the dark about why executions are costly, I have no idea...

and why so ? just because i dont agree with general narrative of "western " world ?

im strong supporter of old fashined punishements - like death penalty , use of pillory (for light crimes) or simple dark-ages solutions like cutting of arm of thief.

brutal ? for sure and very much - but it would be much more effective then what we have now and what is leading to fall of western civiliasation.

[lagiacrux]

and why so ? just because i dont agree with general narrative of "western " world ?

im strong supporter of old fashined punishements - like death penalty , use of pillory (for light crimes) or simple dark-ages solutions like cutting of arm of thief.

brutal ? for sure and very much - but it would be much more effective then what we have now and what is leading to fall of western civiliasation.

thats a very medieval approach. whats your opinion on people getting falsly convicted of crime? does this facter into your thinking in any meaningful way?

[Zalbagff]

if you're fine with it being painful then why spend a fortune on it when there's cheap methods that are only avoided because of how barbaric they are?

I mean if they are proven guilty behind a shadow of a doubt then let them use the cheaper methods. Some people are just evil even if people don't want to accept that not everyone can be helped. I can't think of a good reason to waste money to keep someone like that alive.

[XDurionX]

Yeah it's medieval and has always been about revenge rather than justice. That's why the civilised world got rid of it.

[Themius]

and why so ? just because i dont agree with general narrative of "western " world ?

im strong supporter of old fashined punishements - like death penalty , use of pillory (for light crimes) or simple dark-ages solutions like cutting of arm of thief.

brutal ? for sure and very much - but it would be much more effective then what we have now and what is leading to fall of western civiliasation.

Fall of western civilisation? Due to treating people like humans? Most revolts happen in places that practice what you want.

[lagiacrux]

I can't think of a good reason to waste money to keep someone like that alive.

about that: https://www.thebalance.com/comparing...prison-4689874

A Susquehanna University report found that, on average, across all 50 states, a death row inmate costs $1.12 million more than a general population inmate. In July 2018, there were 2,738 inmates on death row.

 That's almost $3 billion additional expense than if they had all been sentenced to life in prison instead.

[Themius]

I mean if they are proven guilty behind a shadow of a doubt then let them use the cheaper methods. Some people are just evil even if people don't want to accept that not everyone can be helped. I can't think of a good reason to waste money to keep someone like that alive.

1. it costs more to kill someone
2. many people in prison have severe mental problems which predispose them to violence due to their upbrining
3. there is no "justice" in that system only revenge porn.

[Kotuthan]

If they do things like this to their own people knowlingly. Just imagine what they are doing to the people in the Concentration Camps and Blacksites. Who get even less legal protection.

[Zalbagff]

1. it costs more to kill someone
2. many people in prison have severe mental problems which predispose them to violence due to their upbrining
3. there is no "justice" in that system only revenge porn.

What would you propose then? You yourself just said many people have severe mental problems which most likely means they can't be rehabilitated. Just because you don't believe in the death penalty doesn't mean it isn't right or wrong. If someone killed your Mom/Dad/Kid brutally you would just be ok with them sitting in jail until they die? Everyone is different though I suppose I mean I'd certainly have thoughts of killing them it would be the least that can happen. Eye for an eye and all that.

[MCMLXXXII]

Me wanting the other person,who killed my beloved one, dead makes me exact the same person he/she is. I rather have someone see the same 4 walls for the rest of his live then let him take the easy way out, as in death.

[Themius]

What would you propose then? You yourself just said many people have severe mental problems which most likely means they can't be rehabilitated. Just because you don't believe in the death penalty doesn't mean it isn't right or wrong. If someone killed your Mom/Dad/Kid brutally you would just be ok with them sitting in jail until they die? Everyone is different though I suppose I mean I'd certainly have thoughts of killing them it would be the least that can happen. Eye for an eye and all that.

Mental institutions are a thing. And your example to use my parents precisely is the problem.

Revenge isn’t justice

[lordsphinx]

The reason death row inmates are so expensive is due to the nonstop flood of appeals.

My solution? If someone is convicted of a heinous crime, one that would currently be eligible for the death penalty, and there is zero possibility that anyone else did it, then they should be executed that afternoon after the trial. If there is enough of a doubt that the person doesn’t qualify to be executed that day, then they get life in prison.

I’m talking about people that are absolutely guilty... Examples may be people who are caught on video tape, crimes with more than three eye witnesses, serial killers/ serial rapists, cases with DNA evidence that’s not questionable, etc etc. When there is an overwhelming flood of evidence, beyond anything that could be considered circumstance, then there shouldn’t be any prison time at all. Case over? Gavel down? Drag the bastard out back and get it over with. Easy Peasy.