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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Checkt View Post
    the longest here meaning...what...the 5 months it was actually online in a semi populated state?
    How's it an argument how long it stayed "popular"? That's besides the point they made.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    >Faction reps
    Classic: One hundred percent optional. You can get some profession patterns, but if you desire any of these enchants/crafts you can get them from other players who bothered.
    BFA: you have dungeons gated behind faction reputations, essences and flying.

    > PvP ranks:
    Classic: One hundred percent optional. I raid in Classic and I've never touched PvP outside of getting Rank 3 for the discount.
    BFA: Forces you to PvP for essences.

    > Mats for raiding materials:
    Classic: If you're in a decent guild, the guild bank can in most cases provide materials needed for flasks where necessary for progression. Flasks are not used for farm because it's overkill. Flasks also persist on death. You can make it all the way to Naxx with nothing but resistance potions so your time spent grinding for mats is minimal.
    BFA: You are usually expected to show up with food, flasks, and pots for every raid worth hours of grind or thousands of gold.

    > Resist gear:
    Classic: This only applies if you're the given role that requires it, excluding Naxx.
    BFA: Non-existent.

    It sounds to me like you're comparing casual BFA LFR to (semi)hardcore vanilla raiding. If you want to get that in depth I'd like to bring up Method's hundreds of millions of gold debt to stay competitive in BFA.
    This is reductive. Vanilla is a boring grindfest. Full stop.

  3. #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Dreamhaven will kill WoW. Just like Wildstar did.
    Well...

    A.) Dreamhaven is a game development company, and the parent company to two gaming studios. Not a game.

    B.) No games have been announced, so we have no idea what kind of games they'll initially develop. There is literally nothing to suggest it would even compete in the same market.

    So this statement is kind of silly at best.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Oakshana View Post
    So this statement is kind of silly at best.
    I think this analysis was too serious for such a silly statement for sure
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  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by ColbaneX View Post
    This is reductive. Vanilla is a boring grindfest. Full stop.
    Yet I provide numerous examples of grinds in BFA yet you can't provide a single example of grind in vanilla. You are very convincing.

  6. #286
    Hope they make a game about Orcs and Humans. Where the Orcs come through a portal to a world where the humans live and they wage war on each other. Would be a cool game I think.
    Garrosh was right.

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Checkt View Post
    I mean I guess thinking its funny how desperately everyone clings to the idea of Activision bad, blizzard soul good makes me unhinged right? ....lol
    I mean... those are your words.

  8. #288
    Isnt this the 16th studio made by former blizzard devs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathrange View Post
    Hope they make a game about Orcs and Humans. Where the Orcs come through a portal to a world where the humans live and they wage war on each other. Would be a cool game I think.
    Mike is a businessman. He believes himself responsible for starting the internet gaming revolution. Its going to be a multiplayer competitive game of some sort. Same as Bonfire studios is doing: the other game studio made by "legendary blizzard devs".
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  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    >Faction reps
    Classic: One hundred percent optional. You can get some profession patterns, but if you desire any of these enchants/crafts you can get them from other players who bothered.
    BFA: you have dungeons gated behind faction reputations, essences and flying.
    The dungeons remained locked behind rep for only five months. And even so, you did not need to do those dungeons. You don't need to do the reps in BfA just like you didn't need to do the reps back in vanilla.

    > PvP ranks:
    Classic: One hundred percent optional. I raid in Classic and I've never touched PvP outside of getting Rank 3 for the discount.
    BFA: Forces you to PvP for essences.
    I'm sorry, but you're being incredibly disingenuous, here. First, because BfA doesn't "force" you to do PvP for the essences, at all. And second, because the poster is talking about PvP ranks, not rewards or content locked behind PvP ranks. You're using a red herring, here.

    > Mats for raiding materials:
    Classic: If you're in a decent guild, the guild bank can in most cases provide materials needed for flasks where necessary for progression. Flasks are not used for farm because it's overkill. Flasks also persist on death. You can make it all the way to Naxx with nothing but resistance potions so your time spent grinding for mats is minimal.
    BFA: You are usually expected to show up with food, flasks, and pots for every raid worth hours of grind or thousands of gold.
    Flasks only started persisting through death on patch 1.7. And once again you're being disingenuous. Guilds in BfA do not "expect you to show up with food, flasks and pots", unless you're a serious raiding guild, and even then, those guilds often supply you with food and flasks. I'd imagine that "serious raiding guilds" in Vanilla would expect you to regularly pitch in with materials (herbs and food) for the guild's flasks, food and potions.

    > Resist gear:
    Classic: This only applies if you're the given role that requires it, excluding Naxx.
    BFA: Non-existent.
    Point for BfA.
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  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    The dungeons remained locked behind rep for only five months. And even so, you did not need to do those dungeons. You don't need to do the reps in BfA just like you didn't need to do the reps back in vanilla.


    I'm sorry, but you're being incredibly disingenuous, here. First, because BfA doesn't "force" you to do PvP for the essences, at all. And second, because the poster is talking about PvP ranks, not rewards or content locked behind PvP ranks. You're using a red herring, here.


    Flasks only started persisting through death on patch 1.7. And once again you're being disingenuous. Guilds in BfA do not "expect you to show up with food, flasks and pots", unless you're a serious raiding guild, and even then, those guilds often supply you with food and flasks. I'd imagine that "serious raiding guilds" in Vanilla would expect you to regularly pitch in with materials (herbs and food) for the guild's flasks, food and potions.


    Point for BfA.
    > The dungeons remained locked behind rep for only five months. And even so, you did not need to do those dungeons. You don't need to do the reps in BfA just like you didn't need to do the reps back in vanilla.

    You need to do those dungeons in mythic+ and mythic for gear.

    > I'm sorry, but you're being incredibly disingenuous, here. First, because BfA doesn't "force" you to do PvP for the essences, at all. And second, because the poster is talking about PvP ranks, not rewards or content locked behind PvP ranks. You're using a red herring, here.

    You have to grind for PvP ranks. You also have to grind for PvP rating (titles, rewards), the point is?

    > Guilds in BfA do not "expect you to show up with food, flasks and pots", unless you're a serious raiding guild, and even then, those guilds often supply you with food and flasks. I'd imagine that "serious raiding guilds" in Vanilla would expect you to regularly pitch in with materials (herbs and food) for the guild's flasks, food and potions.

    Every guild I've been in, whether it be a Mythic progression guild or a casual AotC guild has required me to show up fully buffed with food, flasks, and potions. My Classic guild has not required me to show up with anything other than mana potions. You can't prove my experience wrong.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    You need to do those dungeons in mythic+ and mythic for gear.
    No. No, you didn't need to. There were other dungeons with mythic and mythic+ options. Siege of Boralus and King's Rest weren't the only two dungeons in the game with mythic and mythic+ options.

    You have to grind for PvP ranks. You also have to grind for PvP rating (titles, rewards), the point is?
    Wasn't it, back in Vanilla, you had to keep grinding PvP and honor otherwise you'd lose ranking with each passing... week? Or was it month?

    Every guild I've been in, whether it be a Mythic progression guild or a casual AotC guild has required me to show up fully buffed with food, flasks, and potions. My Classic guild has not required me to show up with anything other than mana potions. You can't prove my experience wrong.
    I can call your attempt to pass your experience as a general fact of how guilds operate in BfA. Every guild I've been in has provided flasks and food for everyone, and sometimes even potions. Anecdotal evidence cancels anecdotal evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakylog View Post
    How's it an argument how long it stayed "popular"? That's besides the point they made.
    because he seems to imply that wildstar was fun and enjoyable for a long time when it was basically DOA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    I mean... those are your words.
    you seem like a stable individual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Mike is a businessman. He believes himself responsible for starting the internet gaming revolution. Its going to be a multiplayer competitive game of some sort. Same as Bonfire studios is doing: the other game studio made by "legendary blizzard devs".
    but THIS time it'll be like the original blizzard

  13. #293
    why do people on mmo-champ even care about dreamhaven?
    Aren't we here because we wanna play mmorpgs? Dreamhaven won't be involved in developing a MMO like wow.
    So what's the point? If you wanna play mmorpgs you are still stuck with WOW, or FFXIV if you're weeb that's into shitty raids and gameplay.

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    I would like to say congrats. Stepping from worker to owner is a incredibly brave move. I did it about 5 years ago in the building industry. I can say there will be ups and down. Lot's and lot's of learning experiences. And a change in your life style. For me, owning a business is like changing your life to a different life style. You never clock out, your business is always a part of you 24/7. Now I can say, all that stated, I would do it again in a heartbeat. When you get your stride, you will know, and you will be elevated in your mind, and you will know a whole new set of skills few will understand. There will be haters, there will be dishonest business players. Stay strong and be honest, stay positive and understand setbacks are just the price of learning. You will end up happy, distinguished, fulfilled and of course very very successful.
    Good luck and I hope you guys see this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyclassictopkeklel View Post
    why do people on mmo-champ even care about dreamhaven?
    Aren't we here because we wanna play mmorpgs? Dreamhaven won't be involved in developing a MMO like wow.
    So what's the point? If you wanna play mmorpgs you are still stuck with WOW, or FFXIV if you're weeb that's into shitty raids and gameplay.
    Says who?

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  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by Checkt View Post
    because he seems to imply that wildstar was fun and enjoyable for a long time when it was basically DOA

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    you seem like a stable individual

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    but THIS time it'll be like the original blizzard
    ANd you know that how? For all you know, it will be a massive failure. That said, people syiang "Origianl Blizzard" are actually saying "Company who made games I loved".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyclassictopkeklel View Post
    why do people on mmo-champ even care about dreamhaven?
    Aren't we here because we wanna play mmorpgs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    ANd you know that how? For all you know, it will be a massive failure. That said, people syiang "Origianl Blizzard" are actually saying "Company who made games I loved".
    Thanks for explaining the joke incase some people missed it

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