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  1. #121
    Yes, I think it is a needlessly graphic-intensive game... Cant it just be text based to save cpu load

  2. #122
    Oh look, another OP who thinks WoW is the same game it was in 2004. Neato.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalika View Post
    The CPU has the GPU chip the motherboard has the ports. Not all MB have the ports and not all CPU have a IGPU. Most Xeons do not have iGPU and I3/5/7 with "K" after the name does not either.
    A CPU having an iGPU is not the same thing as your motherboard having graphics. Your motherboard does not have a graphics card

    Also K sku CPUs do have iGPUs K just means they are overclockable I believe you are confusing the K branding with the F branding which removes the iGPU

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalika View Post
    You are getting that feeling because your response are wrong, rude, condescending, you are arguing with me and you clearly have no clue. "U" processors are not sold in stores and are not consumer CPU they come in prebuilt systems mostly moble and laptops they are also a different shape. Most laptops and mobile devices do not have sockets they have sodered on CPU's. In addition your quoting is bad since I clearly said Laptops CPU with "U" can not be used in a desktop but you and your Peon's brain left that out.
    You are getting that feeling because your response are wrong, rude, condescending,
    They are? As opposed to yours you mean? Thats an interesting viewpoint reeeally

    you clearly have no clue
    you and your Peon's brain
    Most laptops and mobile devices do not have sockets they have sodered on CPU's.
    maybe they did 20 years ago. No idea about that.

    In addition your quoting is bad since I clearly said Laptops CPU with "U" can not be used in a desktop
    No you didnt :/

    And no you can not run an I3 for a laptop in a Desktop because you can not buy a Laptop CPU as a consumer
    You are obviously getting very angry about being wrong all the time. I'm just gonna let this one fizzle out now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    Can you please direct me to where I can find the integrated graphics on my motherboard? I'm having trouble locating it.

    I can't believe you're out here trying to tell people they're wrong about CPUs while claiming MBs have an iGPU
    https://hexus.net/tech/tech-explaine...processor-igp/

    ??

    Is this new to you?

    My first laptop didnt have a seperate graphics card. I was working with 8mb of onboard memory for graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolioe View Post
    SNIPPERINO
    People come at me putting words in my mouth and then scruff off again when they realise they are wrong, you are just the next person in the line bro :P

    I havent said there arent i3 chips for desktops. I've said the i3 line is currently being produced for mobile devices. Thats the idea with keeping the i3 line alive. Its not something I say its something intel advertise with. So if you have a problem with that you can take that up with them.

    I have no idea what your entire 2nd paragraph is meant to underline. It seems like you forgot to quote someone else because it has nothing to do with me.

    Last paragraph aswell. Seems like you are trying to excavate something from me that i havent said. As if you could summarize that i think i3's cant be used for running games or that it wont run Shadowlands.

    It doesnt change the fact that you would be pretty dumb buying an i3 today for gaming however. Just like you would not getting an ssd at least for your OS. Do you HAVE to? Nope. its your choice

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post

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    https://hexus.net/tech/tech-explaine...processor-igp/

    ??

    Is this new to you?

    My first laptop didnt have a seperate graphics card. I was working with 8mb of onboard memory for graphics
    Most intel CPUs and some Ryzen CPUs (the APUs to be precise) have an iGPU in them.

    No modern consumer motherboard has a GPU.

    You also seem to think that laptops have CPU sockets and not soldered on processors which is also just wrong

    You said that intel advertises that the i3 line is designed for mobile devices (I assume you mean laptops because to my knowledge no mobile device uses an intel CPU) but that also isn't true.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-....446651.0.html

    Look at this article specifically this part

    "On one particular slide, they claimed that the i3 9350K was faster than the entire Ryzen 5 3xxx product stack at gaming, office work, content creation, and other uses."

    Clearly intel thinks i3s are designed for gaming.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    Most intel CPUs and some Ryzen CPUs (the APUs to be precise) have an iGPU in them.

    No modern consumer motherboard has a GPU.

    You also seem to think that laptops have CPU sockets and not soldered on processors which is also just wrong

    You said that intel advertises that the i3 line is designed for mobile devices (I assume you mean laptops because to my knowledge no mobile device uses an intel CPU) but that also isn't true.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-....446651.0.html

    Look at this article specifically this part

    "On one particular slide, they claimed that the i3 9350K was faster than the entire Ryzen 5 3xxx product stack at gaming, office work, content creation, and other uses."

    Clearly intel thinks i3s are designed for gaming.
    I'm not talking about an actual gpu. I'm simply talking about borrowing memory from other parts of the system because you dont have an gpu to do the graphics processing.

    Thats called integrated graphics. You can look it up if you feel like it.

    And no, they dont think the i3 is for gaming on a pc. It can be used for it, but thats not what the line is made for

    Edit.

    I'm not sure why i told you that you could look it up, i literally already linked you an article to help educate you.
    Last edited by ClassicPeon; 2020-09-27 at 10:43 AM.

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    Its almost as if old, popular games get updated to try and somewhat keep up with the times.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    SL’s minimum (not “recommended” but “minimum”) requirement is an i5 processor. I have an i3 that runs GW2 (avoid game vs. game discussion) just fine but can’t run this ancient beast that is WoW? What a ripoff!
    It's not graphically intensive. It's CPU intensive, which is why even with high end cards, frame rates can still be shitty. The upgrades they have done over the years has improved it, but at the end of the day, the engine is an old piece of garbage that is massively holding the game back in 2020.

    I can't see that ever changing.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I'm not talking about an actual gpu. I'm simply talking about borrowing memory from other parts of the system because you dont have an gpu to do the graphics processing.

    Thats called integrated graphics. You can look it up if you feel like it.

    And no, they dont think the i3 is for gaming on a pc. It can be used for it, but thats not what the line is made for

    Edit.

    I'm not sure why i told you that you could look it up, i literally already linked you an article to help educate you.
    The article that you linked is from 2009 and literally states that motherboard graphics will be phased out by 2012. Are you some boomer living in the past trying to argue that technology never changed?

  10. #130
    This is why games have slider settings. WoW has half decent graphics still, even being as old as it is, thanks to updates, but those effects are optional.

    Even at max settings at 1440p the game runs at 60+ FPS on my 8 year old PC.

  11. #131
    OP doesnt know anything about computers lmao

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Corroc View Post
    The article that you linked is from 2009 and literally states that motherboard graphics will be phased out by 2012. Are you some boomer living in the past trying to argue that technology never changed?
    HAHA. Talk about being oblivious. My original comment on the matter WAS a reflection on how we arent using on board memory to power our graphics anymore because we all have graphics cards.

    You are so far out now that you dont even know how the conversation originated :P

  13. #133
    the fact they adding ray traceing finally gives me a reason to upgrade my 3d card mine is very old now anyways can't wait to replace it soon!

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    SL’s minimum (not “recommended” but “minimum”) requirement is an i5 processor. I have an i3 that runs GW2 (avoid game vs. game discussion) just fine but can’t run this ancient beast that is WoW? What a ripoff!
    Wow is not graphic-intensive. You can play it with outdated processors and even more outdated graphic cards just fine. If you can't afford to upgrade your pc every 5-6 years, you got more serious problems than wow.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    HAHA. Talk about being oblivious. My original comment on the matter WAS a reflection on how we arent using on board memory to power our graphics anymore because we all have graphics cards.

    You are so far out now that you dont even know how the conversation originated :P
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    I havent at any point said that you couldnt run games with a tenth gen i3. Just like the integrated graphics of most MB's today are enough to run a lot of games. Thats not really what they are made for tho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    Can you please direct me to where I can find the integrated graphics on my motherboard? I'm having trouble locating it.

    I can't believe you're out here trying to tell people they're wrong about CPUs while claiming MBs have an iGPU
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    https://hexus.net/tech/tech-explaine...processor-igp/

    ??

    Is this new to you?

    My first laptop didnt have a seperate graphics card. I was working with 8mb of onboard memory for graphics
    Pretty sure you were arguing that current motherboards have integreated graphics and then provided proof from 2009 article that stated that integrated graphics are going to be phased out. This just proves that you literally have no idea about the current tech and you are just piggypagging arguments from something you learned 10 years ago.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Krothar View Post
    Its almost as if old, popular games get updated to try and somewhat keep up with the times.
    Old engines/games tend to scale bad with modern technology. If WoW was made from scratch right now and copy the same graphics they are currently using, it would perform way better because the engine is just so dated. At some point they will probably need to remake WoW because the engine is too bad and will just not scale good enough to be played with low mainstream hardware. I give it 5-6 years until WoWs minimum speccs will be too high to run on most low/mid-end PCs and they would lose too many customers and that will warrant a new engine to be implemented. World of Tanks also did this step because BigWorld Engine would just not scale well anymore. WG then released their new engine and users with old PCs gained more FPS and had a prettier game. The same will happen with WoW at some point, it's inevitable. Kudos to the WoW Dev team for even having the skill to still being able to deliver humble speccs for such a dated and shitty engine (by todays standards).
    Last edited by Qnubi; 2020-09-27 at 03:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryuFate View Post
    SL’s minimum (not “recommended” but “minimum”) requirement is an i5 processor. I have an i3 that runs GW2 (avoid game vs. game discussion) just fine but can’t run this ancient beast that is WoW? What a ripoff!
    Running around in a starting zone by yourself with all of the graphics turned to low is fine, but when you're in a raid of 20+ people or in a BG with 40+ people the CPU load changes and you need to have a better system to handle the game properly.

    WoW isn't normally as GPU intensive as it is CPU intensive

    You basically should always cap your fps at 60 if you're running integrated GPU and make sure to turn off stuff you don't need (some shadows etc effects)

    Do you need to spent 700$ on a new 3080 from nvidia to run wow.. Hell Nah

    Should you set your expectations where they should be on a game with expansion by expansion upgraded engine/graphics/detail: yes

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Corroc View Post
    Pretty sure you were arguing that current motherboards have integreated graphics and then provided proof from 2009 article that stated that integrated graphics are going to be phased out. This just proves that you literally have no idea about the current tech and you are just piggypagging arguments from something you learned 10 years ago.
    You can still borrow the the memory form your MB's and INTEGRATE it if you dont have a graphics card but noont really does it because everyone has a graphics card. The part thats not there any more is the IGPU's.

    And no. My original comment was on how we literally dont use it anymore.

    Its so sad that you guys keep coming at me and keep being wrong. I dont understand why you would keep doing that.

    Its like watching a Terrence Hill/Bud Spencer western

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    You can still borrow the the memory form your MB's and INTEGRATE it if you dont have a graphics card but noont really does it because everyone has a graphics card. The part thats not there any more is the IGPU's.

    And no. My original comment was on how we literally dont use it anymore.

    Its so sad that you guys keep coming at me and keep being wrong. I dont understand why you would keep doing that.

    Its like watching a Terrence Hill/Bud Spencer western
    Because most of your arguments have just been "no its not like that". You have stated multiple times that intel specifically manufactures i3 chips for mobiles. And you still dont believe i3->i9 is actually the same silicon chip. Its hilarious that someone so clueless thinks he is right.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicPeon View Post
    You can still borrow the the memory form your MB's and INTEGRATE it if you dont have a graphics card but noont really does it because everyone has a graphics card. The part thats not there any more is the IGPU's.

    And no. My original comment was on how we literally dont use it anymore.

    Its so sad that you guys keep coming at me and keep being wrong. I dont understand why you would keep doing that.

    Its like watching a Terrence Hill/Bud Spencer western
    You don't borrow memory from your motherboard to produce graphics. Memory doesn't produce graphics it stores data.

    A iGPU in an intel processor or a Ryzen APU will borrow memory from your RAM but that's not from your motherboard its from your RAM.

    iGPUs are still there today. A 10600k which is arguably the best gaming CPU to buy today price/performance has an iGPU.

    I'm 99% convinced you're a troll at this point but please keep responding this is fun.

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