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    so 1/30 into level 10 of the electro shrine is max we can have atm right (electroculus tracker thing doesnt show me anymore on the map when i use it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutler View Post
    so 1/30 into level 10 of the electro shrine is max we can have atm right (electroculus tracker thing doesnt show me anymore on the map when i use it)
    I almost collected all of the smaller part to. Just missing a 3 day feed a cat miniquest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I didn't mean literally handing them out. Just because they aren't distributed consciously doesn't mean they aren't bound to the Archon's will, rather the fact that they stopped showing up during the Hunt is direct evidence that on some level, deciding visions were bad meant she stopped creating new ones. Qwerty your logic here makes no sense. The situations that lead to visions we know of are generally not so specific so as to only require a single sort of vision.

    The scholar whose ambition is to heal people doesn't need a hydro vision, because hydro isn't the only element that heals, all of them are capable of doing that, presumably dendro as well. He could have gotten any vision. Likewise, if he is suddenly attack, how on earth would having a hydro vision be useless? We're not talking video game mechanics here, but narrative implications. A hydro vision is not useless against a group of bandits simply because they have cryo, it can still be used to attack and defend. If just having a situation where a better vision would be helpful or save you was all it took to manifest a second vision, they would be everywhere. Vision users are constantly risking their lives and in the middle of things, but no one has two.

    Someone who is extremely ambitious isn't ambitious "but only pyro". Xianling's amibition for cooking, based primarily around wanting to find new and interesting ingredients and methods should have also easily manifested a hydro, dendro, and/or cryo vision. I'd reiterate that Amber's entire thing is how she absolutely loves gliding and freedom and is an extreme go-getter full of ambition so why hasn't she ever gotten an anemo vision? Characters like Ning, Keqing and Beidou are full of amibitions and Beidou especially should have run into plenty of situations that would qualify for a second vision.

    It makes no sense.

    There is nothing that says two visions can't ever possibly happen forever, but there is a LOT of stuff that implicitly suggests this is the case. I'm not arguing that Yae isn't going to be dual-element, I'm sure she could just rely on kitsune magic. I'm just saying "Oh there's no limit on having visions you can just manifest more of them if you get into other situations" is absurd and significantly undermines parts of the game's story.
    Not even Ei knows why electro visions weren't given out. And if it was really related to the Archon don't you think the Tsaritsa would just be tossing out a ton of Cryo so the Fatui could steamroll everyone and she could quickly enact what ever her plan is? Or that everyone in Liyue would have been making contracts with Zhongli to get a geo vision?

    My example wasn't to say only hydro heals. It was just an example where one element is clearly weaker to the other as having all your attacks/heals/what ever frozen means you can't do shit and it was also an example of two different desires that could potentially lead to obtaining a second vision.

    Amber doesn't need a anemo vision. Nor does she have a second desire to obtain one :""What you lacked was not wind, but courage. It is courage that has allowed you to become the first flying birds of this world."

    Amber realized that she shouldn't wait for directions from someone else, but that she should be like those courageous birds that spread their wings and flew into the blue skies.

    "There must be something that only I can do. There must be."

    The moment she realized this, a Vision began to shine brightly at her hip." that is how she got her vision.

    Also Amber cares more about preserving the outriders more than gliding. Who knows, maybe if she gave up that dream and fully devoted to gliding maybe she might be granted an anemo vision.

    What implicitly states that there can't be any multi vision users? We literally just saw an example of one. Don't forget that lorewise a vision user is pretty rare compared to the number of actual humans and we have only experienced 3 countries so far. Also we already have examples of unique vision users that we haven't seen more examples of yet like Fischl and Oz. Fischl is literally the only example of a vision user manifesting a sentient being with their vision.

    Lots of people have ambition and yet don't receive a vision. That's just likely part of it. We can't even be sure if its ambition since there are people like Klee who have no idea how they got it.

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    The main issues with this are, his friend is dead, and most people won't have a hold of a second vision. Even during the quests they talk about how its so incredibly rare to see a masterless vision. So that brings up the even bigger questions. Are there other masterless visions? Could this same thing happen by activating a vision that isn't masterless and still belongs to someone? We have also never seen an instance of someone being granted two visions. I think Kazuha was just for the story. He even tried to get someone else to be able to reawaken it under extreme conditions.

    I wouldn't really want them to have a dual element character. With only two spells, one would be one element and the other a different one. I also want to see them at least finally put Dendro in and get that going before we try and dual elemental characters.
    As far as we know visions don't break so there are tons of masterless visions as when a vision user dies they deactivate. People even trade/sell masterless visions in hopes of getting their own vision or to make money of people who want one.

    I think it would probably be like Childe where you "switch stances".

    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBoo View Post
    The feeling I got form that was more 'residual spirit energy from his friend" or some other hand-wavy nonsense moreso than kazuha himself activating it.



    Andrius isn't a vision holder. The world seems to me to have plenty of examples that certain creatures are elemental in nature and have natural affinity. Just not any vision holders, though I suppose that could go for fox people like yae. However, I still hope they don't. Keeping playable characters as one element is cleaner, more straight forward design IMO.
    It clearly shows that it was due to resonating with his friends desire "there will always be those who dare to brave the lightnings glow". Kazuha wasn't doing it to experience the ultimate technique though but to save his friend.

    They kinda painted themselves into a corner with 7 elements and 5 weapon types in a gacha game. Imo it would be better to add a new weapon type but maybe they feel double element was easier to do. We still got at the very least 4 more "expansions" and like 12+ new characters in each of them? Sure they still have dendro but even then you get 5 new dendro/weapon combos before you start repeating.
    Last edited by qwerty123456; 2021-09-09 at 10:07 PM.

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    Not a fan of the dual-element thing, at least not in electro's current state and electro's interaction with Fire/Ice. Even geo is in a better spot, because the only reason it's not taken is because it doesn't have good elemental-reactions.

    Considering that Ice/Water or Fire/Water Fire/Ice can be a thing then, Electro will just ruin it whenever you put them together with any of those.

    it destroys freeze.
    it kicks away and uses up fire.
    it stops melt/vapor from working.
    It has the weakest resonance.

    Dual-element will make team building a lot easier and thus easier to build proper melt/vapor teams.
    Now you pretty much always have to sacrifice something, or rather the teams work but "not flawlessly"... and that is already less and less common with more characters releasing because "they just fit".

    They kinda painted themselves into a corner with 7 elements and 5 weapon types in a gacha game. Imo it would be better to add a new weapon type but maybe they feel double element was easier to do.
    Big fat doubt. First of all, they aren't in any corner whatsoever.
    There is nothing difficult in adding more weapon types.
    A gun, fists, sword&shield and whatever comes to mind. You can perfectly explain why they are currently not used as much as well and why you haven't encountered anyone using them. At least for the gun and fist weapons. But we know Sword&Shield users as well. Stanley for example.
    It's just animation and attackspeed/modifier variation.

    Compared to double-element and the change to teambuilding and the whole "meta" and resonance thing etc....
    Last edited by KrayZ33; 2021-09-10 at 05:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I didn't mean literally handing them out. Just because they aren't distributed consciously doesn't mean they aren't bound to the Archon's will, rather the fact that they stopped showing up during the Hunt is direct evidence that on some level, deciding visions were bad meant she stopped creating new ones
    There is nothing to suggest Archons don't know everything there is to know about how the world works. They know where the Visions come from, they are clearly just obliged not to tell anyone about it, they are afraid, or both.
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    Honey Impact being taken down.

    Fucking hell Mihoyo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Honey Impact being taken down.

    Fucking hell Mihoyo.
    Its still up if you wana get some information down.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Its still up if you wana get some information down.
    It's more for the future. They were a good source for planning upcoming banners (which MHY doesn't want ofc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    It's more for the future. They were a good source for planning upcoming banners (which MHY doesn't want ofc).
    Much more usefull that their garbage wiki. Anyway here is site owner thing:

    So far MHY asks our web hosting provider to remove the main domain of honeyhunterworld.com, which will obliterate all of my websites and web projects, within 24 hours.

    From my side I have few questions to MHY:
    1. The whole community uses datamined assets including fandom wiki, various apps and database websites, also including official content creators.
    2. Instead of contacting me or us personally, MHY decides to stab our back and solve it without contacting us hoping we will never know (which is not surprisingly, knowing how greedy this company is for money and blackmailing people is a normal thing in their corporation politics)
    3. Instead of asking to remove several pages on website, they ask to remove the whole 130k pages website, and all my _other_ web (and game servers actually) projects.

    So far I am taking down the website in 24 hours. Stay tuned for further notice, our lawyers will start working on that soon.

    From my company name and myself we are very sorry for other content creators and web developers, using assets our team made possible to extract and compile, the data they used to represent, which shows how that exact company is carrying for you (tldr they don’t).

    I, personally, as a solo developer and owner of honeyhunterworld.com ask you to share that post, calling MHY to publicity.

    I just saved site as a offline file for time being if its get taken down forever (not everything, just characters).
    Don't sweat the details!!!

  10. #7590
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    >switches to zhongli after using eulas q

    He's ulting and switching to build resolve, empty their energy, and test her energy recharge.

    Come on, you cannot be that stupid to not understand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Honey Impact being taken down.

    Fucking hell Mihoyo.
    There will be a replacement.

  11. #7591
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    There will be a replacement.
    I've seen people leak stuff via Twitter. They might be able to convince Twitter to ban anyone who does leak stuff, but people can just keep making new accounts and they obviously can't take down all of Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Big fat doubt. First of all, they aren't in any corner whatsoever.
    There is nothing difficult in adding more weapon types.
    A gun, fists, sword&shield and whatever comes to mind. You can perfectly explain why they are currently not used as much as well and why you haven't encountered anyone using them. At least for the gun and fist weapons. But we know Sword&Shield users as well. Stanley for example.
    It's just animation and attackspeed/modifier variation.

    Compared to double-element and the change to teambuilding and the whole "meta" and resonance thing etc....
    New weapons are new animations and skins, designing them to be unique and not take away from the current weapons, and adding several of them in one batch

    A dual element character is just the same as any other new character. All new characters require changes to your team building and "meta". The only "difficult" thing would be resonance and that's just a balance thing.

    If she really is a dual element character its telling that they would rather implement a 2 element character over introducing a new weapon type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    If she really is a dual element character its telling that they would rather implement a 2 element character over introducing a new weapon type.
    Yeah, but not necessarily because more weapons are more difficult to implement. There are many reasons why they'd want to introduce a dual element character.

    As for skins, animations etc.

    All of that has to be done anyway, because literally all 5* characters have unique attack animations, even if they are from the same weapon class.
    Probably the same for 4* characters as well.
    Same thing with weapon skins and all that.

    On top of that, we have Fatui gun users and fist weapon users.
    Even staffs are there.
    Last edited by KrayZ33; 2021-09-10 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    If she really is a dual element character its telling that they would rather implement a 2 element character over introducing a new weapon type.
    I don't understand all the doom and gloom about Yae, the leak said it's just her ult that will alternate between Electro and Pyro attacks. Doesn't mean she will count as a double element character. And that is all assuming the leak is real, and even the leaker himself says he put some fake ones in there. This one sounds so dumb I'll believe it only when I see leaked gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post


    As far as we know visions don't break so there are tons of masterless visions as when a vision user dies they deactivate. People even trade/sell masterless visions in hopes of getting their own vision or to make money of people who want one.

    I think it would probably be like Childe where you "switch stances".
    Though, in game lore, we haven't seen any and the one Kazuha had was the first mention. Even all of the people at the tournament seemed to view it as an exceedingly rare and valuable item. I see a lot of lore behind no one just naturally having two.

    I do think they will add more elements or weapons at some point. There are tons of ways to expand upon and elemental reaction based game. More weapons being the easiest and quickest choice since the weapons don't seem to vary greatly gameplay wise themselves.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    I honestly don't even understand why Mihoyo is making such a big deal out of the leak stuff. It doesn't really affect them. It hasn't stopped the whales from just c6ing every character banner and r5 weapon, even when they knew what future characters / weapons were coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpink View Post
    I honestly don't even understand why Mihoyo is making such a big deal out of the leak stuff. It doesn't really affect them. It hasn't stopped the whales from just c6ing every character banner and r5 weapon, even when they knew what future characters / weapons were coming.
    Because they're hoping to trick more people into FOMO. They don't need to prod the whales any more than currently, but they do have a lot of revenue to gain by keeping the average low spender in the dark about upcoming banner. Imagine spending all your primos on Raiden and then surprise, there's a Ganyu rerun that you didn't know about right after. More people might be willing to spend then, instead of planning accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Yeah, but not necessarily because more weapons are more difficult to implement. There are many reasons why they'd want to introduce a dual element character.

    As for skins, animations etc.

    All of that has to be done anyway, because literally all 5* characters have unique attack animations, even if they are from the same weapon class.
    Probably the same for 4* characters as well.
    Same thing with weapon skins and all that.

    On top of that, we have Fatui gun users and fist weapon users.
    Even staffs are there.
    But new weapon types require new characters also. I really wanna see a big buff anemo boxer looking fist weapon user but clearly they like to save time and make k-pop teen sized males. I really hope we do eventually get new weapons and more unique looking characters but I'm pessimistic about that. Would also be cool to get an adepti/demigod in its actual animal/beast form only thing they would really have to worry about is climbing and since you can swap chars so easily I don't really see that as a problem.

    I see only two ways they can successfully add a new weapon type, either having by having a character banner with 3-4+ new weapon type users and a weapon banner that is mostly filled with that new weapon, or creating a single new X user and a epic weapon for them and giving them free through a quest and then just slowly adding in more characters and weapons through banners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Because they're hoping to trick more people into FOMO. They don't need to prod the whales any more than currently, but they do have a lot of revenue to gain by keeping the average low spender in the dark about upcoming banner. Imagine spending all your primos on Raiden and then surprise, there's a Ganyu rerun that you didn't know about right after. More people might be willing to spend then, instead of planning accordingly.
    People however need to realize that free to play games will re-run their stuff. As a free to play (or very low spender...i wanted that Jean costume), you got to play smart and invest into a smaller pool of characters. Or you could run 2 games and roll on another to save primogems for specific characters.

    Leaks help me to save a lot of money that i would end up wasting into shit. Or limited resorces (Childe such a waste of xp books).

    As it stands right now (if they dont change their plans) -- Kokomi --) Childe + new spear gay --- ) Ya miko ????? --- ) Ganyu rerun ---) Hu tao rerun (its 100% she is gona be on some hallowen time)
    Since Miko was not in files, we can probaly say Kokomi 21.09.2021--) Childe 11.09.2021 + new 4 star --) Hu tao (31. october) --- ) Ganyu --) Ya miko

    But yeah, this company got to much money to fast and its realy starting to get rotten.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Because they're hoping to trick more people into FOMO. They don't need to prod the whales any more than currently, but they do have a lot of revenue to gain by keeping the average low spender in the dark about upcoming banner. Imagine spending all your primos on Raiden and then surprise, there's a Ganyu rerun that you didn't know about right after. More people might be willing to spend then, instead of planning accordingly.
    Considering to what happened with Baal, it prevents them from changing stuff before release, as everyone is too stupid to realize half the changes before release.
    Their information is 1-2 weeks old and then they are suprised that Baal doesn't work with Beidou and throw a hissy fit

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