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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    True, because everyone is racist.
    Categorically false, but we've already established that y'all think racism = "not liking people".

    How about a 20 minute video of him making no sense and leaving everyone bewildered?
    Why does this argument not apply to any of Trump's equally as egregious incidents?

    My grandmother died while suffering advanced dementia and I work with a mostly geriatric pool of patients in my healthcare network. Biden doesn't have Alzheimer's, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Too much democracy is bad" contradicts "resonating with Americans".

    Again, this is just a tell for the fact you don't view Democrats as Americans but as an unfortunate second class of people that are resident in the US.
    When you are a country comprised of individual states, too much consolidated Democracy is bad, yes.

    How is that so hard to understand?

    I love lefties. They are the essential "Justice" yin to the "Liberty" yang in America. We can't have a country without left leaning folks. Not sure where you came up with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Desalination requires power, a lot of it. Oh hey, most power is either generated in rural areas, is transported through rural areas, or uses resources from rural areas.
    Because the rural areas happen to be convenient.

    It would be difficult, yes, but the point is that this is not the 1860s and there's not even a remote parity between the two. So saying "let's split up the country" as if it's two roughly equivalent groups parting ways and not a situation of a deadbeat husband being asked to act responsibly around the house and threatening to file for divorce because they'd rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Categorically false, but we've already established that y'all think racism = "not liking people".



    Why does this argument not apply to any of Trump's equally as egregious incidents?

    My grandmother died while suffering advanced dementia and I work with a mostly geriatric pool of patients in my healthcare network. Biden doesn't have Alzheimer's, lol.
    That's awful about your grandmother. I can't even imagine.

    I suppose I, out of ignorance, picked a poor choice of words as (and I'm sure this is obvious to you) I am not a doctor.

    Even still, to an untrained eye, Biden appears to be having some very clear signs of mental deterioration going on.

    Truthfully, the Democrats should have just let Bernie take the nomination.

    While apparently nobody seems to agree with me, I am convinced he'd have beaten Trump. I think Biden's weakness is enthusiasm which Bernie had in spades.

    Anywho, I suppose that's history at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    When you are a country comprised of individual states, too much consolidated Democracy is bad, yes.

    How is that so hard to understand?
    I dunno I just seem to actually remember the Confederacy lost, so there's not really a reason to keep up with the pretense of "states rights" as a legal fig leaf for slavery these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    That's awful about your grandmother. I can't even imagine.

    I suppose I, out of ignorance, picked a poor choice of words as (and I'm sure this is obvious to you) I am not a doctor.

    Even still, to an untrained eye, Biden appears to be having some very clear signs of mental deterioration going on.
    Maybe said eyes should stop throwing out opinions as if they are facts issued by trained eyes, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Says the guy defending Trump? I mean he literally thinks there were airports during the Revolutionary fucking War of all things. That is over 100 years before the first airplane LOL.
    I'm not here to defend the plethora of stupid shit he says. I can't. I won't.

    My point is that there is a big difference between being "not the most intelligent" and suffering an obvious cognitive decline.

    Look, partisanship aside, I think many people have taken notice of this.

    For what it's worth, I hope this is all a fluke and Biden holds a steady display at the debate. I don't want to imagine a version of America where he has an absolute "crash and burn" moment on stage mentally and still wins the presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    I'm not here to defend the plethora of stupid shit he says. I can't. I won't.

    My point is that there is a big difference between being "not the most intelligent" and suffering an obvious cognitive decline.
    Said difference being that because the latter is an explicit disqualification for office rather than a vague one, it gets assumed as the explanation because you happen to dislike the person in question since it is a convenient way for you to try and rationalise not voting for a Democrat at any cost.

    This is just an admission of bias, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    I dunno I just seem to actually remember the Confederacy lost, so there's not really a reason to keep up with the pretense of "states rights" as a legal fig leaf for slavery these days?

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    Maybe said eyes should stop throwing out opinions as if they are facts issued by trained eyes, then?
    Like I said, at some point, trained or untrained, a continuous string of coincidences stop being coincidences and start being a pattern.

    Look, I'm a software engineer. I don't pretend to be a doctor or play one on television.

    But, if it's not cognitive decline (whether from just age or something more acute), then what would you expect it to be?

    There is a clear difference in Trump just stating nonsense and Biden having slurred speech and incoherent thoughts at times.

    No? Like, that is an honest question, do you not have an opinion on that at all?

    You seem intelligent. I'd imagine you have a take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Said difference being that because the latter is an explicit disqualification for office rather than a vague one, it gets assumed as the explanation because you happen to dislike the person in question since it is a convenient way for you to try and rationalise not voting for a Democrat at any cost.

    This is just an admission of bias, lol.
    Well, hang on a second. I never said I'd never vote for a Democrat.

    I would have voted for Andrew Yang (even being against UBI) and I'd have happily marched my ass down to the public voting station and cast my vote for Tulsi Gabbard.

    Let's not assume we know everything about each other

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    Stop letting it derail the thread, ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    So I guess it just took 30 years for the entirety of the South to get the super secret racist fan club message that they were now going to be Republican.

    This is silly. Just stop.
    Nope, the Southern Strategy is a thing, whether you are willing to admit it, or not. The GOP is the party of white supremacy, with dudes like Stephen Miller in the White House.

    Or, shall we show you the Proud Boys, and their love of Trump, as well?

    How about the Patriot Prayer fuckwads?

    How about the Boogaloo Bois dipshit squad?

    Why do you support white supremacists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    Like I said, at some point, trained or untrained, a continuous string of coincidences stop being coincidences and start being a pattern.
    The term for this is conspiracy theory.

    Look, I'm a software engineer. I don't pretend to be a doctor or play one on television.
    But feel perfectly comfortable tossing out claims of serious illness as "obvious" when, no, it's not obvious - it's uneducated people seeing what they want to see.

    But, if it's not cognitive decline (whether from just age or something more acute), then what would you expect it to be?
    The cognitive decline expected of someone of Joe Biden's age (which would also apply to Trump, who is in objectively much worse health), combined with the fact he's overcome a speaking disorder.

    And he's just the kind of person who puts his foot in his mouth.

    Y'all just think these traits add up to something sinister because you've been told not to like the guy, lol.

    There is a clear difference in Trump just stating nonsense and Biden having slurred speech and incoherent thoughts at times.
    Yes, the difference is your perception.

    You're trying to generalise that as if it's widely accepted fact and not the result y'all spend too much time on Facebook.
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    Stop letting it derail the thread, ignore it.
    This. This. This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    Well, hang on a second. I never said I'd never vote for a Democrat.

    I would have voted for Andrew Yang (even being against UBI) and I'd have happily marched my ass down to the public voting station and cast my vote for Tulsi Gabbard.

    Let's not assume we know everything about each other
    Oh, a Gabbard stan. Figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Stop letting it derail the thread, ignore it.
    I mean what is there really left to discuss?

    Serena Joy's probably gonna get put on the court and we won't know the long term effects until after the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Stop letting it derail the thread, ignore it.
    Well, my take on Amy Coney Barrett is simple: it's unfortunate for Democrats but it happens.

    I would both hope and expect them to be absolutely ruthless when it plays out the same way in the future.

    Packing the court, on the other hand, is not really a great call no matter the side.

    If the Republicans end up losing an election, they deserve whatever comes their way. Honestly. I'm kind of a hardcore guy like that though.

    Historically, this is not even remotely out of the normal though. When the president and senate share parties, it almost always happens. When they don't, it doesn't.

    I think Republicans making that big stupid grand stand statement was dumb because, at the end of the day, they didn't need to. All it did, if anything, is kick the can down the road and force them to eat a massive piece of pie when the shoe did indeed end up on the other foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Oh, a Gabbard stan. Figures.

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    I mean what is there really left to discuss?

    Serena Joy's probably gonna get put on the court and we won't know the long term effects until after the election.
    Awww, come on now. She wasn't that bad.

    She'd have made a pretty solid first female president.

    And, as an added plus, I really liked the fact that she seemed to resonate that "honorable" persona about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    You don't have to get embarrassed just because you forgot desalination existed for a second there.



    Which they'll enforce with...what money, exactly?



    Yes, but this would not actually make them any richer as every banana and cocoa republic from here to Timor-Leste proves.

    "If you wont let us destroy the natural environment then we'll just secede and become cotton/lumber republics" isn't really a compelling threat. Lol.
    You would need 14 of the largest plants in the world just to replace the Colorado River, which would require about 10 Palo Verde nuclear plans to power.

    I don't know, the money that any legitimate country has? Gold perhaps? (Depends on who gets Fort Knox.)

    There is a difference between richer and rich enough.

    Yes, we already established you have no concerns with the environment so long as it is destroyed elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The term for this is conspiracy theory.



    But feel perfectly comfortable tossing out claims of serious illness as "obvious" when, no, it's not obvious - it's uneducated people seeing what they want to see.



    The cognitive decline expected of someone of Joe Biden's age (which would also apply to Trump, who is in objectively much worse health), combined with the fact he's overcome a speaking disorder.

    And he's just the kind of person who puts his foot in his mouth.

    Y'all just think these traits add up to something sinister because you've been told not to like the guy, lol.



    Yes, the difference is your perception.

    You're trying to generalise that as if it's widely accepted fact and not the result y'all spend too much time on Facebook.
    I mean I have noticed what appears to be a pretty obvious kind of cognitive issue. I'm not an expert.

    I have always felt like the debates held so much weight for this reason so, I suppose, we may know on Wednesday whether or not you were right and it was all overblown or not.

    But, one way or another, I feel like we should know a lot more come Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seashell86 View Post
    Carter sweeping in the mid 70s and Clinton sweeping in the early 90s proves my point. And, that's of course, among a myriad of other victories.
    1) Clinton didn't exactly "sweep" the South. And he and Gore were both Southerners
    2) Carter won after the national shame that was Nixon's criminality, and he himself was...also a Southerner
    3) I noticed you dropped the 60's this time around; perhaps you remembered that 5/6 of the states the GOP won in 1964 were in the Deep South? And that Democrats didn't win any Southern states in 1968- George Wallace did?

    Maybe you can explain yourself why the block of states that used to be reliably Democratic is now reliably Republican?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Because the rural areas happen to be convenient.

    It would be difficult, yes, but the point is that this is not the 1860s and there's not even a remote parity between the two. So saying "let's split up the country" as if it's two roughly equivalent groups parting ways and not a situation of a deadbeat husband being asked to act responsibly around the house and threatening to file for divorce because they'd rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
    Because rural areas happen to have the space so you do not have to deal with it in the cities.

    If you are so convinced your view is right, you should be pushing for the country to split harder than I am am, as it would help your side more. The only reason I can see that you don't, is you want control. You want to force everyone to adhere to your utopian vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I know some want the court extended enough to give dems the advantage, but honestly I wouldn't feel good about that. Assuming Barrett gets the seat, to me that makes one of the last three appointments bogus.

    While Kennedy retiring and the circumstances of his son etc... is sketchy, I'm not aware of any evidence that proves something fucked up happened.

    If you remove republican hypocrisy, that means either Gorsuch or Barrett is an invalid appointment. Either it's okay to appoint a judge in an election year or it isn't. Either way, republicans should lose a seat.

    I'd support expanding the court to 11 seats and conservatives keeping a one seat advantage, which is what they should have. Not only would I like to see term limits, but each new president (from an election) should also get to replace the longest sitting judge.
    I'm leaning more towards this proposal. Only expand the courts so that judges can be effectively rotated out, min one per presidential term, while allowing them to serve long (20-25 years) but limited terms.

    Expanding the courts so that once party can gain an advantage or the over, or even if they swap power, is a recipe for disaster. For one we shouldn't be worried about parties when discussing SCOTUS. Ideology is one thing, partisan politics have no place on the bench. The discussion should never be how many Dems vs Republicans are on the bench. It's liberal vs conservative judges. The parties shift, flop, come, go, have their own agendas independent of the federal government. There will always be people who lean left or right.

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