Lorekeeper lore Q&A steve danuser

[Aucald]

But if dying in SL makes you super dead, what would happen if living draka went to SL and killed SL draka? Would it cause Draka reset?

A Draka paradox, which opens a metacosmic black hole that would eventually consume the entirety of the Warcraft metacosm leaving only a scintilla which may or may not spark an entirely new universe.

Realistically, I have no clue. Although if individual strands join the composite entity reflexively then I would suppose a "new" Draka journeying into the Shadowlands would never be afforded the chance to kill the composite entity before joining it. Another example of a plot hole would be an irredeemably evil Draka from some other continuity were to merge with the existing Draka in Maldraxxus, thus changing her alignment slightly or something. Although I suppose the Arbiter is capable of discerning if that is possible during the initial judgment.

[tommyhil622]

But if dying in SL makes you super dead, what would happen if living draka went to SL and killed SL draka? Would it cause Draka reset?

Judging by his answer, he says that time is no connected to death so all the Draka's will live out their mortal lives and each version of Draka that dies will cease to exist upon death.

[Feanoro]

But if dying in SL makes you super dead, what would happen if living draka went to SL and killed SL draka? Would it cause Draka reset?

Whatever Danuser feels like pulling out of his ass at the time, grinning like a baboon at his own "cleverness". Like the idiotic "rope" answer.

[Sorshen]

Maybe being super dead is just the next step in cosmic ladder of milking soul energy! The Pantheon of Death being extra sketchy withholding this information, find out the truth in patch 12.0.1!

[Nize]

If your story isn't completely about time/reality travel, it's god damned suicide to introduce time/reality travel.

I was just talking to a friend about this. Time travel only works when time travel is the centerpiece of the story.

[Soon-TM]

But if dying in SL makes you super dead, what would happen if living draka went to SL and killed SL draka? Would it cause Draka reset?

You'd get a blue screen of death

In all seriousness, this is the same "one single Legion across infinite timelines" BS, you'd think Dansylvanasuser would think twice before making such a blunder AGAIN. But who am I fooling, we are discussing the same guy who said that Garrosh 2.0 in BfA was more "nuanced" roflmao.

[Varitok]

It just reminds me of Futurama https://comb.io/J6ZoC5

[karumayu]

The thread and rope answer is only going to result in more lore headaches if they do not elaborate it well or if it just a at the moment answer Danuser cooked up.

Only scenario that I can think this would work, would be if the characters we meet in shadowlands are still threads. Garosh, whom we possibly meet at Revenderth, is the thread that was filled with pride. When cleansed that thread will join the "Rope" as it moves on. Where that Rope might be, I do not know.

[Arrashi]

You know lads it got me thinking - if shadowlands characters are amalgamates of all AU versions, then shouldn't we meet shadowlands version of jaina, tyrande and baine (and many others) because of end times?

[Maljinwo]

You know lads it got me thinking - if shadowlands characters are amalgamates of all AU versions, then shouldn't we meet shadowlands version of jaina, tyrande and baine (and many others) because of end times?

Well yes, but actually. No

Shadowlands was a bad idea

[Aucald]

You know lads it got me thinking - if shadowlands characters are amalgamates of all AU versions, then shouldn't we meet shadowlands version of jaina, tyrande and baine (and many others) because of end times?

Depends on what the End Time actually was, really. If it was an aberrant and now aborted timeway that never came to pass, possibly not - or at least not to a degree that would matter. If it was a stable and still extant timeway then presumably yes, at least to some degree. Of course the Jaina, Tyrande, and Baine we encountered in the End Time instances were themselves spirits, trapped in the timeway, so perhaps they never made or make it to the Shadowlands proper.

[Arrashi]

Depends on what the End Time actually was, really. If it was an aberrant and now aborted timeway that never came to pass, possibly not - or at least not to a degree that would matter. If it was a stable and still extant timeway then presumably yes, at least to some degree. Of course the Jaina, Tyrande, and Baine we encountered in the End Time instances were themselves spirits, trapped in the timeway, so perhaps they never made or make it to the Shadowlands proper.

I would assume that he is showing us future of AU, so as far as we are concerned End times did happen, just not in our timeline. As for spirits maybe they got sliced like uther who had part of his spirit in SL, in frostmourne, in plaguelands and in mudmugs basement (citation needed).

[Combatbutler]

Depends on what the End Time actually was, really. If it was an aberrant and now aborted timeway that never came to pass, possibly not - or at least not to a degree that would matter. If it was a stable and still extant timeway then presumably yes, at least to some degree. Of course the Jaina, Tyrande, and Baine we encountered in the End Time instances were themselves spirits, trapped in the timeway, so perhaps they never made or make it to the Shadowlands proper.

There are other examples, like in the one in which Jaina drowned Orgrimmar and the horde went absolutely ballistic.

[Aucald]

I would assume that he is showing us future of AU, so as far as we are concerned End times did happen, just not in our timeline. As for spirits maybe they got sliced like uther who had part of his spirit in SL, in frostmourne, in plaguelands and in mudmugs basement (citation needed).

Impossible to say, really. Arthas was dead and Frostmourne shattered by the time the End Time came about in this timeway, so if they were somehow split it would have to be by some other thing with that ability.

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There are other examples, like in the one in which Jaina drowned Orgrimmar and the horde went absolutely ballistic.

There are endless ones, pretty much every possible quantum occurrence that could occur in a "Many Worlds" type construction. But it's unsure if the timeways viewable in the Vision of Time are concrete or just projections, so to speak, no more real than the echoes summoned by Confessor Paletress.

[Feanoro]

There are other examples, like in the one in which Jaina drowned Orgrimmar and the horde went absolutely ballistic.

Which made about as much sense as "Without its master, the Scourge would be an even greater threat".

[TheFirstOnes]

Basically he's saying that in time (over veritable eons in the timeless eternity of Death), all those strands will eventually coalesce or combine into a composite entity that is greater than any of the individuals that combined into it. So eventually AU Draka will join the composite being of Draka in Death, as well any other strands of her that exist in the multiverse. It also opens the door that the Draka we encounter in Maldraxxus is not herself *just* MU Draka who died when Thrall was an infant, she could conceivably be the composite of a few different Drakas from other continuities.

So, basically, all alternative versions of 1 self will become a composite being in the Shadowlands? That's...actually kinda OP, ngl. It'd be like if every alternate Goku became 1 in Otherworld, therefore making him a Composite Goku. That's insane. Almost like the Thought Robot in DC, as well.

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That also seems to tell me that the Shadowlands and its inhabitants transcend all realities, just like the Nether. Or any other Cosmic plane, apparently.

[Eggroll]

But where the hell is Varian???

[TheFirstOnes]

But where the hell is Varian???

Well, you see...

The Legion likes to do this thing called "Fueling Souls for their machines". They also like to do this thing called "destroying souls". One of these 2 things probably happened to Varian, unfortunately. That is, unless his demi-god amps with Goldrinn gave him access to Ardenweald.

[Lady Atia]

But where the hell is Varian???

[Giannis-GR]

Guys, unless I’m making a terrible mistake, what Danuser said is complete BS for multiple reasons.

The thing is, AUs are pocket dimensions, e.g. the WoD case...they aren’t just part of a natural occurring multiverse...

Because if we accept a Multiple Universes theory, i.e. many “Great Beyonds”, many “Realities” existing.. in parallel with ours..then why would there be infinite Drakas in that case?

The other “Great Beyonds” would all start blank.. like ours did.

Each race would again evolve.. there would be different couples, different babies (based on which “sperm won”).. different people will die in each war so that the lineage of a family would end...

I hope you get my point. For example, if there was a parallel universe to ours IRL.. it may not even have an earth, let alone each and every one of us.

I know that you can come up with “infinite multiverses” which in the end would lead after millions of years to the same events. But IMO this is still impossible and a lazy explanation.

AUs are different. They are pocket dimensions based on time/dragon magic... But these are not “infinite”..

So there are not even “infinite Drakas”.. it’s just one Draka plus the AU one which could have ceased to exist (based on chronicles)...

I think they invented a bad solution for a problem that doesn’t exist.

There aren’t infinite Drakas, or Thralls, or Anduins.