World of Warcraft is not a game

[tamarin]

By that logic, there is very few things that count as games. God of war? witcher? mass effect? diablo? fallout? deus ex? not games, too easy, cutscene chasers, no reaction time, or hand eye coordination needed. Fortnite? Hand eye coordination, reaction time! Game!

Probably a troll post though, since that opinion is so bewilderingly without merit that it cant be serious. In case its not, just quit then, there's probably a handfull of real games for you to play out there.

a lot of games are garbage, yeah. but wow, if you exclude pvp, really doesn't have anything worth experiencing.

i mean yeah on a forum like mmo-champ you'll find mostly people who enjoy it, but it's an echo chamber. that's the magic of the internet, whatever you like, no matter how terrible, you'll always find a bunch of like minded people somewhere

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This is what you said. You said;

Games = entertaining.
Trivial activities ≠ entertaining.

We have explained to you that many "trivial activities" are entertaining to many people - watching sport, sitting on the beach having a beer, fishing, listening to music - the list could go on endlessly, as its entirely subjective. But your claim that trivial activities cannot be entertaining is the core of your argument, and has been entirely disproved.

You can try and be all high and mighty as much as you want, it doesnt bother me in the slightest, especially when you are attempting to argue something so pathetic and simplistic.

Now, if your argument was "i personally enjoy games that challenge me, and thus I dont enjoy simple games that dont offer that" then you would be having an honest and open discussion.

i said "activity" instead of game in the second sentence, it was just a lapsus. my bad. doesn't really change my point

[Nnyco]

You already made a big misstake in the first two sentences. Games are not always ment to be challenging to be fun, ergo your entire wall of text beneath that is pointless.

[tamarin]

MMOs are meant to be grinds.

no they aren't

[Nite92]

You mean like the logical fallacy that games need to be hard to be games?

Maybe its not other people but yourself that's the problem. Maybe try not going on forums?

First off, I am with you that easy games, or games that have easy and hard parts are the games i like most. But tbf, your example was a quite obvious false dichotomy. You don't have either candy crush or Dark Souls like difficulty levels.

[arkanon]

First off, I am with you that easy games, or games that have easy and hard parts are the games i like most. But tbf, your example was a quite obvious false dichotomy. You don't have either candy crush or Dark Souls like difficulty levels.

It was in response to someone claiming that if it isnt challenging, it literally isnt a game.

[Nite92]

no they aren't

Well that is your opinion. Which MMORPGs did not rely on grindy systems (which were atleast a bit successful)?

[Aucald]

"I Quit/WoW is Dead" type threads don't tend to produce much in the way of constructive discussion or debate. Closing this.