Why are you allowed to cheat during raid testing?

[Gaidax]

Who cares about that crap, they test fight mechanically and even with all these sockets you're not exactly that much more powerful than what we will be anyway first tier in the end.

[ShiyoKozuki]

Amazing that people still dont understand what "testing" means

Exploiting a beta only ilvl scaling aura isn't "testing" - it's blatantly cheating. Kinda weird nearly every chinese parse is full of cheaters and it's not as rampant for non-chinese, though.

[Sharpbladez]

Exploiting a beta only ilvl scaling aura isn't "testing" - it's blatantly cheating. Kinda weird nearly every chinese parse is full of cheaters and it's not as rampant for non-chinese, though.

Finding bugs/exploits on a TESTING server is the point of testing, so those things can be FIXED before they hit live servers. Youre supposed to try to break the game so things can be reported and fixed. I have no clue what you think a testing server is for.

[munkeyinorbit]

Blizzard isn’t also looking at you and what you’re doing so to speak but more that the raid is behaving as intended mechanically. The gear isn’t anything important but breaking out of the hit range and surging if things you shouldn’t and also making sure the boss does the right mechanics in the right areas those are what the testing is more looking at

Also helps.when you are overgeared to see what might happen if a mechanic could be skipped. This is important too. Remember what happened on NZoth?

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People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

Just a reminder. Killing a boss in the test server doesn't give you any points in the world first race.

[glowpipe]

This. Its not like raids scale on live so it wouldnt be an issue anyway but its BETA testing why are you making a big deal about it OP?

the issue here might be that raids get tuned to high if they use op gear and blizzard see that it is tune too low, but on live we don't have that op gear and tuning will a bit off. Doubt it happens, but you never know with blizzard

[munkeyinorbit]

Exploiting a beta only ilvl scaling aura isn't "testing" - it's blatantly cheating. Kinda weird nearly every chinese parse is full of cheaters and it's not as rampant for non-chinese, though.

What's your message here? Is there a particular group of people based on race that cheats more than others?

Also if they are cheating why don't you report them? If it's so obvious an exploit and not testing then it should be a pretty easy ban.

[Makorus]

Public Raid Tests are not about number tuning but whether mechanics work.

The ilvl aura is on the weaker site anyway

[Gaidax]

the issue here might be that raids get tuned to high if they use op gear and blizzard see that it is tune too low, but on live we don't have that op gear and tuning will a bit off. Doubt it happens, but you never know with blizzard

There is no issue.

With Mythic testing in beta that I did, we got to bosses that literally had broken phases and were changed literally mid-testing on the fly. Damage was the least of the issues - encounters were buggy and iterated/fixed live.

[ShiyoKozuki]

https://youtu.be/cd4kT9Ag8Mo?t=394

People are taking the logs seriously even though people are literally cheating and using gear that you'll NEVER be able to use on live. This is a huge issue.

"I don't want to do half the damage of other specs"

[Krakan]

https://youtu.be/cd4kT9Ag8Mo?t=394

People are taking the logs seriously even though people are literally cheating and using gear that you'll NEVER be able to use on live. This is a huge issue.

"I don't want to do half the damage of other specs"

I think there is some confusion here... the tests are not for tuning purposes but rather to ensure the encounter functions and doing unexpected things like for example healing adds in a hallway to evade bug mobs isn't a thing.

Damage and healing numbers don't actually matter it's to see if the boss mechanics themselves work over hundreds of tries

[Magical Mudcrab]

Only if you want to get banned during raid testing.

Re-read OP. Turns out not sleeping does affect reading comprehension.

People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

The tests aren't necessarily to test damage, it's to test game boss mechanics. What players are doing isn't cheating any more than wearing MoP cloak in Timewalking is cheating.

Regarding the veracity of the parses, the problem is that overall they're roughly inline with what was seen in raid testing by mythic raid teams. Covenant abilities are doing the majority of the damage for some specs, some specs are doing half the damage of others, etc. That said, using TBC items with no secondary stats but gem slots, which allows players to determine which secondaries they want in order to work within the new diminishing return breakpoints, won't account for deltas of almost 100%, and to act as such would be horribly disingenuous. The fact is that there are horrific balancing problems in Shadowlands at the moment, and this is why you regularly see such large balance swings on some covenant abilities (such as Rogue's Bonespike covenant ability being nerfed to doing roughly 1/6th the damage), and it should be acknowledged and understood instead of taking every opportunity to try and act like everything is fine.

[Destinas]

How did so many repliers get confused about something so simple? Christ.

TBC gear won't scale up on live, this isn't about people "finding bugs to fix". The scaling only happens here.

For a real answer to the op: I assume the kind of people who beta test raids are so obsessed with numbers that even when it's in a testing environment that doesn't matter, they STILL feel like they need to min-max everything. It's pretty sad, really.

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Uh, gear won't scale on live, so your point is meaningless here. And it literally IS a practice round for the people doing it. That is why they are there. Do you really think people are raiding on beta to help test? They are there to get an edge.

Thing is, numbers and mechanics actually do change a lot in testing, so many raiding testers actually are there to, y'know, test it. It would be entirely meaningless to "get an edge" if the entire fight changes because the mechanics are broken. And, most hardcore raiders know this when testing.

But, cute attitude! I'm sure it works out real well for you.

[Hinastorm]

Thing is, numbers and mechanics actually do change a lot in testing, so many raiding testers actually are there to, y'know, test it. It would be entirely meaningless to "get an edge" if the entire fight changes because the mechanics are broken. And, most hardcore raiders know this when testing.

But, cute attitude! I'm sure it works out real well for you.

"Thing is, numbers and mechanics actually do change a lot in testing"

Ok, but BC items scaling up is not a relevant thing to test. It was never going to be a thing.

What are you trying to say, lol.

[Elbob]

I think its important to note that blizzard doesnt do raid testing for the player's sake. Its for blizzard to know the bosses are functioning properly, abilities are doing intended damage and interacting properly with one another. Allowing the testers access to overpowered gear options will allow more tests to reach the later phases on the boss. These OP scaled gear options also help overcome any overtuned boss mechanics that otherwise might not be working as intended. There will be plenty of grps testing every boss with limited to no old scaled gear inflating the success of the raid, so its not like blizz is only getting inflated data.

So these "cheaters" are really helping blizzard release a more balanced and functional raid. Its actually super beneficial for both us(the players) and blizzard to have the system functioning like this.

[SkagenRora]

People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

So you are saying that you do not want the testers to expose all cheats & Bugs in the client?

[Hinastorm]

So you are saying that you do not want the testers to expose all cheats & Bugs in the client?

Again, for the 300th time, there is item scaling on the beta for testing purposes.

There will not be, and there never was going to be, item scaling for live Nathria.

This is not about "testing bugs".

[Liarparadox]

Amazing that people still dont understand what "testing" means

Yeah it makes me wonder if this is a troll or not.

[SkagenRora]

Again, for the 300th time, there is item scaling on the beta for testing purposes.

There will not be, and there never was going to be, item scaling for live Nathria.

This is not about "testing bugs".

Betas are usally for testing bugs tho, why would this one not be?

[Hinastorm]

Betas are usally for testing bugs tho, why would this one not be?

Just gonna assume you're trolling at this point.

[ShiyoKozuki]

Just gonna assume you're trolling at this point.

It's weird how many people don't understand that these people are not testing something that'll be in the live version of the game. Their first language must not be english.