Why are you allowed to cheat during raid testing?

[aceperson]

i mean it IS called raid TESTING. the fact people thought of using tbc items with sockets and actually got a power boost from it provides feedback in two ways. first, they can experience more of the fight to find more bugs. 2nd, tbc items and possibly other legacy items need some kind of fix to prevent this from happening on live.

you see cheating, i see valuable test data.

[Adoxe]

You said it yourself - because it's testing. Imagine no one doing this shit on the beta/PTR and then it happening on live where it actually matters. C'mon now, you didn't need a thread to figure this out.

[Hinastorm]

It's weird how many people don't understand that these people are not testing something that'll be in the live version of the game. Their first language must not be english.

Yep, another 2 replies above me completely misunderstanding.

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You said it yourself - because it's testing. Imagine no one doing this shit on the beta/PTR and then it happening on live where it actually matters. C'mon now, you didn't need a thread to figure this out.

Read the op again. You've completely misunderstood the situation. Your last sentence makes it all the more ironic.

I'll spell it out to save a back and forth: The op was talking about BC items scaling on beta. Raid testing in beta utilizes item scaling, so that everyone is the same ilv, for testing purposes.

Item scaling was never going to be a thing on live, there is no "bug" here that is relevant to live. Testers using 3 socket items that scale up could skew data on the raids, depending on how widespread it is. That was the point.

[OokOok]

Well, it is called raid testing. They are doing something that is broken in testing so that Blizz will catch it and make sure it doesn't make it into the final product! Would rather have them do it here and make it visible than in the base game.

.....not very smart r u

"Raid testing scales your ilvl up" what they're doing can't be done on live servers lol....

People are missing the point, players using methods to test raids that won't be possible come live servers(like gear scaling low level gear from previous tiers) has the potential to cause blizzard to over tune or under tune fights based on performance of those testing. But this is Blizzard fault, no one elses.

[Malania]

Few reasons. Mainly so it doesn't matter the gear you have its all appropriate ilvl. It won't go live like that, it's for testing purposes so you can test mechanics. Cheesing it with extra slots is just a beta thing someone has come up with. Clever use of mechanics yada yada...

[Baneto]

People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

"Raid Testing" now read that last word over a few times, and reflect on its meaning.

As many have already stated in the thread, the players are supposed to test different things to give Blizzard data.
If it doesnt "make it in live" it is simply because of this reason, players have tested it out and Blizzard has reacted to that data.

It has nothing to do with cheating, lol.

[Aggrophobic]

People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

"Cheat"? Trying out at maxed or optimized gear levels is not cheating.
It is just testing after all and both classes and encounters need to work no matter the gear levels.

Classes are broken by the way and it gets even worse when you get better gear. I do mean BROKEN.

[SkagenRora]

It's weird how many people don't understand that these people are not testing something that'll be in the live version of the game. Their first language must not be english.

If it's not a cheat or a bug, then they are probably just testing it "Just because" and.. what you describe just sounds like something funny.

I mean, why would you not want to see how brokenly OP you can be?

[Yorimar]

While all of the above is true and it is mostly for the mechanical side of things, why not create an eviorment where u have comparable gear like it will be on live. So why not use that information besides the mechanical testing to use the information for some tuning adjustments. This would make the tuning hammer after hc week maybe a little lighter.

because like you said; its mostly mechanical. youre testing if the boss works, not the tuning of said boss

[Eapoe]

1). It’s not cheating if it’s allowed.
2). Inflated gear like this allows players to go in with, possibly, more power than would be in game at this point. That allows programmers to see how underpowered/overpowered boss encounters are. It also allows them to survive and deal with multiple mechanics which also shows how under/over tuned they are.
3). Goes with 2, but other than seeing how over/under powered something is, it also allows players to see bugs. If you can live longer or do more damage, you have more opportunity to see potential bugs due to (a) the fight lasting longer, or (b) seeing bugs from pushing the boss faster than intended.
4). It’s fun. Testers can go in and have fun while looking for bugs and testing tuning on boss encounters.
5). Get over yourself and let other people enjoy the game. If Blizzard has a problem with it then they will address it.

[ShiyoKozuki]

1). It’s not cheating if it’s allowed.
2). Inflated gear like this allows players to go in with, possibly, more power than would be in game at this point. That allows programmers to see how underpowered/overpowered boss encounters are. It also allows them to survive and deal with multiple mechanics which also shows how under/over tuned they are.
3). Goes with 2, but other than seeing how over/under powered something is, it also allows players to see bugs. If you can live longer or do more damage, you have more opportunity to see potential bugs due to (a) the fight lasting longer, or (b) seeing bugs from pushing the boss faster than intended.
4). It’s fun. Testers can go in and have fun while looking for bugs and testing tuning on boss encounters.
5). Get over yourself and let other people enjoy the game. If Blizzard has a problem with it then they will address it.

Youtubers/streamers are literally using AND referencing beta raid logs damage for balance complaints. People cheating with set bonuses and gem slots they will NEVER have on live is already causing issues.

[Eapoe]

Youtubers/streamers are literally using AND referencing beta raid logs damage for balance complaints. People cheating with set bonuses and gem slots they will NEVER have on live is already causing issues.

Yes, and they have a valid right to do so.
Again, if a character is OP thru means that aren’t going to be obtainable and it trivializes a fight into non existence then it should be tuned around that. If a fight is tuned so hard that players can’t beat it while OP then that also needs addressed.
I’m also pretty sure that Blizzard can easily tell what people are/aren’t using during the raid tests and know which tuning issues should be addressed around that.

Also, as previously stated, this isn’t cheating. Figure out a new buzz word for your cause.

[Baconeggcheese]

Youtubers/streamers are literally using AND referencing beta raid logs damage for balance complaints. People cheating with set bonuses and gem slots they will NEVER have on live is already causing issues.

Obviously who your sources are matter when saying this. Someone like Preach for instance who just put out a video referencing raid logs knows better and likely has a guild full of people who aren't cheesing the raid when they do the testing. Preach very intentionally doesn't cheese during his testing and is constantly checking other players they run with to see if they're cheesing or not when they see these discrepancies.

Its also always better for fights to be over tuned than under tuned as its infinitely easier for blizzard to nerf fights than it is to touch anything that is under tuned and people are already killing.

None of this cheese stuff is new either, it always happens in one form or another during betas and its never been a huge issue. the SL specific systems like covenants and overall balance is the current issue with the discrepancies.

[TheLucky1]

For every post like this my ability to take this community seriously erodes more and more.
(Also that i will eat a infraction for a tiny meme picture in such a topic doesn't help..)

[Beefhammer]

Well, it is called raid testing. They are doing something that is broken in testing so that Blizz will catch it and make sure it doesn't make it into the final product! Would rather have them do it here and make it visible than in the base game.

Riiight. Tell that to Ensidia who found the Saronite bomb exploit on the LK fight, told no one, and used it to get a world first. Guilds constantly try to find exploits to take advantage of and never bother to report.

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Youtubers/streamers are literally using AND referencing beta raid logs damage for balance complaints. People cheating with set bonuses and gem slots they will NEVER have on live is already causing issues.

And Blizzard can parse those out to see what is real.

[Xath]

Riiight. Tell that to Ensidia who found the Saronite bomb exploit on the LK fight, told no one, and used it to get a world first. Guilds constantly try to find exploits to take advantage of and never bother to report.

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And Blizzard can parse those out to see what is real.

Yeah Ensidia didn't knowingly use an exploit for freaking normal lich king. It's called engy bombs were part of standard rogue dps rotation and nobody had no idea why the platform was rebuilding itself.

[Bloodyleech]

i mean it IS called raid TESTING. the fact people thought of using tbc items with sockets and actually got a power boost from it provides feedback in two ways. first, they can experience more of the fight to find more bugs. 2nd, tbc items and possibly other legacy items need some kind of fix to prevent this from happening on live.

you see cheating, i see valuable test data.

Your 2nd point is not valid. TBC items are scaled up because there is an ilvl upscaling, which is not used on retail, at all. Try to learn PTR/Betatesting before you say something completely invalid.

[THEORACLE64]

People are equipping TBC gear with 3 gem slots/set bonuses because raid testing scales your gear up in ilvl.

Example:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ary&source=142

Why is this allowed?

Testing being the key word. I....

[Partipooper]

So did they win the ptr with this cheat ?
Even if this was on live all they are doing is equiping gear, they arent bypassing any mechanics.
Its an easy fix anyway, remove scaling from the game..