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  1. #381
    Best news all week. What a relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Yet they mention it in the post.

    Of course it's had an impact.
    Of course, I figured the lockdown would hurt my employer, too. It hasn't. We're making money hand over fist...

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    I'm ok with this. We're now getting a less buggy game, after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by agm114r View Post
    Of course, I figured the lockdown would hurt my employer, too. It hasn't. We're making money hand over fist...
    There are other ways to be affected than just the money part. Congrats on not experiencing what so many others have in this pandemic though.

    Quote: ... while we’ve made great progress, the challenge of tuning the endgame was compounded by the team having to work from home.

  5. #385
    Delaying such an expansion release should be expected outcome and something I am glad they are willingly to do. In case people have forgotten were in the middle of a Pandemic and if I had to chose between rushing a release or delay a game I would chose delaying every time.

    We also have holidays coming up so even if its moved to 2021 so be it.
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    Tbh I think some people wouldn't mind a full on pitchfork display. Which that basically means is it would be a bad launch and bad impression of the game. They tend to say that bad news/publicity sells better than positive.

    I don't want to see an angry mob. I don't want to see World of Warcraft get butchered. Blizzard has already been fighting such bad press for a couple years now... I don't know how much more it could withhold and maybe someone else actually took that into consideration. (Warcraft 3 Reforged was not as fortunate) As I have no idea the individuals who came to this decision to delay, but I feel like it was the correct decision.

    If the teams that are working on it are saying it's not complete and any spare time would appreciated. Or they feel something is lacking. I don't think they would be lying about this. It would make them look incompetent and incredible bad PR again for the company if the expansion is a mess. So no I don't think they would try and do this intentionally. So whoever gave the ok to delay. Was really looking out for the benefit of all. Employees, Customers and the Company. So it is the correct move.

    I'm not sure how long it will be delayed for...

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Icelin View Post
    I'm not sure how long it will be delayed for...
    People are expecting huge changes, but literally in the post they talk about how they need more time to "tune the end game" I'd expect 2-5 week delay at most, specially since they're releasing the prepatch.

  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    The funniest part is the fact that people think this delay will actually make SL Godlike.

    It's gonna be unbalanced trash like always LOL.
    Aw, look at the crybaby fat fuck. Don't play then? lel

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    It is off the table. He took it off the table by saying "later this year". It will be a PR fiasco if they do not get it out this year.
    Ah yes a public relations fiasco. That stopped being a thing they worried about years ago dude. Warcraft Reforged was proof of that. Biggest shit show I’ve seen by such a respected company.

  10. #390
    The release date was forced, then there are killer releases, now it will be interesting to see the initial sales, do they still publish them?

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Delaying such an expansion release should be expected outcome and something I am glad they are willingly to do. In case people have forgotten were in the middle of a Pandemic and if I had to chose between rushing a release or delay a game I would chose delaying every time

    We also have holidays coming up so even if its moved to 2021 so be it.
    The announed a release date long after the pandemic began and while it was already established that this year is compromised and a lot of wfh will happen so they can't really call pandemic as the reason, the reason is incompetence and greed. They fucked up warcraft refunded with no pandemic.
    Now, october, november .. doesn't really matter, but can't imagine how it will be a few weeks after launch when they'll once again not get balancing right, despite delays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    They've had such bad PR this year, I don't see them wanting to take another hit when employees start complaining about their vacations being cut short or canceled.

    Plus, they're still releasing prepatch which kind of points to them thinking they won't be delaying excessively.
    Plus Mike Morhaime's company is literally down the street. I bet Blizzard is feeling the heat to try to retain their good employees.

  13. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by Icelin View Post
    Tbh I think some people wouldn't mind a full on pitchfork display. Which that basically means is it would be a bad launch and bad impression of the game. They tend to say that bad news/publicity sells better than positive.

    I don't want to see an angry mob. I don't want to see World of Warcraft get butchered. Blizzard has already been fighting such bad press for a couple years now... I don't know how much more it could withhold and maybe someone else actually took that into consideration. (Warcraft 3 Reforged was not as fortunate) As I have no idea the individuals who came to this decision to delay, but I feel like it was the correct decision.

    If the teams that are working on it are saying it's not complete and any spare time would appreciated. Or they feel something is lacking. I don't think they would be lying about this. It would make them look incompetent and incredible bad PR again for the company if the expansion is a mess. So no I don't think they would try and do this intentionally. So whoever gave the ok to delay. Was really looking out for the benefit of all. Employees, Customers and the Company. So it is the correct move.

    I'm not sure how long it will be delayed for...
    They already ahve a long history of looking incompetent. Nothing they do now is going to change that. And they weren't lopking out for anyone. All they care about is the bottom line. period.

  14. #394
    Sucks shit, I booked vacation for the release. Guess i'll try to cancel.. But that's a me problem, I'm glad they are continuing the beta.

  15. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiridon View Post
    The release date was forced, then there are killer releases, now it will be interesting to see the initial sales, do they still publish them?
    Show me link proving it was forced.

    It wasn't forced. AS for sales, a lot is made in pre-orders so now it will be interesting to see how many of those they have to refund because of their incompetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beet View Post
    Ah yes a public relations fiasco. That stopped being a thing they worried about years ago dude. Warcraft Reforged was proof of that. Biggest shit show I’ve seen by such a respected company.
    They will worry about it when it affects the bottom line. Warcdraft: Reforged is not the cash cow WoW is. If this causes them to lose money, heads will roll.

  16. #396
    Predicted this, basically, last January....

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...9#post52020709

    reading this thread is like watching Fox News deny climate change....BFA did not have the exact same message as Shadowlands..."by December 31st"...BFA's was Aug 31st...that's not naysayers making it up...that's Blizzard themselves...there is no way in hell from either a public relations perspective or a product development perspective that Blizzard would put the date at Dec 31st if they had even the remotest hope of releasing Shadowlands by Sept 31st, 2020.

    And, for those that can't count Jan 14th to Dec 31st is 14 days less than a year...so rounding up to a year when referring to a potential content draught is reasonable.

    And guess what...based on all the things Blizzard said they were going to try and implement in Shadowlands, including the reworking of the entire levelling experience, the lack of specificity regarding the reward mechanisms like AP type systems at Blizzcon and the lack of any whiff of even an F&F Alpha (and all expansions released by Aug 31st had F&F's that started in late January), if they actually manage to release Shadowlands by December 31st, 2020 there will most likely be a significant amount of planned content / system changes dropped.

    The reality is that they will most likely not meet their target if they fully implement everything they have claimed they are going to be implementing and you'll see a message from Blizzard about quality being their guiding priority and not releasing before it's ready (which they have done in the past) and concerns about releasing during the holiday season and delay the release to late January / early February.

    The above is based on both past practise, history and actual statements from Blizzard (like Dec 31, 2020).

    If you think it's coming out any sooner than next December you're an irrational fanboy with their heads stuck you know where like the climate change deniers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I didn't. I expected Blizzard telling devs to launch expac anyway, no matter how many bugs stay on release.
    Same. Ive posted all over that there was no way Activision would let Blizzard delay the release. Thanks to all the folks tagging me and making me eat my words
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  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Yea, honestly anyone who thinks they're shooting for 2021 is a bit silly, the fact that they're releasing the prepatch kind of points to only weeks to a month of delay.
    Indeed. The message says they are delaying SL to "later this year". Clearly they intend to keep it in 2020.

    There are 9 possible Mon/Tues dates left in 2020, most of which conflict to varying degrees with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's. The ultimate decision will come down to how development which is coming, and that's something I'm not privy to. However, I can look at the calendar and see possible conflicts. Based on the little I know (in no particular order within each category) -

    3 options seem really bad:
    - 11/2 and 11/9 don't seem plausible. If they were only delaying it a week or two, they'd probably have just said that now.
    - 12/29 would be a disaster. It'd mean they somehow STILL weren't ready but were being forced to release it in 2020 anyway. It'd mean SL is a trainwreck and multiple people would probably get fired. I'm just going to assume this doesn't happen because it would make me sad.

    3 options seem bad but possible:
    - 12/22 would be bad. Not a disaster like 12/29, but things would have to have gone seriously wrong for it to take this long. Raiding wouldn't start until mid-January. Release into Christmas isn't ideal for the support folks to fix the inevitable problems, but overall the conflicts aren't terrible compared to others.
    - 12/8 Ugh. Thanksgiving 2 weeks before launch and raiding starting the Tuesday before Christmas makes everyone upset, but its possible.
    - 11/23 Releasing the Tuesday before Thanksgiving means they hate their support staff, but otherwise fine.

    3 options seem potentially good:
    - 11/16 would be great. No holidays before, Thanksgiving not until the 2nd week after release, raiding would have almost 4 weeks until Christmas starts. Its the best date IF they can get SL out with just 3 additional weeks. Feels optimistic.
    - 12/15 isn't bad. No big holidays right before, its not so close to the end of the year people assume its a forced-out mess, and Christmas doesn't kick in until the 2nd week after launch. The start of raiding on 12/29 would not make the world-first folks happy.
    - 12/1 is possible. Thanksgiving the week before launch means their developers would hate them, but otherwise it works well.
    Last edited by Wrath-o-matic; 2020-10-02 at 12:24 AM.

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath-o-matic View Post
    Indeed. The message says they are delaying SL to "later this year". Clearly they intend to keep it in 2020.

    There are 9 possible Mon/Tues dates left in 2020, most of which conflict to varying degrees with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's. The ultimate decision will come down to how development which is coming, and that's something I'm not privy to. However, I can look at the calendar and see possible conflicts. Based on the little I know (in no particular order within each category) -

    3 options seem really bad:
    - 11/2 and 11/9 don't seem plausible. If they were only delaying it a week or two, they'd probably have just said that now.
    - 12/29 would be a disaster. It'd mean they somehow STILL weren't ready but were being forced to release it in 2020 anyway. It'd mean SL is a trainwreck and multiple people would probably get fired. I'm just going to assume this doesn't happen because it would make me sad.

    3 options seem bad but possible:
    - 12/22 would be bad. Not a disaster like 12/29, but things would have to have gone seriously wrong for it to take this long. Raiding wouldn't start until mid-January. Release into Christmas isn't ideal for the support folks to fix the inevitable problems, but overall the conflicts aren't terrible compared to others.
    - 12/8 Ugh. Thanksgiving 2 weeks before launch and raiding starting the Tuesday before Christmas makes everyone upset, but its possible.
    - 11/23 Releasing the Tuesday before Thanksgiving means they hate their support staff, but otherwise fine.

    3 options seem potentially good:
    - 11/16 would be great. No holidays before, Thanksgiving not until the 2nd week after release, raiding would have almost 4 weeks until Christmas starts. Its the best date IF they can get SL out with just 3 additional weeks. Feels optimistic.
    - 12/15 isn't bad. No big holidays right before, its not so close to the end of the year people assume its a forced-out mess, and Christmas doesn't kick in until the 2nd week after launch. The start of raiding on 12/29 would not make the world-first folks happy.
    - 12/1 is possible. Thanksgiving the week before launch means their developers would hate them, but otherwise it works well.
    I really think the 17th is most likely date, sure it's only an extra three weeks, but in their post they talk about how they're not really changing leveling, or the story, they are delaying to "tune endgame".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath-o-matic View Post
    Indeed. The message says they are delaying SL to "later this year". Clearly they intend to keep it in 2020.

    There are 9 possible Mon/Tues dates left in 2020, most of which conflict to varying degrees with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's. The ultimate decision will come down to how development which is coming, and that's something I'm not privy to. However, I can look at the calendar and see possible conflicts. Based on the little I know (in no particular order within each category) -

    3 options seem really bad:
    - 11/2 and 11/9 don't seem plausible. If they were only delaying it a week or two, they'd probably have just said that now.
    - 12/29 would be a disaster. It'd mean they somehow STILL weren't ready but were being forced to release it in 2020 anyway. It'd mean SL is a trainwreck and multiple people would probably get fired. I'm just going to assume this doesn't happen because it would make me sad.

    3 options seem bad but possible:
    - 12/22 would be bad. Not a disaster like 12/29, but things would have to have gone seriously wrong for it to take this long. Raiding wouldn't start until mid-January. Release into Christmas isn't ideal for the support folks to fix the inevitable problems, but overall the conflicts aren't terrible compared to others.
    - 12/8 Ugh. Thanksgiving 2 weeks before launch and raiding starting the Tuesday before Christmas makes everyone upset, but its possible.
    - 11/23 Releasing the Tuesday before Thanksgiving means they hate their support staff, but otherwise fine.

    3 options seem potentially good:
    - 11/16 would be great. No holidays before, Thanksgiving not until the 2nd week after release, raiding would have almost 4 weeks until Christmas starts. Its the best date IF they can get SL out with just 3 additional weeks. Feels optimistic.
    - 12/15 isn't bad. No big holidays right before, its not so close to the end of the year people assume its a forced-out mess, and Christmas doesn't kick in until the 2nd week after launch. The start of raiding on 12/29 would not make the world-first folks happy.
    - 12/1 is possible. Thanksgiving the week before launch means their developers would hate them, but otherwise it works well.
    11/16 is probably what they want to aim for, 12/1 is a good alternate if they can't hit 11/16.

    Those are probably the most likely dates.

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