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  1. #301
    Well, personally I also would not have any problem rescheduling my vaccation days, but obviously it is for some people.

    A simple reason for example is if your business relies heavily on the end-of-the-year period - from retail to financial insitutes for example - where it might not be so easy to get free days later in the year in the first place, even less if collegues already have a scheduled holiday.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Other people are not you. Your experiences are not universal.

    If more people understood those two simple sentences this world would be a much better place.
    He's not wrong, though. I've never worked at a job that was better than minimum wage where you couldn't cancel time off and reuse it if you wanted to. And if you're working minimum wage, you probably don't have that much time off anyway.

    See, now that's how you contribute to a thread. If more people understood that simple concept this forum would be a much better place.
    Still calling them out, one infraction at a time.

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    Every Job is different. Some require you to give notice months in advance, even more so if your position is in management.
    I get why people are annoyed. End of the day, there isn't anything anyone can do about it.
    Not happy? Cancel your Shadowlands preorder and try a new game.
    That is pretty much the limit of your recourse.
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  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringthane View Post
    He's not wrong, though. I've never worked at a job that was better than minimum wage where you couldn't cancel time off and reuse it if you wanted to. And if you're working minimum wage, you probably don't have that much time off anyway.

    See, now that's how you contribute to a thread. If more people understood that simple concept this forum would be a much better place.
    Insinuating that someone has to be at a minimum wage job to have this issue is "better"? Making it sound like they don't get paid vacation or anything?

    Good for you that you've never had that issue, I guess. There's plenty of jobs that do have such an issue though.

  5. #305
    “Take time off” could also refer to traded shifts. I am bow stuck with two 4am shifts I took instead of the two night shifts I was supposed to have on Wednesday and Thursday in the launch week, so yeah I am pissed off.
    I took a third shift off, which I applied to have cancelled, but due to the low work load due to COVID, I might not be able to get that cancelled.

  6. #306
    Dont we already have a thread about exactly this?

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Other people are not you. Your experiences are not universal.

    If more people understood those two simple sentences this world would be a much better place.
    Solved by post #2.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringthane View Post
    He's not wrong, though. I've never worked at a job that was better than minimum wage where you couldn't cancel time off and reuse it if you wanted to. And if you're working minimum wage, you probably don't have that much time off anyway.

    See, now that's how you contribute to a thread. If more people understood that simple concept this forum would be a much better place.
    If you work at basically any job that staffs to an forecasted demand level then your schedule needs to be worked out well in advance.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    In the discussion about the SL delay, something that I read and hear very often is "that sucks a lot for people who have taken time off" and things like that.
    Why does this matter A MONTH before the release date? Just cancel your time off and book it again as soon as we knew the new release date.

    I have worked in 5 different countries in europe, I had some very shitty jobs and some good ones and never ever was it a problem to just move your vacation (as long as the new date is not the school summer breaks). I have not even heard of people that had such an issue.

    I can understand that when you work in a shop that is very inflexible with working hours that changing shifts like a week ago could be a problem, but a whole MONTH?
    Bullshit.

    If you can easily move your leave less than a month before you were to take it, you've never worked in a time sensitive job where you weren't replaceable.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Delekii View Post
    Bullshit.

    If you can easily move your leave less than a month before you were to take it, you've never worked in a time sensitive job where you weren't replaceable.
    First of all: Everybody is replaceable at work.

    Second: You are INCREASING your availability for the next month! You are at work MORE, not LESS. You are not taking ADDITIONAL time off in the next month.

    The opposite I could totally understand. If Blizzard would say "Hei, we are releasing a week early", THEN I can understand a company saying "sorry, thats too spontaneous, you can not have off in that week. You can still cancel your requested time off tho and take it later in the future".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    If you work at basically any job that staffs to an forecasted demand level then your schedule needs to be worked out well in advance.

    What would such a job be for example? I am really trying to learn here, I honestly have no idea. I guess doctors / medics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceboytg View Post
    Other people are not you. Your experiences are not universal.

    If more people understood those two simple sentences this world would be a much better place.
    Thats why I am asking - to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easyclassictopkeklel View Post
    So, you worked a few jobs and now you think you know about every job on the planet?
    No? What makes you think that? I literally opened a thread because I DID NOT KNOW SOMETHING and wanted to learn. I asked a question. I realize that some people (including) might have felt that I wanted to offend you or be purposefully ignorant. If that is the case, I would like to apologize. That was not my intention.

    Before I started freelancing I was working in different jobs for 3 big german companies. And changing vacation plans only a few weeks prior was pretty much impossible. Especially if I would wanna change from the release date to lets say decembre would have been impossible, because those people who planned vacations over christmas/new years already blocked those days by then.
    So yeah, THAT I can understand. Like if you wanted to take off in October but now for whatever reason Blizzard moved to lets say the 17th of December of something like that. I can see how that would be a problem. However, even in that case CANCELLING should not be a problem. You still could not take off on the NEW release day, and I see why that would suck, but that is not the issue here, at least from what I understood. From what I understood people are upset because they burned their vacation for nothing, but if you just cancel you still have your vacation.

    Again, I understand that it might be hard or impossible to get time off at the NEW release date, but you still have your vacation days available for other dates.

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    DPK system for time off....thats got to be a pain
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  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    My coworker takes days off to go to watch football matches, don't see how me doing that for my hobby is looked down upon 0o
    I've seen idiots who memorized entire roosters in a sports league and even knows the names of everyone in management of the teams but they laugh if you know the lore or character names from your favorite series its stupid

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Paula Deen View Post
    Been seeing this echoed across the official forums, MMOC, and Wowhead. Let me put some perspective to this one.

    To start, I absolutely am okay with Blizzard choosing to delay Shadowlands, it was evident it was lacking some polish. Less straightforward is the reason for choosing October 1st, which some could argue shows they are still more focused on the Shareholder's than players. However, I am not here to give my opinion on either topic.

    I am posting because I have seen a variation of the thread title posted throughout the internet in response to people rather upset they cannot get days they scheduled off back. My career changed drastically a year ago into a field I never thought I would be in. This field schedules days off a full year in advanced. You bid based off seniority amongst your coworkers. You can also take individual days in the middle of a year if you have the PTO saved for them and the day has not been bid on.

    For Shadowlands I originally was quite lucky. The day after launch was a day off. However, I quickly went to bid on the following 3 days just to secure some extra time. I got one. I had to work hard to secure that day. I have the luxury of being in a position where my PTO is 14 hours granted per month that carries over per month.

    People like me have no issue with this schedule change. I can go schedule more days off to relax and do what helps keep me less stressed when the new date is announced. Someone who is much less privileged would not be so lucky. For some people to even be granted a single day off, even in the Western World, is extremely rare. And to have to fight hard for that day and have them change it, in some peoples' opinions, at the last minute, really sours their mood.

    TL;DR - Not everyone uses PTO for actual vacations. I use mine for errands and destressing. So instead of lambasting people for being upset they lost valuable time off work for the release, maybe, instead, you should focus looking at a bigger picture to their situation.

    Thanks.
    Since i also would not plan vacation (and never had) around a WoW release (and i play WoW since 15 years now), i have also no problems with delaying it for a higher quality release. but i can totally understand why other ppl do (planing vacation with WoW release).

    But what i really do not get, is what your thread or opinion is about ??? it is like you saying „i do things this way, other ppl do it another way“. ok. cool. and now ???

    do not get the sense of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faithbane View Post
    I've seen idiots who memorized entire roosters in a sports league and even knows the names of everyone in management of the teams but they laugh if you know the lore or character names from your favorite series its stupid
    yeah. so true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by facefist View Post
    I think you need to chill, you're taking this thread a bit too seriously
    i think this is true for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of ppl playing WoW and/or being active in this forum
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  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
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    What would such a job be for example? I am really trying to learn here, I honestly have no idea. I guess doctors / medics?
    From personal experience when I worked in a call centre vacations were planned at the start of the year. Same story for working in retail.

    Medical fields are similar my mum is a nurse and needs to book time off well in advance to make sure everything is covered.

    My dad was an accountant had more flexibility as long as there wasn't something that needed to be done on a certain day like a meeting or trip that had been scheduled already.

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    Most retail jobs don't allow time off requests during the holiday season. November and December are typically blackout dates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    From personal experience when I worked in a call centre vacations were planned at the start of the year. Same story for working in retail.

    Medical fields are similar my mum is a nurse and needs to book time off well in advance to make sure everything is covered.

    My dad was an accountant had more flexibility as long as there wasn't something that needed to be done on a certain day like a meeting or trip that had been scheduled already.
    If it had to be requested at the start of the year, then there is no issue. There was no release date when you had to request the pto, so you couldn't have requested it for SL's launch.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Krimzin View Post
    Every Job is different. Some require you to give notice months in advance, even more so if your position is in management.
    I get why people are annoyed. End of the day, there isn't anything anyone can do about it.
    Not happy? Cancel your Shadowlands preorder and try a new game.
    That is pretty much the limit of your recourse.
    This.
    16 pages, 300+ posts and some posters still can't grasp the simple concept that not every job functions the same as theirs.

    Personally I don't book leave for WOW launches because in my job, we book an entire years leave at once... meaning if you want leave at the start of the period, it's a minimum 6 months in advance, or 18 months in advance if you're booking leave for the end of the Period.

    Why is it done this way some of you might ask? Because of Scheduling. If we ran a "first come first serve" approach for leave, many of us would be sitting on huge leave balances due applications being declined during "prime" leave Periods... when the Company is at it's busiest.

    So, we run a yearly Ballot, with a rotating Priority list. If you work Christmas on 2 consecutive years (as an example), you're guaranteed the 3rd off... vice versa, if you get 2 off in a row, you're definitely working the 3rd. One year you might be top priority and get all the leave you request, so the next year you rotate to the bottom. If you don't take your full leave allocation, you can apply to defer some but in most cases will have it assigned so bet take what's available.

    Yes, we can apply for ad hoc leave (if we have some available) during with year, but that still requires 3 months notice to be approved by scheduling so they can ensure correct manpower levels before it goes to rostering.

    Again, I don't request Leave for WOW, partly because I never know the release date during the Ballot, but I do put in for day off and work line requests (2 months in advance) so I can be ready for the first raid Tier.

    Not everyone works 9-5 and gets to sleep in their own bed every night after a few hours of WOW levelling. WOW is a hobby, so while I don't use Leave entitlements for it, I don't want to miss the entire launch either because I got a bad roster.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Accendor View Post
    First of all: Everybody is replaceable at work.

    Second: You are INCREASING your availability for the next month! You are at work MORE, not LESS. You are not taking ADDITIONAL time off in the next month.

    The opposite I could totally understand. If Blizzard would say "Hei, we are releasing a week early", THEN I can understand a company saying "sorry, thats too spontaneous, you can not have off in that week. You can still cancel your requested time off tho and take it later in the future".
    Everybody is replaceable at work. Not everybody is easily replaceable at work with a month's notice.

    Similarly, the people with whom you have organised to be replaced have organised around that plan. The person who replaces me is now no longer filling their own role, and the person who is filling that role is now not filling their role.. and so on.

    I didn't take time off work because I could see an incoming shitshow, but if I had, it would be a NIGHTMARE to try to roll it back now. My role is quite specialised, and the number of people who could fill it isn't that big a list. Any of them that I had asked to replace me would have in turn been replaced in their own roles already.

    Rolling back leave isn't that simple for people who aren't a dime a dozen in their positions.

  19. #319
    just childs that dont work all the year

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    Quote Originally Posted by shonist View Post
    i was about to legit answer bc you have 7 years on the site. but this is clearly trolling.
    Did you read the OP or just misread the title?

    How are they trolling? They're in fact acknowledging trolling and speaking some reason to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shonist View Post
    just childs that dont work all the year
    Oh look you changed your quote, and now you're trollin. Odd dude. So odd.
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