Directly, it didn't have to. Indirectly, Blizzard writers seemed to gloss over N'zoth being built up knowing there's a bigger bad lurking behind that. The fight against N'zoth in 8.3 didn't feel that big. The only 3 big characters that seemed to give a shit about N'zoth were Magni, MOTHER, and Wrathion. The rest waved him off by telling us to quickly dismantle him so we focus on Sylvanas.
I mean we haven't seen another one in ages. They aren't the big bads. It's unknown what the Void Lords think they're doing because essentially they shot their load somehow into the universe hoping it would hit a sleeping titan. 4 of them did to our knowledge and all 4 were defeated ages ago. They all seem to have autonomy yet one would imagine the void would know there hasn't been a void titan. We also know it takes a while and Sargeras had been scouring the universe.
Unless there's a titan already out there, they aren't the big bads.
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I wouldn't crap my pants over the weakest of them just getting free now so why should most of us. Yogg was essentially free and Cthun was as well as both prisons were broken(Cthun got resealed by the WotSS) and Yogg had control of his jailers. Hell we just beat Nzoth's strongest weapon when he got free and even she could have been mopped up by Jaina and Malfurion(had he chosen to show up).
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Ummm yes....they're dead. Confirmed dead. I mean I guess Nzoth isn't confirmed dead, but the other 3 are. Yeah it sticks with old gods, so take your head canon to another thread....or just no threads.
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It's actually weird Ysharrj was the only one that had what seems like a body while the other 3 were just like a head with eyes and tentacles.
The Old Gods are not as powerful as Sargeras or the Titans, The Titans literally ripped one off of Azeroth..and its definitely supported by lore that they're parasites with their only purpose to infect a Titan World soul...as parasites do, Sargeras destroys planets where these parasites are to deeply rooted, he fears them succeeding in their plan so he wants to remove the possibility all together, by extinguishing worlds
They are 100% not responsible for all life on Azeroth, they're are responsible for the Curse of Flesh, which infected Titan creations making them mortal and weak. Everything you said was wrong there...lol
but I do agree that the Titans aren't "good guys" or really on our side we are a means to an end for them, but that's not the topic of discussion so I don't know why you started to ramble there. If you're going to claim something isn't supported by lore, please know the lore don't just talk out of your ass
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They always felt like nasty parasites to me. The mystery around them was destroyed in mop imo.
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This felt true for me as well. Most leaders r people who could help us were already at a differnt party. Nzoth was a big filler imo, 8.3 was a horrible patch.
We'd been killing them and their progeny for almost a decade when we learned "what" they were.
I think the notion that "they're the ultimate threat to everything" has never quite tracked with our experiences with them.
Which is to say, they've never been the big bads.
That's the whole thing though. N'Zoth knows he is the weakest of all the old gods on Azeroth. What set N'Zoth apart was that he didn't focus on strength or such like the other old gods. He focused on mind games, setting things up, etc. Him "dying" was very likely his whole plan as he knows he is still weak and in order to make us forget about him / powerful or whatever he wants us to believe he is dead and everything is done. We don't know if he had any plans set up or if he even died and it wasn't a vision. Magni comments that the whispers still exist but not as bad which could mean he is alive just retreating to give a false sense of hope. We know that N'zoth isn't afraid to create any illusion that makes us think something, heck he even used Wrathion at the start of the raid.
Didn't they already say all the others are still alive and recovering and the only way to kill an old god was to destroy its heart? Which is why Y'sharrj was still poisoning Panderia due to his heart being there which was finally destroyed in our battle against Garrosh allowing everything to heal. That's why they said Icecrown is still affect due to Yogg-Saron still being alive, just barely but he is recovering. Same with C'thun.
Be funny to find out that Azeroth is actually a sleeping first one (which is why her power literally erased an Old God so easily) and that's why the stone reacted to us in the Maw since we are Azeroth's champion and probably imbued with her powers / blessing and all the six forces are using her as a battery to produce an unending supply of anima via the reality bubble she creates while she slumbers.
Would explain all the titan tech used on the planet, all the controls in place. The facilities. Argus was a world soul planet yet has no evidence of any existing titan structures and I'm sure Sargeras would have been using those if they existed.
Would also explain why every cosmic force is present on Azeroth. Why Elune herself watches over the planet, though that is somewhat speculative as she is just the personification of the white lady, not said directly to be the literal representation of.
I could just be high but it's fun to think of.
Yeah, you are correct. Even the newest article says that cosmiclogically forces go back to their planes of creation. Demons to twisting nether, light to the light, void to void, etc.
But from an interview during Blizzcon -
Question: Can you confirm or deny whether the old gods are dead? We've got a lot of people who think that we've only fought manifestations, and their true forms lie dormant somewhere. Are we maybe going to see more of that?
Answering: Steve Danuser
Confirms that we've killed their forms, in the cases of Yogg'Saron and C'thun despite echoes of them still seeming to permeate the world.
"If you think about our cosmology and the way that creatures of magic work as opposed to mortals, mortals die they go to the Shadowlands. If you fought the Legion, you fought demons. If you kill them on Azeroth, where do they go? Back to the Twisting Nether, which is the place where they come from."
"So if you think about other magical creatures and think what happens when you kill them on Azeroth, where do they go? There's the potential for things like that to kind of happen. We try to have this cosmology of the way things work, and that's something that you can apply to other things. And I think the old gods are an interesting case where, you know, we've defeated one version of them and who knows if another manifestation will eventually take place."
I don't recall their confirming that they were still alive. I know they confirmed they were canonically defeated, but a lot of people interpreted "defeated" to mean "dead" when it clearly doesn't (e.g. SoO). They've also said we may not have seen the last of them. But this would be the first time that I've heard Blizzard has confirmed that they're still alive.
While it's decidedly a non-canon story, if you want an example of the Old Gods and their minions done right in the vein of WoW I can think of no better example than the Azjol-Nerub portion of the Travels Through Azeroth and Outland travelogue created by Destron. His description of an attack by a Faceless One within Ahn'kahet:
"Stone quivered beneath our feet, accompanied by thick, wet sounds somewhere between dripping water and tearing flesh. Aimless piping shrieked along, constant but without beat or rhythm, the song of a lunatic. A deathguard fell to his knees, gloved hands pressed to his temples as he rocked back and forth.
Vast and pale, a mass of flesh bulged up from the platform’s edge, the surface shimmering like water. A wide spine-like plate of segmented bone ran down the front, pressing against a beard of dripping tendrils, its piercing song played through suppurating holes all along the skin.
Guns blazed to life, bullets splashing into the faceless one, the ruptures reconnecting in an instant. More of its body slithered into sight, pulled to the side by the weight of a vast and soft right arm ending in a crude hand. A muscular tentacle hung from the left, mottled colors playing along the fluid skin. Frightened Forsaken opened another volley in response. The kneeling guard fell into a twitching heap."
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
So, he wants everyone to believe that he is dead, but... he keeps whispering to the person, who can tell everyone about it? Dunno if he is the weakest, but he certainly seems like the most retarded Old God on Azeroth.
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The one in SoO is the absolutely 100% dead one.
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Don't get your hopes up about the Old Gods. Blizzard are setting up the Nathrezim as the new "schemers" in WoW.
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"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead