Proof of Hunter and Joe Biden corruption emerges

[DingDongKing]

Tuski Gabbard is completely clean in a world where she peddles Project Veritas conspiracies and fraternises with dictators from Syria? Okay then...

[Breccia]

Judging by the amount of utterly wrong tools this thread has now attracted, and the fact they keep being fed so stick around to push this bullshit, I assume this is what the right wing is pushing the hardest right now?

I'm still wondering why people reading this story - in which someone asked to fix a laptop goes through what must be thousands of emails to somehow find these, turns them over to the FBI who does nothing, then gives it to Rudi Guiliani for some reason, who also does nothing until like two days ago -- believe it, but still think the Trump Tower meeting was nothing.

[PhaelixWW]

I'm still wondering why people reading this story - in which someone asked to fix a laptop goes through what must be thousands of emails to somehow find these, turns them over to the FBI who does nothing, then gives it to Rudi Guiliani for some reason, who also does nothing until like two days ago -- believe it, but still think the Trump Tower meeting was nothing.

That's the thing for me. The sheer number of ridiculous happenstances in this timeline are just overwhelming.

So Hunter Biden is supposed to just happen to have emails stored on this laptop.
Those emails just happen to supposedly incriminate him and/or his father.
He just happens to spill water on this laptop.
He just happens to decide to get it repaired by some random store, regardless of said supposedly-incriminating emails.
He just happens to go to some random store, thousands of miles away from where he lives, to get it fixed.
He just happens to then forget about said laptop, with said supposedly-incriminating emails.
The store owner just happens to be a Trump supporter.
The store owner just happens to decide to violate the privacy of the hard drive, rather than, you know, not.
The store owner just happens to stumble across said emails.
The store owner just happens to make a copy of the hard drive before giving it to the FBI.
The FBI just happens to not do anything about it.
The store owner just happens to wait until nearly a year later, less than a month before the election, to give those emails to Giuliani.

This whole thing reads like a badly written GoP fanfic. Nothing in any of this rings true.

[Gelannerai]

I'm still wondering why people reading this story - in which someone asked to fix a laptop goes through what must be thousands of emails to somehow find these, turns them over to the FBI who does nothing, then gives it to Rudi Guiliani for some reason, who also does nothing until like two days ago -- believe it, but still think the Trump Tower meeting was nothing.

It’s literally anything to justify living in the fantasy world that they’ve crafted for themselves. The democrats can’t possibly be right about anything ever, because that opens the door to the possibility that GOP supporters have been backing con artists and criminals that have done nothing but take advantage of their political party for decades.

[downnola]

Some text messages from the Hunter Biden hack by the Russians. I don't know if the GOP realises this, but showing Joe Biden as a comforting father...is a good thing. This is pretty much what the US Intelligence said. Legitimate stuff mixed with fabricated content.

Side note, as someone whose Dad is a total fucking chode, this is really hit me in the feels.

Exposing Biden as a loving father is a very strong campaign attack strategy. Democrats won't know what hit em.

[Breccia]

The FBI just happens to not do anything about it.

This is the part that needs explaining. If the story is to be believed, the FBI had the evidence and did nothing.

Either there was no crime, or Trump allowed the crime to go unpunished.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Exposing Biden as a loving father is a very strong campaign attack strategy. Democrats won't know what hit em.

There's a Princeton historian who noted that so far Republicans have called Biden Mr. Rogers and revealed he loves his struggling son. Next, he posited, they'll say he smells like warm chocolate chip cookies or something.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I firmly believe in "where there's smoke, there's fire". In a country of 328 million people it should be possible to find several who never had any sketchy dealings with foreign governments. In fact, Tulsi Gabbard is completely clean and yet the Dems shat on her.

I like to remain skeptical rather than blindly believing in conservative conspiracies that just HAPPEN to CONVENIENTLY show up less than a month before the election.

"Where there's smoke, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting around a smoke machine shitting their pants about losing the election."

[Gelannerai]

I like to remain skeptical rather than blindly believing in conservative conspiracies that just HAPPEN to CONVENIENTLY show up less than a month before the election.

"Where there's smoke, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting around a smoke machine shitting their pants about losing the election."

I really like how posters like the one you quoted claim the absolutely rational take that “where there’s smoke there’s fire,” all the while ignoring the continent-sized mushroom cloud of smoke that has obfuscated the Trump administration and anyone even remotely connected to it for the past four+ years.

[Zan15]

I'm still wondering why people reading this story - in which someone asked to fix a laptop goes through what must be thousands of emails to somehow find these, turns them over to the FBI who does nothing, then gives it to Rudi Guiliani for some reason, who also does nothing until like two days ago -- believe it, but still think the Trump Tower meeting was nothing.

but they want to charge twitter with interfering in the election.... LOL

[Wilfire]

I like to remain skeptical rather than blindly believing in conservative conspiracies that just HAPPEN to CONVENIENTLY show up less than a month before the election.

"Where there's smoke, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting around a smoke machine shitting their pants about losing the election."

How can I be a Republican conspiracy-theorist if I'm not even American? Not everyone who criticizes Biden is a Republican or even an American.

[draynay]

How can I be a Republican conspiracy-theorist if I'm not even American? Not everyone who criticizes Biden is a Republican or even an American.

Criticism is apart from desperately clinging to manufactured conspiracy theories. You're welcome to any reality-based criticisms.

[Zan15]

You can tell how desperate Trump supporters are to make this fake story a thing by how much they keep pushing it even after numerous holes have been poked in the story.

you are talking about a bunch of people that even after they stormed the pizza place and found no secret basement pedo-ring still believe the pizza place was the center of a huge pedo-ring....they think after 14 times, the 15th time will find the emails.....that birth certificates were faked when finally released .....and hell that the world is flat.

[melodramocracy]

Since when do republicans care about political favors and nepotism? You cast your vote for it in 2016.

[Adam Jensen]

That's the thing for me. The sheer number of ridiculous happenstances in this timeline are just overwhelming.

So Hunter Biden is supposed to just happen to have emails stored on this laptop.
Those emails just happen to supposedly incriminate him and/or his father.
He just happens to spill water on this laptop.
He just happens to decide to get it repaired by some random store, regardless of said supposedly-incriminating emails.
He just happens to go to some random store, thousands of miles away from where he lives, to get it fixed.
He just happens to then forget about said laptop, with said supposedly-incriminating emails.
The store owner just happens to be a Trump supporter.
The store owner just happens to decide to violate the privacy of the hard drive, rather than, you know, not.
The store owner just happens to stumble across said emails.
The store owner just happens to make a copy of the hard drive before giving it to the FBI.
The FBI just happens to not do anything about it.
The store owner just happens to wait until nearly a year later, less than a month before the election, to give those emails to Giuliani.

This whole thing reads like a badly written GoP fanfic. Nothing in any of this rings true.

And my favorite part?

Those emails just happen to have metadata proving they were created after the laptop was delivered to the repair shop.

[Felya]

How can I be a Republican conspiracy-theorist if I'm not even American? Not everyone who criticizes Biden is a Republican or even an American.

That doesn’t excuse it, it makes it worse.

[PhaelixWW]

That's the thing for me. The sheer number of ridiculous happenstances in this timeline are just overwhelming.

Just came across this fairly good write-up following the same skeptical thought-process I had in the above post.

The story goes that a person dropped off three MacBook Pros to a repair shop in Delaware in April of 2019, claiming they were water damaged and needed data recovery services. The owner of the repair shop “couldn’t positively identify the customer as Hunter Biden,” but the laptop had a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it.

On the laptops were, reportedly, many emails, including many pertaining to Hunter Biden’s dealings with Ukrainian gas company Burisma, which Trump has repeatedly alleged were a cover for providing access to Hunter’s father, who was then Vice President. (There is no evidence for this, and Joe Biden has denied all of this many times. Today the campaign specifically denied a meeting mentioned in one of the purported emails.)

In addition, the laptops were full of private emails and images, as well as personal videos that are incriminating of the younger Biden whose drug habit at the time has become public record.

The data was recovered, but somehow the client could not be contacted. The repair shop then apparently inspected the data, found it relevant to the national interest, and made a copy to give to Trump ally Rudy Giuliani before handing it over to the FBI. Giuliani, through former Trump strategist Steve Bannon, shared the data with the New York Post, which published the articles today.

There are so many problems with this story it is difficult to know where to begin.

1. The very idea that a laptop with a video of Hunter Biden smoking crack on it would be given to a random repair shop to recover is absurd. It is years since his drug use and Burisma dealings became a serious issue of international importance, and professionals would long since have taken custody of any relevant hardware or storage. It is beyond the worst operational security in the world to give an unencrypted device with confidential data on it to a third party. It is, however, very much a valid way for someone to make a device appear to be from a person or organization without providing any verification that it is so.

2. The repair shop supposedly could not identify Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, as the customer. But the invoice (for $85 — remarkably cheap for diagnosis, recovery, and backup of three damaged Macs) has “Hunter Biden” written right on it, with a phone number and one of the email addresses he reportedly used. It seems unlikely that Hunter Biden’s personal laptop — again, loaded with personal and confidential information, and possibly communications with the VP — would be given to a small repair shop (rather than an Apple Store or vetted dealer) and that shop would be given his personal details for contact. Political operators with large supporting organizations simply don’t do that — though someone else could have.

3. Even if they did, the idea that Biden or his assistant or whoever would not return to pick up the laptop or pay for the services is extremely suspicious. Again, these are supposedly the personal devices of someone who communicated regularly with the VP, and whose work had come under intense scrutiny long before they were dropped off. They would not be treated lightly or forgotten. On the other hand, someone who wanted this data to be inspected would do exactly this.

4. That the laptops themselves were open and unencrypted is ridiculous. The serial number of the laptop suggests it was a 2017 MacBook Pro, probably running Mojave. Every Mac running Lion or later has easily enabled built-in encryption. It would be unusual for anyone to provide a laptop for repair that had no password or protection whatsoever on its files, let alone a person like Hunter Biden — again, years into efforts to uncover personal data relating to his work in Ukraine. An actor who wanted this data to be discovered and read would leave it unencrypted.

5. That this information would be inspected by the repair shop at all is very suspect indeed. Recovery of an ostensibly damaged Mac would likely take the form of cloning the drive and checking its integrity against the original. There is no reason the files or apps themselves would need to be looked at in the course of the work in the first place. Some shops have software that checks file hashes, if they can see them, against a database of known child sex abuse material. And there have been notable breaches of trust where repair staff illicitly accessed the contents of a laptop to get personal data. But there’s really no legitimate reason for this business to inspect the contents of the devices they are working on, let alone share that information with anyone, let alone a partisan operative. The owner, and avid Trump supporter, gave an interview this morning giving inconsistent information on what had happened and suggested he investigated the laptops of his own volition and retained copies for personal protection.

6. The data itself is not convincing. The Post has published screenshots of emails instead of the full text with metadata — something you would want to do if you wanted to show they were authentic. For stories with potential political implications, it’s wise to verify.

7. Lastly, the fact that a copy was given to Giuliani and Bannon before being handed over to the FBI, and that it is all being published two weeks before the election, lends the whole thing a familiar stink — one you may remember from other pre-election shenanigans in 2016. The choice of the Post as the outlet for distribution is curious, as well; one need only to accidentally step on one in the subway to understand why.

As you can see, very little about the story accompanying this data makes any real sense as told. None of these major issues is addressed or really even raised in the Post stories. If, however, you were to permit yourself to speculate even slightly as to the origin of the data, the story starts to make a lot of sense.

Say, for example, that Hunter Biden’s iCloud account was hacked, something that has occurred to many celebrities and persons of political interest. This would give access not only to the emails purported to be shown in the Post article, but also personal images and video automatically backed up from the phone that took them. That data, however, would have to be “laundered” in order to have a plausible origin that did not involve hackers, whose alliance and intent would be trivial to deduce. Loaded on a laptop with an obvious political sticker on it, with no password, left at a demonstrably unscrupulous repair shop with Hunter Biden’s personal contact details, it would be trivial to tip confederates off to its existence and vulnerability.

That’s pure speculation, of course. But it aligns remarkably well with the original story, doesn’t it? It would be the duty of any newsroom with integrity to exclude some or all of these very distinct possibilities or to at least explain their importance. Then and only then can the substance of the supposed leak be considered at all.

[urasim]

This is the part that needs explaining. If the story is to be believed, the FBI had the evidence and did nothing.

Either there was no crime, or Trump allowed the crime to go unpunished.

The FBI is anti-Trump(because Trump is anti-establishment). The entire russia collusion scandal, fueled by the fake Steele dossier, was created by top democrats, and democrats used the FBI as a political tool. All of the government is corrupt. You need to understand that they don't want to actually go after their friends...

Ask yourself. Why are all of the people in high levels of office worth millions and millions of dollars when they don't do anything outside government work?

[PhaelixWW]

And my favorite part?

Those emails just happen to have metadata proving they were created after the laptop was delivered to the repair shop.

The metadata thing is a little bit of a non-starter, because it's not metadata on the email itself, but metadata on the pdf that was made from the email.

So it's suggesting that someone at the store made pdf copies of said emails about 5-6 months after the laptop was dropped off but a few months before the FBI supposedly confiscated the laptop.

[Xyonai]

Waaaah!! The means ol' internet mans won't let me lie on their platform!! Yous all being super mean and facist to meeee!! WAAAAH

If ya'll wanna get taken seriously as a political movement, the least you can do is make your lies more believable or, at the very least, not hitch your wagon to a petulant compulsive liar who lies about everything.