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  1. #21
    If you were a collector, Legion was the absolute worst expansion ever... causing extreme burn out doing WQs endlessly to get them Paragon Cache mounts.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Artifacts and the endless grind of AP spoiled the game so hard I quit. I wouldn't call that a high point.
    honestly I dont understand why people take the AP so personally! I did most of the things I liked in the game and it gave enough AP to grow my artifact, the only way it could be better was if it was all 3 artifacts instead of the one you are using. but people nag about "having to" grind artifact. but why? grinding artifact was like pouring watter on sands expecting it to get filled when you look at it with the perspective of "having to grind" but its much more enjoyable when you ignore it into the background and just do your game and enjoy when it levels up.

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    I still need farondis, dreamweavers and some of the armies of the light mounts. This summer have done like 20-30 caches from those three. I do a week alla of them and then burnout, couple of weeks after all of it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    If you were a collector, Legion was the absolute worst expansion ever... causing extreme burn out doing WQs endlessly to get them Paragon Cache mounts.
    and tbh thats more on the players behavior than the expansion itself. having EVERYTHING in the game will surely burn out even the most iron willed person, you cant expect to have everything without getting burned.

    even if it was easy then people would have finished it and then bitch about how the game is empty and there is nothing else to get and to do.

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    Not really. BC and WotLK were.

    However, Legion and MoP are on the very high end right after those two, and from the modern era. I liked Legion a lot, not as good as MoP all in all but it was certainly up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaL View Post
    and tbh thats more on the players behavior than the expansion itself. having EVERYTHING in the game will surely burn out even the most iron willed person, you cant expect to have everything without getting burned.

    even if it was easy then people would have finished it and then bitch about how the game is empty and there is nothing else to get and to do.
    I'd put blame on Blizzard themselves as well as they encourage this sort of compulsive behavior of players with these retention methods.
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    Looking back Legion might be my third favourite expansion behind TBC and WotLK.

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    I think Legion was the killing blow for the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I’d say it was one of the low points likely only behind wod.

    Space ships warping in and beaming down troops as if it was Star Trek.

    Ruining iconic weapons by reforming some
    Like frostmourn into stupid duel wielding swords or giving something like the ashbringer to cows.

    Just throwing those iconic wepons in the trash with no rhyme or reason.

    Characters like Sargeras just being space clouds.

    Idiotic story lines like odyn being willing to give a pillar of creation to the legion if the god king beats you.

    Class halls watering down race/class combos that should be hugely different from each other in the lore .

    The alliance and horde taking a back seat to said stupid class order halls.

    While legion was a bad expan like wod and had some highs it was defiantly on the lower end.
    This is all subjective and I disagree with most of it however I think this one is interesting,

    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Idiotic story lines like odyn being willing to give a pillar of creation to the legion if the god king beats you.
    Odyn's final challenge was himself and Odyn knew he could crush Skovald in single combat. He has to entertain him because Odyn is a titan creation and therefore aligned with "Order". He is a lawful being and in order to keep the obedience of his subjects (Valkyr, Valarjar, Vrykul) he follows the laws he has set forth for them, even if it means entertaining Skovald's delusions of power.

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    Leveling was terrible, so I couldn’t even get to the supposedly good stuff.

  11. #31
    I hated artifacts and I still do, one of the things I wish never existed.

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    Legion had awesome presentation for sure. It took a lot of what they learned from previous expansions and rolled it all into one. That said it kinda fell apart in the end once we got to Tomb and Argus. Overall it was a great expansion though. I don't know if I would call it the high point though. It was A high point but not the highest for me.

  13. #33
    Legion was by far the worst ever expansion for me atleast, it brought so many systems people seem to hate now, but not during legion. The diablo 3 metrics for me personally is an all time low, i’d take any expansion over that casino expansion. But to each their own. I have played since end if vanilla, never took a break. Cause i always loved the game one way or the other. But legion succeeded what no other expansion managed to do. Kill my love for WoW at the time. I just hope moving forward the game will be better for everyone.

    That said, nighthold was great, its up there as one of the best raid imo ! Aesthetically the expansion looked good. Class hall were okay. DH cool class i guess.

    Downsides:
    Titanforge(way to extreme during legion)
    Artifact(especially the leveling and iffspeccs
    Legiondaries.
    Overall raids were boring.
    Questing wasnt the best.
    Mage tower was underwhelming
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    I quit during Legion and played BFA for 1 week. Because I was trying to get legendaries, and guild mates got one random legendary and then they all got showered with 3 more legendaries and literally fucking won the raiding game. Blizzard didn't remove these legendaries, they didn't give legendaries to people who didn't had luck to abuse their broken system, fuck them.

    Back for Shadowlands for a month to level some alts in old content and will not be raiding, fuck blizzard.
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    I take Legion over any other expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaL View Post
    honestly I dont understand why people take the AP so personally! I did most of the things I liked in the game and it gave enough AP to grow my artifact, the only way it could be better was if it was all 3 artifacts instead of the one you are using. but people nag about "having to" grind artifact. but why? grinding artifact was like pouring watter on sands expecting it to get filled when you look at it with the perspective of "having to grind" but its much more enjoyable when you ignore it into the background and just do your game and enjoy when it levels up.
    So you're not allowed to enjoy your class to its fullest with all three specs? Throw in the Legendaries, and trying to put some time into alts, it got incredibly frustrating and burned me out more quickly than anything I've ever experienced in a game before. I didn't even want to enjoy all three specs, just be able to play at least two of them. Then we had situations like Frost Mage which were so massively undertuned you had to level up weapons for specs you didn't want to play.

    They're impossible mechanics to "just let happen", especially when you want to keep up with guildmates for raids and mythic dungeons; even moreso if you want to play with pugs who'll kick you at the drop of a hat.

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    Legion was GOAT except the argus patch which wasnt that bad but wasnt as great as the first half of legion

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    Wotlk was a different time in the game and wasn't designed for casual players. But if people are comparing timewalking Northrend in 9.0 to what wotlk was back in 3.0 and using that comparison to conclude that wotlk "wasn't all that" (because they didn't play back then to know what it was even like), that is apples and oranges different. You can't really compare them. A level 10 literally one shots medium sized mobs in Northrend in 9.0.

    So to start the difficulty now could not be more different to what it was. Talent trees are immensely simplified compared to 3.0. Raiding was a huge focus for wotlk with the most raids by far of any expansion, but you can't experience that in the same way now. The Argent Tourney was huge. You can go through the motions today and see the quest text, and the story if you do the zone storylines all the way through. But considering you can get to max level long before finishing an area now even that isn't going to happen in many cases now either. Compare the wotlk pre-launch event to any pre-launch event since and it makes them all seem fairly lame. Mechanically there have been a lot of improvements in the game over those 6 major updates as well that make the game feel smoother and more polished separate from content, such as the mini-cutscenes. But that's more about development and improvement of the base game over time, not so much comparing the content of one expansion to another.

    It's kind of like Classic Rock music. A person today might listen to a song that was a #1 hit 30 years ago and think it's lame compared to Post Malone's latest hit. It's context. And if you didn't live 30 years ago to know what it was like when it was new, you don't have the same appreciation I guess. In fact I'd say if you didn't experience that when it was new, having a subjective opinion on what it might have been like by listening to it now, and comparing that to something new that they have experienced and think is "cool", is a terrible comparison.

    TLDR don't confuse timewalking old expansions in 9.0 with what it was like to experience them new. You can see the quest content and get through them to get a feel for the stories. But you'd need to go over to Classic and wait until they get to wrath (and get all the way through it and all of it's raids) to really see what it was like and compare it to Legion if you didn't experience it in 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So you're not allowed to enjoy your class to its fullest with all three specs? Throw in the Legendaries, and trying to put some time into alts, it got incredibly frustrating and burned me out more quickly than anything I've ever experienced in a game before. I didn't even want to enjoy all three specs, just be able to play at least two of them. Then we had situations like Frost Mage which were so massively undertuned you had to level up weapons for specs you didn't want to play.

    They're impossible mechanics to "just let happen", especially when you want to keep up with guildmates for raids and mythic dungeons; even moreso if you want to play with pugs who'll kick you at the drop of a hat.
    read again, I said having the AP contributed to all your artifacts was the better thing to do.
    having raiding guilds who preasure you to have the best legendaries for each spec is more of a personal problem, I didnt have such guild and I will try my best to avoid such guilds unless we are talking about the world first race and specific top 10 guilds then I dont find any reason to be that good for a raid who is doing first mythic boss 2 months after release.

    I also didnt have any problem with PuGs and Im not the best equipped, player either but then again PUGS problem is expected regardless of the pack system and mechanism. I played mainly tank and did a decent job at keeping my other 2 specs in an acceptable level range. BUT yes, this shouldnt have happened AND they should have done a better job for off spec artifacts but overall most of the pack was amazing atleast for me and pretty much everyone I played with back in the day.

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    I would say 7.0 and 7.1 were the best wow was since bc. 7.2 was ok and i really liked 7.3

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