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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Why do people want this waste of dev time?

    Player housing is boring af and it'll never happen now that garrisons have already.
    I mean the garrisons were boring bc they replaced actual gameplay and make it redundant.

    Something where you can just buy cosmetics and decorate it as you want would be neat

  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Anyone else think that after we defeat the jailer and save the Shadowlands that it would be the perfect time to implement a player housing system? What better way to reward the saviors of all reality then to let them create their own covenant/afterlife?
    we already had garrisons and it was a fiasco housing will bring nothing to the game infact you can argue that the garrisons was a perfect implementation of housing yet it failed miserably

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    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    Blizzard's obsession with people idling in major cities is ridiculous. Let's look at games where housing exists, like FFXIV. Is 90% of the population sitting in their houses and avoiding the cities? No, of course not, the cities are as packed and overloaded as they ever were, including from players who own houses. Same for SWTOR. Same for every other game I've played that has housing.

    this is literally an excuse. They are probably well aware it won't have this dramatic impact they are claiming it will and people buy it because we take them for their word at everything else. I mean, like Ion said it, "you think you do, but you don't". Right? But I am digressing here.

    You are talking about Garrisons which are literally the polar opposite of housing.

    1. They are not customizable. No, I am not talking about which shitty little buildings you can place or how much you can upgrade them from 1 -> 2 -> 3. Can you make them racial themed? No. Can you customize the furniture inside the buildings? No. Can you even pick the characters that work in them? No, aside from your optional follower in the profession buildings. There was virtually nothing to customize in garrisons whatsoever. At best you can set up a few statues no one cares about, guild flags no one notices, or add to your archaeology collection. You can't set up your inn's furniture. You can't have anything other than 100% human or 100% orc garrison. There is more customization in glyphs on just about any given class than there was in customizing anything there.

    (By the way, if you think that the Garrisons had customization that was comparable to real housing in any remote way, then you've obviously never played any other MMORPG that had housing. Even the weakest and laziest forms had dramatically enhanced options of placing things to make your base, your house, your whatever feel like YOU and not a generic cutout fortress. Don't even try to pretend Garrisons had customization, lol.)

    2. They do not exist for socializing or 'owning home', they exist for doing chores. Need I really go further on this? I would hope it's obvious, but players want to decorate their homes, show them off, and maybe open up shops or roleplay in them, etc. They don't want to do arbitrary player power/resource gathering chores and literally nothing else. They didn't exist for players to customize and enjoy, they existed to push player power and resource gathering systems only.

    3. Even visiting other people's garrisons is only available if they invite you to their party and were in their own garrison, and not to mention there was nothing but their special visitors to interact with. Nothing to customize, nothing to interact with, hell you can't even use their mage tower portals and the like. Garrisons were an almost entirely solo endeavor.

    Frankly I am calling you out on having played UO. I'm skeptical you played the game for anything remotely similar to a 'long time' if you think Garrisons was a 'idea for playing housing' (lol). UO had tremendous housing customization options. Garrisons had literally nothing.

    But let's get real here. You're not here to talk about player housing so much as you are here to talk about how this feature isn't interesting to you and you feel it's incompatable with what you really wanted, necromancers.

    Frankly, I could make an entire new thread and then some just talking about that class, long before we even knew the expansion was going to be Shadowlands or that it would have literal necromancers that were not scourge aligned inside. None of that matters. They didn't add necromancers, and if they had added housing (or not) it would have had literally no impact on a new playable class.

    At this point, Blizzard probably thinks they can't add any more new classes to the game because they are worried they'll have to put in more work on them. I mean look at how bland and simplified Demon Hunters turned out--they obviously didn't want the class to require too much work so that they wouldn't have to put in much balancing it. I was hoping it was an isolated case, but as it is, there's a very good chance that demon hunters are going to be the very last new class in World of Warcraft. We definitely are never going to see Necromancers after Blizzard passed up on this perfect opportunity to add them.

    So I mean I get it. You didn't get the feature you wanted. Sorry to hear it. That doesn't mean you get to trash about ideas for adding other features just because they aren't the one you wanted. Likewise, you don't hear people going into class suggestion threads and them whining that adding a new class is going to take away from housing content, do you? If you genuinely hate housing, that's fine, but from all accounts that doesn't seem the case with you, and you are correlating things that have no relationship. A common thing for WoW, to be fair. Frankly, I don't think housing would negatively impact anyone, but if you want to argue that then at least do so directly.

    Well it doesn't matter anyways, because both housing and new classes are extremely likely to ever happen.

    you are wrong, lots of the things you say doesnt exist with garrisons is infact in the game currently, in the garrison

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    we already had garrisons and it was a fiasco housing will bring nothing to the game infact you can argue that the garrisons was a perfect implementation of housing yet it failed miserably
    Garrisons weren't even remotely close to being perfect implementations of housing. In ESO and Wildstar you can/could create robots/stautes/creatures/etc.. out of housing items garrisons you could drop shit into a slot and that was it.

  4. #324
    i think it would be the perfect time to take a gooood fking look at the game and see what the fk went wrong, but that aint happening :/ sadly

  5. #325
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    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    infact you can argue that the garrisons was a perfect implementation of housing yet it failed miserably
    You have a weird definition of "perfect"
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000 View Post
    Not really lmao, they don't even have a million active subs. They'll go free to play soon I'm sure.
    wanna show us these numbers, or are you just pulling them out of your ass in an attempt to look cool? cause its 100% the latter since they dont post active subs.

  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Garrisons weren't even remotely close to being perfect implementations of housing. In ESO and Wildstar you can/could create robots/stautes/creatures/etc.. out of housing items garrisons you could drop shit into a slot and that was it.
    just more shit to put into a socket in other words, we tried the garrisons and it was bad gameplay so why repeat the same mistake again remember we had your own farm slot where you could grow your own veggies etc in any way you wanted and it was a success right?

  8. #328
    This is how you get another 6 month delay.

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    No I don’t think so. A housing system created by Blizzard will be bad. The only way it will hold any value is if the most difficult content rewards the best houses. And if that happens, then all the entitled “casuals” will start crying that Mythic raiders have cooler houses.

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    So the customers opinions of the product doesn’t matter?
    NO because Blizzard made it, so they are the official arbiter of what it is. Blizzard said it was player housing. Player housing it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenophis View Post
    So when you go to a car dealer to buy an SUV and they sell you a school bus instead, you're going to be OK with it since the dealer calls it an SUV?
    WHo says I would be buying the school bus. Even if they call that an SUV, I am still free not to buy it. This is a terrible analogy.

  10. #330
    I'd rather the end of Shadowlands be the end of the faction war.

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by araine View Post
    just more shit to put into a socket in other words, we tried the garrisons and it was bad gameplay so why repeat the same mistake again remember we had your own farm slot where you could grow your own veggies etc in any way you wanted and it was a success right?
    Creating your own creations using bits and pieces you cobble together isn't remotely like putting shit in a socket. Raiding was bad gameplay for most players and they were considering removing it as it was basically a waste of resources for 90% of the player base(made up number) but they then came up with lfr which got millions of people doing raid content again. You seriously don't think Blizzard is looking at ESO selling 100$ homes like hotcakes and people spending millions on crowns to buy crown store housing items and are just going to let their version of housing die with garrisons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolenn View Post
    I'd rather the end of Shadowlands be the end of the faction war.
    So would I but thats never gonna happen.

  12. #332
    Player housing would be a waste of time. Ppl would barely utilize it. It would only be for RPers.

  13. #333
    It would just be the new goldshire basement. A bunch of RPers whackin it to some avatars.

  14. #334
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    I honestly think so personally, it will be like a "returning home" type of thing, since lorewise we are actually stuck in the SL, actually staking our claim somewhere would be nice! But I think more of a "Player keep" type thing will be more suitable...has more building opportunity than just a indoor space!

    But I also..don't know, I think WoW is to old to add it now. It really depends on how long they want to keep the game going

  15. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Sevarin View Post
    wanna show us these numbers, or are you just pulling them out of your ass in an attempt to look cool? cause its 100% the latter since they dont post active subs.
    https://mmo-population.com/activity
    Dunno however how Accurate that page is.

  16. #336
    we had and still have player housing from WoD needless to say it didnt work well

  17. #337
    I always thought it would be a great idea for Blizzard to legit make player houses. Similar to that of Runescape/Skyrim DLC/ESO

    Go out in the world and collect wood/stone/sand/etc and craft into objects needed
    It could even be a new secondary profession where you unlock better objects/rooms the higher you level the skill.

    For example, Collect some sand and a bucket of water to make some glass windows for your house(yes stealing this from MC)
    you first make a crafting table of course cause that's how it always goes!

    However, Don't make the leveling too quick like they did with Garrisons.

    More stuff that could be done

    Kitchen - Place for cooking your means that give some sort of buff or perhaps a storage unit for cooking supplies.
    Bedroom - When you sleep in your bed after logout(you receive a little more rested xp than normal city logout)
    Dueling Basement - Where you can host dueling matches as well as have target dummies
    Trophy room - Display your tier sets and transmogs and a poster with a selected achievement you've acomplished
    Garden - Herbing of course
    Game room - Something new to crafting that lets you play mini games while you wait for queues.
    Portal room - Port you to specific zones(3 max and require exalted rep with that zone) this would take a long time and be expensive to make however
    Storage room - Maybe have a secondary yet smaller bank for yourself

    and more..

    Wall Materials - Mud>Wood(Different tiers of better looking woods)>Stone(Same as woods)>Something awesome..idk

    you could add chairs and other furniture to your rooms and design the place how you wanted to and allow you to customize how your house was shaped

    You can select from different areas of where you'd like your house to be and there will be portals all over the world to take your to your house or a hearth for it like your garrison had.
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  18. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    NO because Blizzard made it, so they are the official arbiter of what it is. Blizzard said it was player housing. Player housing it was.
    And customers are not allowed to disagree with the assessment of the product?

  19. #339
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    And customers are not allowed to disagree with the assessment of the product?
    THey can disagree with it, but it doesn't matter. Blizzard said it was player housing. That is what it was. I mean, if you order a hamburger at McDonalds, you calling it a hot dog doesn't make it a hot dog. It's still a hamburger because that is what McDonalds said it was..

  20. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Garrisons weren't even remotely close to being perfect implementations of housing. In ESO and Wildstar you can/could create robots/stautes/creatures/etc.. out of housing items garrisons you could drop shit into a slot and that was it.
    Ngl this sounds pretty much like what garrisons did. Honestly the difference being that instead of building things like enchanting buildings and statues from your achievements, you would want to build robots and creatures instead lol. And somehow that makes garrisons not even close to what you think housing should be... dude wow just isn’t the game for it.

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