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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    You literally ignored everything I said, and only deflect deflect take side-roads to fuel ur forum obsession. The american dream was born in the european immigrant before he even got there to gain opportunity away from crowded europe, to be less restricted. Now, you come talking this stupid crap about some rich guy making it all up n conning everyone?..dude, be more entertaining if u want me to keep replying to such nonsense.
    I didn't ignore what you said. I pointed out it was baseless hokum. Which it was.

    The "American Dream" was never originally about selfish self-interest and becoming rich and wealthy, in its origins. It was about making the best life for yourself, and part of that included giving back to the nation that supported you. A "dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement", so to speak.

    When that got twisted into naked self-interest and "fuck you, I got mine" in the '80s and thereafter, yeah. That was propaganda delivered by the wealthy, to destroy what America had stood for and to replace it with a diseased new "dream". Literally the point, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I didn't ignoreThe "American Dream" was never originally about selfish self-interest and becoming rich and wealthy,
    You are describing just that below..

    It was about making the best life for yourself, better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement", so to speak.
    Didn't they scourge out the natives n have apartheid until the 60s?...

    American dream from start until now has always been about opportunity. Since ur american/canadian/whatever u were again, you don't understand the cohesion and shared destiny of nations so it seems difficult for you to grasp simple words I'm using to you...Nations are like relatives, you care and consider them close. All want opportunity but see stability of nation as part of their view of progress, what you are describing is totally different..."MY opportunity, MY ability, MY achievement" you can throw words around all you want, but when you only point to self n that the chips will magically fall where they may for others and YOUR contribution instead of OUR...ok. I'll stop right here, since this has bored me enough already. Talking to americans is like describing colors to a blind man...he'll talk endlessly to have someone to talk to, I feel this is all very sad. The american dream was just a short-term investment desire n like all short things will end, the dream, the country, all of it.

    Usa doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell vs China this century...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    You are describing just that below..



    Didn't they scourge out the natives n have apartheid until the 60s?...

    American dream from start until now has always been about opportunity.
    Don't move goalposts unless you're going to admit your earlier position, that it was about naked selfishness at the cost of everyone else, was wrong.

    Since ur american/canadian/whatever u were again, you don't understand the cohesion and shared destiny of nations so it seems difficult for you to grasp simple words I'm using to you...Nations are like relatives, you care and consider them close. All want opportunity but see stability of nation as part of their view of progress, what you are describing is totally different..."MY opportunity, MY ability, MY achievement" you can throw words around all you want, but when you only point to self n that the chips will magically fall where they may for others and YOUR contribution instead of OUR...ok. I'll stop right here, since this has bored me enough already. Talking to americans is like describing colors to a blind man...he'll talk endlessly to have someone to talk to, I feel this is all very sad. The american dream was just a short-term investment desire n like all short things will end, the dream, the country, all of it.

    Usa doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell vs China this century...
    I included a quote in my post for a reason.

    That you apparently don't recognize that quote demonstrates that you really don't understand what you're talking about. I included that quote for a reason, y'know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post

    Usa doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell vs China this century...
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    All want opportunity but see stability of nation as part of their view of progress, what you are describing is totally different..."MY opportunity, MY ability, MY achievement" you can throw words around all you want, but when you only point to self n that the chips will magically fall where they may for others and YOUR contribution instead of OUR...ok.
    In other word... you didn’t build that?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn't_build_that
    ”You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. In the speech, Obama stated, "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that." The sentence "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" was publicized by his political opponents during the 2012 presidential campaign, as an attack by Obama on business and entrepreneurs.
    For example... all the bankrupt property and failed deals Trump takes credit for... he didn’t build that... we did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?
    really improper? got proof?

    i mean at the same time you ignore the fact that donald has a secret china bank account he never disclosed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?
    Funny, because you have no proof of what you just said, but we have AMPLE PROOF that Trump is owned by China. Biden has released 22 years of tax returns, and Trump hasn't released anything, but we found out about an account he has hidden that has 10s of millions in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    oppose people who are pro-America
    And who might that be?
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?
    I wish the democrats where anti-America.
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    There’s always a lot of talk of a general strike on the left. But it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Just your typical neo-liberal horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    I wish the democrats where anti-America.
    This is why tankies will always fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?
    It sounds like your not well versed in American history.
    Who do you imagine is pro-America, or for that matter anti-America?

    Funny how you ignore Trump's little Chinese bank account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsc92 View Post
    Well yea, half the country will vote for Joe Biden who it has now been revealed has improper ties to the Chinese Government who saw their investment in the Biden family as one that will yield returns in influence, not currency.
    Yet, during the debates, Trump literally said that everyone does business in China. We have 22 years of Biden’s tax records, he isn’t hiding any documentation or records. Biden is transparent, which should lead you to see his records. Including his schedule as a VP, showing he couldn’t have done the asserted... it was impossible... while a California resident, dropping off a P.C. in Delaware is strange... saying Joe Biden was at a meeting of any sort, is demonstrably a lie.

    This is why the new bullshit is China... the Ukraine shit fell on its face? Where is the computer?

    I find it interesting that Leftists appeal to this anti-China sentiment when they support people who are pro-China and oppose people who are pro-America. Kind of silly, no?
    Trump is refusing funds to some of the largest federal contributing states in the country, while Joe is for all Americans. Joe gave you policy, Trump gave you conspiracy theory. Joe admitted his mistakes, Trump takes no responsibility. Trump’s inauguration answer, was a rant about him self... Biden was about America...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It sounds like your not well versed in American history.
    Who do you imagine is pro-America, or for that matter anti-America?

    Funny how you ignore Trump's little Chinese bank account.
    Trump said that the reason all Americans are not getting support, is because he doesn’t want to help all Americans. He wants to only help red states... because Trump hates America, but loves him self.
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    I cant get over whatever is happening with McConnell right now. Is he like a Dune superfan, cosplaying as a mentat for House Harkonnen?




    Feel like the Baron is going to pull his heart plug any moment now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I cant get over whatever is happening with McConnell right now. Is he like a Dune superfan, cosplaying as a mentat for House Harkonnen?


    [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElAhbJ2XUAAq72v?format=jpg&name=small[/I]

    Feel like the Baron is going to pull his heart plug any moment now...
    God, does he have leprosy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    This is why tankies will always fail.
    I, too, love supporting US imperialism.


    You truly have no idea what tankies are. The right trying to use left-wing defintions is always so funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    There’s always a lot of talk of a general strike on the left. But it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Just your typical neo-liberal horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I cant get over whatever is happening with McConnell right now. Is he like a Dune superfan, cosplaying as a mentat for House Harkonnen?




    Feel like the Baron is going to pull his heart plug any moment now...
    Something is definitely wrong with him. His face is getting worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    And who might that be?
    Rascists, fascists, white supremacists, and right wing terrorist militias, I suppose.

    Those are the groups that continually drum beat their supposed pro-America stance anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    I, too, love supporting US imperialism.

    You truly have no idea what tankies are. The right trying to use left-wing defintions is always so funny.
    Yeah, running people that are anti the country they are running in, is sound logic for success. Fascists can only dream of such opponents... Trump wouldn’t have to waste all this time claiming they were. Your ideas are a fucking god send to fascist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Something is definitely wrong with him. His face is getting worse.
    I googled what could cause his hands to be like that and it has something to do with poor oxygen levels in blood.

    It has several causes. In his case because of his age I’m going to assume it’s heart issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    I googled what could cause his hands to be like that and it has something to do with poor oxygen levels in blood.

    It has several causes. In his case because of his age I’m going to assume it’s heart issues.
    Wow - if he has underlying heart conditions severe enough to show obvious symptoms, no wonder he's been avoiding the White House like a...plague.

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