McConnell the Father of Poverty; US Poor Grows by 6 Million

[Felya]

The US being good at imperialism is not a function of the Electoral College.

You cannot be a progressive and a nationalist. Sorry hun, that's just fascism.

Watch me...

[Felya]

What the actual fuck? How you got that from what I wrote says a lot more about you then it does me.

Can you please find an independent party and ask them who they think said this:

The Electoral College help make the United States for all of it's faults and it's progress. Seems like despite it's struggles we are far better off then others. We even overtook many Countries and governments who've been at this for longer.

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Why you always propose questions that have nothing to do with what I said is beyond me. No I am not answering your rhetorical bullshit, because I don't even know why you are asking it. It has nothing to do with what I have said.

It’s not rhetorical... A faithless elector is an actual thing. Collin Powell got an electoral vote as a result in WA in 2016, without even being on the ballot. You will not answer, not because it’s rhetorical... but, because I am right... deal with it.

[Felya]

Find an independent party who said exactly what I said, What? Are you high? Can you actually ask a question without something trivial being thrown in?

Here is what I actually said:

Can you please find an independent party and ask them who they think said this:

Projecting?

How exactly is the function of the electoral votes, trivial to the electoral college? If it’s trivial, just answer and show me to be totally off base... do it... it’s easy... I’m flaunting it... shove it in my face... get to the chopper!!!

Something like, "Why do you think the Electoral College lead to America being this way", Or "Why don't you think the President should be voted on by Popular vote?"

I know you can make up things I could ask... not sure why you need to prove that... /shrug

Those I might be able to give you an answer.

Yes, I am sure, you can talk to your self. I am sure you win those arguments every time, because you are beholden to no party. It’s hard to be as clever as you... I’m in awe of your argument, but never as much as you are.

The electoral college is what lead to America current situations both good and bad. It has been our form of government it's entire history, minus when we tried the libertarian thing and it crashed and burned after 10 years. If we had a pure democracy there is little doubt in my mind it would have survived this long.

You can keep repeating it... it makes no more or less true... ignoring people, is also not something that I needed you to prove you can do.

Again, that has nothing to do with what I said. To my knowledge a faithless elector has never changed the outcome of a National Election. It's less common then in-person voter fraud.

Own me by defining it... so it... post what you think a faithless elector is... destroy my pitiful self... bring it!!!

Next Day Edit: Liars and crooks...

[Healing Rain]

Pelosi is the one who is preventing a deal from being reached. She seriously needs to be removed from Congress. She's been there way too long and it's corrupted her beyond redemption.

[Felya]

Pelosi is the one who is preventing a deal from being reached. She seriously needs to be removed from Congress. She's been there way too long and it's corrupted her beyond redemption.

It’s another progressive...

[Blur4stuff]

As far as I can tell, Pelosi would like for a deal to get passed because she actually gives a shit. Even if you want to believe she's playing politics, stopping the deal doesn't help dems two weeks from an elections. People have already made up their minds.

Trump would like to pass something because he thinks it will get him votes. It wouldn't, but I'm sure he thinks that. McConnell is the real problem. He sees Trump as a loser and would rather block everything to set up a line of attack for 2021.

If you're a Trump supporter and want a stimulus to pass then you shouldn't be blaming Pelosi. Keep your blind hatred for her if you must, but pinning this on her accomplishes nothing.

[beanman12345]

As far as I can tell, Pelosi would like for a deal to get passed because she actually gives a shit. Even if you want to believe she's playing politics, stopping the deal doesn't help dems two weeks from an elections. People have already made up their minds.

Trump would like to pass something because he thinks it will get him votes. It wouldn't, but I'm sure he thinks that. McConnell is the real problem. He sees Trump as a loser and would rather block everything to set up a line of attack for 2021.

If you're a Trump supporter and want a stimulus to pass then you shouldn't be blaming Pelosi. Keep your blind hatred for her if you must, but pinning this on her accomplishes nothing.

I agree.

Moscow Bitch is playing the long game. He knows he's likely gonna lose the senate majority, but like they did with Obama, they'll put the entire Trump's destruction of the economy on Biden, scratch that, all problems on Biden that were Trump's fault. And while he knows he's likely to lose the majority, it won't be a big majority, and in 2022, a lot more dem's are up for re-election then pub's, thinking he's hedging his bets he can retake the majority again and shore up his power base by cutting the weak links, like collin's. All the while, more and more American's suffer.

[Poopymonster]

How is aid in the USA exhausted ?

A country that spends $934 billion dollars on it military in a year, out side of a world war can hardly be "out of aid" if the UK can afford to pay %80 of workers wages for half a year to protect jobs during lockdown and after lockdown only scaling down to 60% this month with brexit looming and having splashed out on two brand new aircraft carriers as well as all our other debts and payments left over from century's ago then im sure the USA can find a few quid laying about for there own people, whats the point in "america first" if you put so many of them into poverty ?

Its bigger belive sometimes with the USA, the richest nation on the planet, the richest nation thats ever existed on the planet, they very idea that in such a nation there can be even the concept of poverty,let alone the absolute ebaressing state some of the US city's are is just beyond belife, and its self inflicted flagilation, implementing socialised medicine and opening up higher education will get more people into better jobs and out of poverty boosting the economy and increasing tax revenue

That's just it. It's proven how bad things are run here in the US. The "richest country" in the world CAN afford all that, and more. They just choose not to.

[JohnBrown1917]

Its rather funny how naive people can get to actually believe any politicion, who is backed by big bussiness, to actually care about the poor.

[Monster Hunter]

That's just it. It's proven how bad things are run here in the US. The "richest country" in the world CAN afford all that, and more. They just choose not to.

The sickening irony is that the American people have bought into this woerd idea that America can't afford free health care, retirement, income security and wrote off its national debt tomorrow, but at the upper estimates america spent the cost of all that and sum just on the 2009 bailouts and still had plenty of cash to spare.

https://eand.co/how-much-money-does-...e-aa0244709032

America, the nation that can put a man on the moon but can't give every one a job....fucking wierd.

[Krakan]

Its rather funny how naive people can get to actually believe any politicion, who is backed by big bussiness, to actually care about the poor.

Well when you honestly believe the government should be providing your meals for you rather then basic infrastructure it isn't all that surprising.

I am always baffled when those who talk about globalism and open borders balk at low wages and poverty.

Just what is it they thought they supported? A magic utopia were unskilled extremely replaceable workers who would fight each other for minimum wage would suddenly all become middle class?

It's always confounded me how people can vote against their own interest just by waving a bit of idealism in front of them and how blind they are to the consequences of that.

[Felya]

Well when you honestly believe the government should be providing your meals for you rather then basic infrastructure it isn't all that surprising.

This is funny... it’s like arguing we need more prisons, to help the poor.

[JohnBrown1917]

Well when you honestly believe the government should be providing your meals for you rather then basic infrastructure it isn't all that surprising.

I am always baffled when those who talk about globalism and open borders balk at low wages and poverty.

Just what is it they thought they supported? A magic utopia were unskilled extremely replaceable workers who would fight each other for minimum wage would suddenly all become middle class?

It's always confounded me how people can vote against their own interest just by waving a bit of idealism in front of them and how blind they are to the consequences of that.

Your, even further right-wing, bullshit will only increase the wealth gaps even further than any liberal policy. Its obvious your either rich or your doing the same shit that you accuse liberals of doing.

[Krakan]

This is funny... it’s like arguing we need more prisons, to help the poor.

It would be a step in the right direction. Removing the most negative and destructive elements from any community aids it.
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[Krakan]

Your, even further right-wing, bullshit will only increase the wealth gaps even further than any liberal policy. Its obvious your either rich or your doing the same shit that you accuse liberals of doing.

I am able to view disparity I just don't believe constantly adding to the working poor via immigration is helping them with negotiating better living conditions.

It's more a here and now approach compared to a grand over arching will never be accomplished in our life time goal like ending world hunger.

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So, the way I read this, you've just labelled all poor people as "the most negative and destructive elements" of any given community. Neat.

Well yes?

I mean I feel bad for those born into it but are we debating that the destitute are likely living in the worst communities?

Hardly seems a productive area of debate unless you think middle class hipsters have it worse. They claim to at least.

[unfilteredJW]

It would be a step in the right direction. Removing the most negative and destructive elements from any community aids it.

Treat the symptoms and not the illness.

You continue to show why no one needs to take you seriously.

[Krakan]

Treat the symptoms and not the illness.

You continue to show why no one needs to take you seriously.

Treat something rather then moan incessantly about the rich and nothing changes is more appropriate.

[JohnBrown1917]

Treat the symptoms and not the illness.

You continue to show why no one needs to take you seriously.

These type of ideas belong to a certain idealogy, can't name to risk an infraction, but you get the idea. Far right solutions to poverity are always some of the most horrible shit you hear about in history.

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Treat something rather then moan incessantly about the rich and nothing changes is more appropriate.

Yeah, the rich having far more resources than they need while millions starve is somehow not the problem.

[Krakan]

These type of ideas belong to a certain idealogy, can't name to risk an infraction, but you get the idea. Far right solutions to poverity are always some of the most horrible shit you hear about in history.

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Yeah, the rich having far more resources than they need while millions starve is somehow not the problem.

It is but I don't know if it is something that can be practically accomplished. How do you trap the rich into paying for everything when they are the most moblie of any class and can simply leave?

[Howel]

Treat something rather then moan incessantly about the rich and nothing changes is more appropriate.

Uhm... Not sure you're aware, but prison population, in the US, has increased massively over the last 3 decades. And it hasn't exactly had brilliant implications on the poor neighborhoods.